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Student Posts: 546 ![]() ![]() Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Hello everyone, Sex. Through sex life as we know it, human life, physically, emotionally, intellectually, metaphysically, and spiritually on planet earth is created. Biologically and organically sex takes two, one male and one female; one egg cell from one woman, and one sperm cell from one man. Sex dose not exist except between a man and a woman. Its not "sex" if it dosen't. The union of one sperm cell and one egg cell begins the process of the creation known as a "baby" and that process is sacred and unique to one man and one woman. Its the reproduction of the life principle and that is "sacred." It cannot be done without "sex" as it is known and defined here. Thats why the union known as marriage is known as "sacred" between the TWO. (Given all things being balanced and normal with love.) Now this is obvious as a process in a universe where A = A. Its mysteriously not obvious in a universe where A = (not A). Just an observation. Peace is within, Absolute Sovereigncy (Robert) Edited by Absolute Sovereigncy 7/3/2009 8:17 PM | ||
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PhD Alumni Posts: 1882 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: NE Ohio | Sex can happen without reproduction, and does all the time. However, in nature, in order to pro-create, yes, one male and one female for everything on the planet. I guess it's sacred, because it stops others from killing another, for taking something they thought was theres. I mean, do you want your other half being sexed, because some random person could? The union is love.... love is in two's.... but... I understand how it could be more than two, but now we are talking child support. LOL XD No seriously.... It's sacred, because we want it to be. It's beautiful and meaningful that way. I hear in the spirit realm, it's much different. Making love is like swirling around each other and it's done all the time. There is no jealously..... I read that in the book "Journey of Souls" by Micheal Newton. A physiotherapist that studied life between lives. The book fascinated me. It also described in perfect detail something I witnessed for myself. A beautiful moment, that was described by someone else, which made me realize that I wasn't halucinating. It was real and other experienced the same thing.... I for one, believe it to be so. Maybe I choose to believe it... either way, I like my reality... yeah, I will keep it. *wink* Good question though.... We may never really know. | ||
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Student Posts: 546 ![]() ![]() Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Hi Jill, I should haved mentioned this for me is for living on earth. Reproduction on a galactictic scale makes for a lot of spiraling motion, but its still a sexed phenomenon. Always male and female. And who says were not the cause of it? When living in a sensed body unalieanable rights kicks into the process. Or you can call it boundries. Its known. We may pretend not to know but we actually do. Peace all through the swirling sexed electric cosmos, Absolute Sovereincy (Robert) Edited by Absolute Sovereigncy 7/4/2009 12:16 AM | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 1938 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | Dear Friends – here are a few of my reflections on the the theme of the eternal dance of the masculine and the feminine: We all contain many puzzling dualities and polarities and our world is one of paradoxes. Some of these we shall explore in more detail later in this part of the jottings, others in future editions. For the moment, let us either become aware of or remind ourselves – you alone know which option applies to you – that we all contain feminine and masculine energies. This is because as sparks of the Divine everything that is in God is also in us; therefore, each one of is us both woman and man at the same time. For a very long time we have looked towards others to make us whole, but it is coming ever clearer that each one of us is already complete within themselves and that, in fact, we are on our way back into androgyny. To be whole and holy again is every soul’s final goal and destiny. This requires taking possession of our other part, the inner man in women and the inner woman in men. When that has been achieved we shall once again be like the Angels and God; their feminine and masculine energies are in perfect balance and harmony with each other. Like them, we too are first and foremost spirit; the only difference between them and us is that we are temporarily encased in matter. Thus on the one hand, we belong to the world of matter and on the other one we are part of the world of spirit and light. For as long as we remain clothed in our physical bodies we belong to the Earth plane. However, this is only half the story; the most vital part of us is our spirit and soul and our true home is the world of spirit. Each time we leave one of our earthly garments behind, we return to this world to rest and recover from the stresses and strains of Earth life. With love and light, Edited by Aquarius 7/4/2009 7:30 AM | ||
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Student Posts: 263 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Queensland Australia | one seeks oneness - two seek wholeness - can seeking manifest into a trap of desire? should we create ideals to enable us to accept? or do we just accept because its our nature as sons and daughters of earth to live in peace with law? | ||
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Student Posts: 546 ![]() ![]() Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | One is not more important than the two and the two is not more important than the one. One divides into the two, and the two unite as the one; its an eternal process. The one does not exist without the two and the two does not exist without the one. Simplified of course. | ||
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Student Posts: 546 ![]() ![]() Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Hi Aquarius, No offense intended but I do not subscribe to the idea of androgyny. For me my feminine side is my wife. I'm clear on that physically, emotionally, metaphysically, mentally, and spiritually. For me the universe is doing it as the two on all levels. The potential of one is two, and the potential of two is one. A process. The one is as important as the two, and the two is as important as the one. Neither exist without the other. Peace, Absolute Soverigncy (Robert) | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 1938 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | Dear Robert – it is your privilege to perceive it that way, but I hope you don’t mind too much that I share some of my insights into this matter with you here, too: As the way we handle our sexuality and the energies involved is one of the most delicate issues, in my view it deserves a closer examination. Human sexuality is part of God’s pure creative/spiritual energy and all sexual activities are making use of something extremely valuable and precious. It therefore demands and deserves to be handled by us wisely and with the greatest care and respect. Created in the image of God, both genders contain in equal measure the masculine as well as feminine energies of their Divine Father/Mother. While the masculine works from the subconscious in women, the feminine does the same in men. Love making between souls who are aware of this and that they are as much part of God as God is part of them needs to develop into an act of worshipful devotion to the creative forces of the Universe that are alive in them. It is a living sacrifice on the altar of the God of love in which the partners offer themselves and a large part of their lives to this God and each other. Such souls have cleansed their consciousness of the need for power struggles and for clinging on to each other and their loved ones. They realise that no power between Heaven and Earth can ever destroy a loving bond that two people have created between them in the course of many lifetimes. Knowing that the promise that love is forever is not an empty one, when for one of them the time comes for parting from this plane, letting go of each other creates no unnecessary suffering and problems for the one left behind. When two lovers of this calibre join forces, each in full appreciation of their own wholeness and that of the other, they no longer seek to be made whole in this process, because they know that they already are. What they are seeking is the experience of merging and blending their inner and outer God and Goddess energies. Their wish is that through them and their oneness, in their role as co-creators with God, a vehicle for a third soul may be created – not by them, but by God. They hope that the new physical body will be a strong and healthy one, so that it can be used successfully by someone who is ready in the world of spirit for another lifetime on the Earth plane. Such souls are always waiting to be allowed the privilege of re-entry into another lifetime’s experiences on the material level of life and our lovers hope that one of them may be destined to come through their union. Although even in this act each remains an individual in its own right, on this occasion they are functioning as one and in full consciousness of their true role as Earth God and Goddess. Aware that they are merely acting as channels and vessels for the sacred creative Universal forces to work through, they take part in the sacred act of creation with love for each other and for God, with true humility and reverence for the Great Father/Mother of all life, and also for the life they are hoping will be given through them. From ‘New Hope for Childless Couples or how to become a Miracle Co-worker’ With love and light, | ||
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Student Posts: 546 ![]() ![]() Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Dear Aquarious, Your preaching to the choir. Androgyny has no history on this earth as we know it. I percieve sexuality as universal. It is the holiest principle in the universe. And sexuality on the highest order is always the interchanging of woman and man. These are the distinctions that cannot be blurred. Or there is no sex division and there is no creation of the body or in the hightest of ecstasy, idea. I perceive it differently, Thank you for sharing, Peace, Absolute Sovereigncy (Robert) Edited by Absolute Sovereigncy 7/5/2009 10:48 PM | ||
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Student Posts: 263 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Queensland Australia | ask your breathe & follow your nose - which way does the wind blow? both ways or just one? all the while i'll dance with the sun. G'day robert - iv'e just got up - i dreamt mostly all morning - wonderful mind enchanting dreams of fantisea Edited by Zen&AlxM. 7/5/2009 11:26 PM | ||
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Student Posts: 263 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Queensland Australia | ;')I couldnt help but notice you online you aswell super-gall naturally taming hellsbells:') If you've ever felt cold and alone hurting inside that was me there too weeping side by side - if you've ever felt angry confused and hurt that was me there too shareing despair - if you've ever felt like soaring threw the sky i aswell watched you fly - when you are questioning yourself and wondering why i am too not knowing why - our heads still in the sky - with a look in my eyes you will see who i am? i am you and we have hearts eternally meant to fly forever past the skies into this infinity with open eyes. i think this thread has brought out the romantic - hmm - uno what they say about critic's? they are romantic's turned sour ;( we will see how i am feeling in an hour ahaha ;') Edited by Zen&AlxM. 7/5/2009 11:56 PM | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 1938 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | Thank you, dear Robert, for sharing your views with us here. With some of them YOU are preaching to the choir, as far as I am concerned. With others I just don’t agree. So, let’s agree to disagree and hopefully we can remain - or rather become - friends, nonetheless. With love – Aquarius | ||
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Student Posts: 546 ![]() ![]() Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Am I (?) Or is it I am. You are very politcally correct. Sure would like to here that history though Aquarius. Peace is within, Absolute Sovereigncy (Robert) | ||
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Student Posts: 546 ![]() ![]() Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | P.S. "New" knowledge is just plain hard to integrate sometimes, especially if it touches "sacred" cows. | ||
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Student Posts: 546 ![]() ![]() Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | P.P.S. I'm just "sensitive" to situations where people try to frame into a "future" that is mispremised and is never going to happen because it dosen't exist in reality, only in a fantasy. My mother used to do that all the time. Not any more. Peace, Absolute Sovereigncy (Robert) | ||
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Student Posts: 546 ![]() ![]() Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | "Considerately killing me" Thats good. | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 1938 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | Dear Robert – I don’t know about being politically correct. It’s just the way I perceive the matter or maybe rather the way my Highest Self and inner teacher is showing it to me. Be that as it may, I appreciate the courage it must have taken for you to make the two statements in response to my posting. The following is an edited version of it. If you take the time to read it, you will see that to further clarify matters, many new insights have flown into it. God bless and peace be with you, always. 'Created in the image of God, both genders contain in equal measure the masculine as well as feminine energies of their Divine Father/Mother. Yes, we are part of God and God is part of us. In a sense, therefore, we ourselves are the ones who are the creators of all that is. Yet, we do well to always remember that this does not alter the fact that nothing happens and no new creation of anything, on the Earth plane or anywhere else in the whole of the Universe, ever takes place without the help, the will and the consent of God and the Angels. Let us never overlook that the final decision whether new life is created on any of its levels, and removed again from its present plane when it has served the purpose it was designed for, rests with the Great Father/Mother of all life, the Universal God and Goddess. New physical bodies to roam the Earth, human or otherwise, are no exception. 'One of the most important features of us and our world is that we all contain many puzzling dualities and polarities and that our world is one of paradoxes. Discovering, exploring and learning to live with them is probably the most vital part of our role as pioneers of a New Age. A great many experiences are waiting for us that have never been tried before on the earthly plane. One of them is androgyny. Although this is a state we never lost on the inner spiritual levels of life, on its outer earthly plane the taking possession of our sleeping inner partner and integrating this part of ourselves presents each one of us with many new experiences and challenges of a very different kind to those that had to be tackled in the past. 'To unravel the mystery of God’s nature and our own, it is necessary to come to terms with the fact that our God is one of duality and that life on the Earth plane is a reflection and an outer physical manifestation of everything that is in God – and therefore also in us. The masculine aspect of the Divine is the power of the Father; its counterpart is the love and wisdom of the Mother. As above, so below; in human beings of both genders this manifests itself as the masculine aspect being conscious in men and working from the subconscious in women, and vice versa. 'The lovemaking of souls who are aware of all this and whose wish it is that a child should be born through them, needs to follow the example of the Master Jesus when he told us in St. John 14:10-11: ‘Do you not believe that I am with my Father and my Father is with me? The words that I speak I do not speak of myself, but my Father who abides with me does these works. Believe that I am with my Father and my Father is with me, and if not, believe because of the works [He does through me].’ 'Because the consciousness of such highly evolved souls has cleansed itself of all selfishness, they no longer have any need for power struggles and for clinging on to each other and their loved ones. They realise that no power between Heaven and Earth can ever destroy a loving bond that two people have created between them in the course of many lifetimes. Knowing that the promise that love is forever is not an empty one, when for one of them the time comes for parting from this plane, letting go of each other creates no unnecessary suffering and problems for the one left behind. 'The coming together of these lovers is an act of worshipful devotion that honours the creative forces of the Universe, in full awareness that they are as much alive in them as in all life. This allows them to offer themselves and a large part of their lives and each other unto life itself as a living sacrifice on the altar of the God of love. The more happily such souls bend their knees before the Highest to reveal their readiness to act as priest and priestess on Its shrine, the more likely it is that their wish will be granted. ‘Thy will, Great Father/Mother of all life, not ours shall be done. If you find us worthy of being granted the gift of a child, it shall be gratefully received in the fullness of time.’ 'Souls of this calibre appreciate their own wholeness and therefore also respect that of others. Knowing that they already are whole within themselves saves them from seeking to be made so by others. This sets them free for a far more profound experience of merging and blending their inner and outer God and Goddess energies than would otherwise be possible. Their loving union is a demonstration that they are ready to act in full consciousness as co-creators with God by offering themselves as a channel through which a new physical body for a third soul can be created – not by them, but by God. With this the Divine lays the power to transform their earthly lovemaking into a sacred act of worship and devotion into human hands. 'All we as earthlings can ever do when we are yearning for any experience is to show our readiness and our willingness to do the work that may be required for us, to bring it about, in the hope that this is setting the wheels in motion. In the meantime, there is nothing for it but waiting and trusting that the wisdom of the Highest will fulfil our desire, so that when we are wishing for a child that a strong and healthy body will be created through us, to be used by someone who is ready in the world of spirit for another lifetime on the Earth plane. There is never any shortage of these. Many are at all times waiting to be allowed the privilege of re-entry into another lifetime’s experiences on the material plane and all we can do is hope and pray that one of them may be destined to honour us with its presence. 'In sexual unions of any kind each remains an individual in its own right. But, when two souls are proceeding in the above described manner it enables them to function as one and in full consciousness of their true role as Earth God and Goddess. Aware that they are merely acting as channels and vessels for the creative Universal forces to work through, they then take part in the sacred act of creation with love for each other and for God, with true humility and reverence for the Great Father/Mother of all life, and also for the life they are longing to be given through them. 'And so, they go worshipfully down on their knees before the throne of the Highest and request that if their Karma allows it and when conditions and time are right, a new body and a vehicle for an incoming soul and spirit may be created through them. They are aware that every spirit is an eternal seed of God, a son/daughter of God, born from the heart of God, the same as they themselves are. Should their wish be granted, they will appreciate that their child is a gift that does not belong to them and therefore will never be theirs to keep. It is merely coming to them to be taken care of for a predestined time. 'Just imagine! God and the Angels are the only ones who know how long ago all this was written into the great book of life, before either one of our lovers ever started to dream of a child of their own. And who knows? Wise old owls that such parents are, they are sure to appreciate that the potential age of the new arrival, their very own little owl, in terms of how many times it may have been recycled for gathering its own experiences in the Earth’s environment, could be far greater than that of both parents together. Now, there’s a humbling thought for you. From ‘New Hope for Childless Couples or how to become a Miracle Co-worker’ With love and light, | ||
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Student Posts: 546 ![]() ![]() Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Dear Aquarius, "It’s just the way I perceive the matter or maybe rather the way my Highest Self and inner teacher is showing it to me." My inner self or "Highest Self" is showing me differently. It does take courage and strength to be at peace within, Absolute Sovereigncy (Robert) | ||
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Student Posts: 546 ![]() ![]() Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Edited by Absolute Sovereigncy 7/10/2009 12:38 AM | ||
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Expert Posts: 2118 ![]() ![]() Location: The Heart of Space | No it doesn't..it takes complacency and acceptance. That, which you have a cornucopia of springs forth. Peace n Fwiskies, Marty and Luck, Popp, and Siss | ||
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Student Posts: 546 ![]() ![]() Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Yeah its there. | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 1938 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom |
Dear Robert - I agree that then is YOUR truth and it does not make one bit of difference that it is not mine. With love - Aquarius | ||
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Student Posts: 546 ![]() ![]() Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | In the world of relativity and no absolutes, yeah, thats true. But reality exists beyond our personal whims. | ||
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Student Posts: 263 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: Queensland Australia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgbEYSbyepM | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 1938 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | OF MARRIAGE But let there be spaces in your togetherness You do not need another to make you whole, As each soul has their own pathway to walk, let each do their own thing. Give your hearts, but not into each other’s keeping; Each in their own way and time has to learn their lessons, From ‘The Prophet’ by Kahlil Gibran 1883-1931 | ||
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