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Location: The Heart of Space | Hiya Aqua, I am by no means trying to convince you of anything. You have your beliefs and only a miracle would have you alter them. What I hope folks get out of this is that your higher or highest authority is not the only higher/highest authority around. Your higher authority could be THE higher authority for you, but it could be a lower or middle authority for someone else, who has a higherer authority. There are quite a few people who believe their authority to be the highestestest authority which trumps your highest authority by two authorities. Now, as for why I prefer my authority, no matter where that authority falls in the ranks of authorities, is that my authority doesn't make excuses. My authority sees no moral or spiritual lesson forthcoming from (for example) the slaughter of six million people; the continued persecution of those people, and the betrayal of those people by another very powerful nation. My authority labels these things for what they are-acts of pure evil. My authority does not suggest that we wait for some kind of spiritual Woodstock in the hope that what remains of the persecuted will be left to be as they chose and live in peace. Not putting words into the mouth of your authority, the posts of the past seem to suggest that we accept evil, catastrophe, disaster, and general nogoodness and do nothing but wait for some sort of enlightenment. In the meantime, suffering continues unabated. This is very very suspicious. We should all remember the werewolf in sheep's clothing....or it is Dracula in a cape of many colors.....or the Mummy in fancy lace linen...whatever the expression is.......anyone can claim a higher or even a highest authority but WHERE is that authority highest.....at the tippy top of the angelic clouds or in the lower realms? Regardez-vous, Marty and Le Chat ChanceuxLee |
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In trying to mediate the differing views here, I wonder if there is a difference of spiritual typology being expressed?
That is to say, a difference between an eschatological perspective, as opposed to one that might best be described as, 'eternal return'?
The former is a one chance attempt/opportunity whilst on this plane/planet; the other is more about cosmic recycling.
Just trying to help move the dialogue continue and move on, you understand: and I could be wrong!
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Location: United Kingdom | Dear Ophiucus,
What an interesting topic! Taking a closer look at it, I have found out the following: Eschatology is a part of theology concerned with the final events of history, or the ultimate destiny of humanity. This concept is commonly referred to as the ‘end of the world’ or ‘end time’. The word comes from the Greek eschatos meaning ‘last’ and -logy meaning ‘the study of’, first used in English around 1550. The Oxford English Dictionary defines eschatology as ‘The department of theological science concerned with ‘the four last things: death, judgment, heaven and hell’.
In the context of mysticism, the phrase refers metaphorically to the end of ordinary reality and reunion with the Divine. In many religions it is taught as an existing future event prophesied in sacred texts and/or folklore. More broadly, eschatology may encompass related concepts such as the Messiah or Messianic Age, the end time, and the end of days.
History is often divided into ‘ages’ (aeons), which are time periods each with certain commonalities. One age comes to an end and a new age or world to come, where different realities are present, begins. When such transitions from one age to another are the subject of eschatological discussion, the phrase, ‘end of the world’, is replaced by ‘end of the age’, ‘end of an era’, or ‘end of life as we know it’. Much apocalyptic fiction does not deal with the ‘end of time’ but rather with the end of a certain period of time, the end of life as it is now, and the beginning of a new period of time. It is usually a crisis that brings an end to current reality and ushers in a new way of living, thinking, or being. This crisis may take the form of the intervention of a deity in history, a war, a change in the environment, or the reaching of a new level of consciousness.
Most modern eschatology and apocalypticism, both religious and secular, involve the violent disruption or destruction of the world. In contrast to this Christian and Jewish eschatologies view the end times as the consummation or perfection of God’s creation of the world. For example, according to ancient Hebrew belief, life takes a linear (and not cyclical) path. The world began with God and is constantly heading toward God’s final goal for creating the ideal peaceful world that is yet to come.
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Location: United Kingdom | ‘As the great American poet wrote: ‘Death is the Angel sent who draws the unwilling bolt and sets the captive free’. Then when the time comes for the body to be laid aside, there should be no grief. The spirit has not passed from your vision. The spirit is near you. Where there is love there is no separation. The spirit of the one left behind merges with that of the released spirit. The law of harmony prevails, the law of reunion. The two come together as one. Yes, Earth life is a hard school, but you will find it easier to endure when you draw aside the curtain and live conscious of the limitless spiritual life.’
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Location: United Kingdom | Dear Aquarius
Regarding post 26464 - thank you again. Your diligence is much appreciated. But this post is kind of the nub of the issue in relation to mourning. That is, is what remains and 'goes forward' with those who are left, 'merely' the spirit, ie, the emotions and love associated with the lost Beloved, ie, is it subjective.... or is it objective, in the sense that somewhere 'beyond' that veil of tears, beyond yet also, within (us), there is a quite different reality, that has been refered to as the Kingdom of Heaven (for example) ... so in another way, is it our imagination - howsoever powerfil that might be - or is it Real (from the plane of Reality?) [no rhyme intended!!]
sorry i need to continue this dialogue later, got to get dinner ready .... maybe our new friend from Nepal might have some light to shed on this one too ...!
Calling Nepal?
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Location: The Heart of Space | OMG Paulino.......as I read (present tense) your post I am enjoying some Momo from my dear sweet take-away hostess Kalpana who is from Nepal. Marty and LuckyLee in spirit with Catmandu
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Location: The Heart of Space | Whoa Aqua, Post 26464...........what great American poet wrote that????????? Would love to know, Marty and LuckyLee (she majored in lit at Catolic University, I majored in beer)
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Location: United Kingdom | Dear Marty - that’s a very good question! As it appears in an original White Eagle quote, I have never felt the need for going in search of who the poet was. As far as I can establish, the quote was taken from a poem by John Greenleaf Whittier, 1807-1892, which he wrote for the funeral of William Lloyd Garrison, 1805-1879. Here it is: The storm and peril overpast,
The hounding hatred shamed and still,
Go, soul of freedom! take at last
The place which thou alone canst fill.
Confirm the lesson taught of old —
Life saved for self is lost, while they
Who lose it in His service hold
The lease of God's eternal day.
Not for thyself, but for the slave
Thy words of thunder shook the world.
No selfish griefs or hatred gave
The strength wherewith thy bolts were hurled.
From lips that Sinai's trumpet blew
We heard a tenderer undersong.
Thy very wrath from pity grew,
From love of man thy hate of wrong.
Now past and present are as one.
The life below is life above.
Thy mortal years have but begun
The immortality of love.
With somewhat of thy lofty faith
We lay thy outworn garment by,
Give death but what belongs to death,
And life the life that cannot die!
Not for a soul like thine the calm
Of selfish ease and joys of sense,
But duty, more than crown or palm,
Its own exceeding recompense.
Go up and on! thy day well done,
Its morning promise well fulfilled,
Arise to triumphs yet unwon,
To holier tasks that God has willed.
Go, leave behind thee all that mars
The work below of man for man.
With the white legions of the stars
Do service such as Angels can.
Wherever wrong shall right deny,
Or suffering spirits urge their plea,
Be thine a voice to smite the lie,
A hand to set the captive free!
With love – Aquarius
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Location: United Kingdom | Hi Marty
What a coincidence! I was referring to Manjari who has just started posting on the Board and is from Nepal..
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Location: The Heart of Space | Oh My Word......another little bit of the unusual..........as I was having my Momo, I was also chatting with my friend in Hanham and she was playing a utube of Manjula ( a well known utube Indian cook ). Paul, where has our Nepalese friend posted....I would love to say ?????? .........I hope the characters translate and post properly? Peace Dude! Marty and LuckyLee Well, the Nepalese characters posted as question marks.......oh well, so much for technology.......
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Location: The Heart of Space | Thanks for that Aqwah........LuckyLee thought it was Walt Whitman and I thought it was Hart Crane (don't laugh-I was not at the head of the class when it came to American poets). I guess Father Dominic Salvatore Bugliesie (aka Sally Bugs) was right when he categorized me as a student who works hard at not being a student. Peace, Two Dunces
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Location: United Kingdom | Marty - it is on the Metaphysical Arts Dreams club, plus s/he started another thread on Divine Love ..
Divine Love
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Location: United Kingdom | I wondered about Edwin Arlington Robinson .. reminded me of that line in - is it - Bookends (Paul Simon):
'and you read your Emily Dickinson, and I my Robert Frost'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul2hSba5pOs
oops no, it was dangling conversation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIPf4RJSznA
but both good ..
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Location: United Kingdom | Paul Joseph - 8/2/2015 7:06 PM . . . this post is kind of the nub of the issue in relation to mourning. That is, is what remains and 'goes forward' with those who are left, 'merely' the spirit, i.e. the emotions and love associated with the lost Beloved, i.e. is it subjective.... or is it objective, in the sense that somewhere 'beyond' that veil of tears, beyond yet also, within (us), there is a quite different reality, that has been referred to as the Kingdom of Heaven (for example) ... so in another way, is it our imagination - howsoever powerful that might be - or is it Real (from the plane of Reality?) . . . Dear Paul - I believe that the answers to those questions are for you to go in search of. You are to find out for yourself and that first hand, not by reading about these things in books and other publications. It's your learning and I look forward to the time when you are ready to share your observations and insights with us. With love - Aquarius * * *
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Location: The Heart of Space | Au contraire, dear Aqua......if one thoroughly reads the stories of Harry, Bess and Sir Arthur.....one will discover many things...such as the nature of friendship, the nature of enemies, the solemnity of a lover's promise AND whether one can reach through the veil that separates the living of this movement in time with the living of this movement in time removed.
My conclusion from grand and tedious study is that Bess got the message but not in the way it was thought it would come.
Pastfully, presently, and futurally yours,
Marty and LuckyLee - still blind after EFT, MFT, NFL, NIA, NHS and any and all the other internet healing acronymious personages who have tried and failed........they don't put my testimonial on their pages....I wonder why????????????????????????
P.S. Did Natey Nuddleman actually beoome a God? If he did, he probably screwed LuckyLee up.....I tried to warn you all about the young Gods in the making.....I sure hope he doesn't screw a lot more things up....OY VEY!!!!!!! |
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‘A critic is someone who never actually goes to the battle, yet who afterwards comes out shooting the wounded.’ Tyne Daly * * *
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Location: United Kingdom | Hi Aquarius
Been pondering your 'critics' post and scratching my head as to how it fits in .... sorry if I am being dim ....?
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| Hi, all. My this thread has taken some twists and turns.
I'm presently getting myself grounded and centered after much turmoil and strangeness in my little part of life. Listening to John Two-Hawks "Heal" CD now. May we all feel healed in whatever way we need to at this moment in time.
Marty your original post- I think we all are spiritual. I think you know this already.
Dear, dear Paul Joseph. I'm afraid anything I say will seem to trivialize what you have been through and are still experiencing from the death of your friend. You know I only have your best interest at heart... Healing from the Suicide of a loved one can take many. many years- especially if it's the first experience you have had with it. I have experienced it a few times, the first was the most difficult for me and took more than 15 years for me to process, I was a teen and he was a younger teen. If ever you want to discuss it, I'm here to do that.
I did within the last month come across an interesting book called "Suicide from the other side" by Susan Rushing. It's self published so the writing is not all it could be, but the messages are easily received. I read it in one afternoon. Among other things, it gave an interesting perspective of those who died being assisted by angels who were the color of the Chakras being worked on by the deceased. I don't have any connection with angels, but the book opened up some great possibilities of the healing of the deceased. Anyway... may your healing go swiftly. It may never feel okay that the act occurred, but you can process it and feel better, at some point. xoxox Hopefully, once you feel for yourself that the spirit of your friend has healed, you will be comforted and find a little bit of peace xoxox |
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Location: United Kingdom | Paul Joseph - 8/14/2015 10:56 PM Hi Aquarius Been pondering your 'critics' post and scratching my head as to how it fits in .... sorry if I am being dim ....? Best wishes Paul Hello Paul - just a thought that came to me the other day. I'm glad you don't understand and no, you are most certainly not dim. With love - Aquarius * * *
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Location: United Kingdom | dear Disa
Thank you so much, as I am equally grateful to Aqua and Mary who posted before about this.
I did not at all take what you said as trivializing and would like to reflect together on all of that/this.
The book you mention sounds fascinating. Any chance of sending more details (PM if you prefer).
I have had coincidences happen since my friend went, some quite powerful. But then we are left with the question as to if they are tricks of the mind or perception.
I am feeling too worn out to post anything much these days, sorry.
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Location: The Heart of Space | Paul, old bean.....
The "mind" plays no tricks; but perception is what it is, sometimes on target, other times asea.
If the bond is strong enough, the coincidences are what they are and what your mind says that they are.
Bess truthfully related (much to Sir Arthurs dismay) that no medium ever conveyed the agreed upon message from Harry. She DID NOT say that the message was never received at all. She did not say anything.....think of the implications of an admission.
Not to contradict another of our core posters, but simply to offer a differing view......none of us will ever evolve to be a God. But, we will all live again. The problem is that the movement of time that the resurrected are in makes it extremely difficult to communicate with another movement of time, though not impossible. There are more messages sent than we actually realize; we simply do not understand the "language' they are in.
All of time exists,
All of time exists at all times,
All of time exists everywhere!
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| Dear Paul.
I have to agree with what Marty posted above.
Here is a link to the book on Amazon. The author happens to work locally and I ran across her book at the local metaphysical shop one day. I don't know if the links work here:
http://www.amazon.com/Suicide-Other-Side-Susan-Rushing/dp/147912383...
I didn't find much new info in the book because much of what she's saying I have experienced directly or already had a belief about it which resonated. Apparently what she's saying is new to many other people who were brought up with or have another belief system. Either way, there may be something there that may give some comfort.
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Location: United Kingdom | Marvellous posts both, many thanks and appreciations
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Location: NE Ohio | I all, I have been in some what of a rut Physically and Mentally.... Thank God I am spiritual, it's what kept me in this realm. So.... yep.... i am spirit. Good to see everyone... I have some catching up to do.
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