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Posted 6/2/2014 9:11 PM (#25140)
Subject: Dealing Positively with Naysayers



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Here is an excerpt from a response I gave on elishans to a person who says her husband is a naysayer, and asks what she can do to make communication better with him:

Elisha advocates a return to Innocence, that all of our affairs can be perceived from Innocence and all our actions derived from the same. The Innocent gives what it loves 100%, with nothing held back, and expects 100% of that love to be returned in the result. Elisha is not referring to human innocence when he speaks of the Innocent. He speaks of our connection to the Eternal Innocent that exists inside all of us. It is at the heart of Life itself. It remains untouched by anything that happens in the outer world. It does not change or evolve. Its existence is already supremely and immovably planted in Light and Love. In your oracle, this is Jupiter in Aries—untold expansiveness of the Eternal Innocent in Life.


You must find that Innocence in yourself, whether you believe in it or not. It is there. A more positive way to say this is, "It is here!" Present tense. Right now. And when you speak to your husband, you speak from Innocence. How he responds—naysaying or not—is irrelevant, as long as you don't collect what you don't love.

Suppose he does "naysay" in response. What do you do? What you don't do is collect it. Forgive him. Perhaps he is doing the best he can do in that moment, even if you don't love what it is. Try imagining what he might have done—something you do love and can happily accept. That may help you forgive the fact that he didn't do it, simply because it will make you happy. It puts you in the right frame of mind to collect and hold something else that you can gladly present to the Law of Attraction, so that a better future is not only possible, but probable.

 More in this article:

  • A possibly surprising look at what is sane and insane.
  • A deeper study of how what we collect impacts the Law of Attraction.
  • The interpretation of an Oracle cast in response to this question/request.
Read the full article here.

Love and Light,
Zy

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Aquarius
Posted 6/3/2014 6:55 AM (#25142 - in reply to #25140)
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Thank you for sharing these wise reflections with us here. What’s explained in them is all well and good in theory. However, in a real life situation there must be a strong possibility that one fine day the wife of the nay-saying husband will say to herself: ‘Enough is enough!’ I cannot take it any more, let him get on with his life and his nay-saying ways, so I can do the same with mine.’ Then she upstakes and leaves.

With love - Aquarius

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Posted 6/3/2014 3:10 PM (#25145 - in reply to #25142)
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Yes, Aquarius, I absolutely agree with you. And I would add that advice to this lady, except that she specifically asked how to make it work. I see that you joined elishans, and I am so happy to see that! Maybe you should make your post on her thread, directly to her. Diversity of opinion is what an Aquarian community is all about, as I'm sure you know! It's difficult in a single post to cover all sides of anything. This is why I encourage people to share insights in each other's Journeys.

Much love,
Zy

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Posted 6/3/2014 3:26 PM (#25146 - in reply to #25145)
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Dear Friends

I must confess that I am not sure what a Naysayer is ... please excuse my ignorance ... would be grateful for clarification. Might I be one!?

I would join Elishans but am having trouble keeping up with this site let alone another one! But will look further into it.

Very well done Zy - and Aquarius - for your own magical work

Best blessings

Paul

ps, afterthought/reflection on this: "the innocent expects 100% of that love to be returned in the result" .... do they? Am not sure ... I feel that the truly innocent and 'pure in heart' (if they are the same thing) expects nothing in return. Though I think the quote from Romeo and Juliet on your site says it all

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Posted 6/3/2014 5:27 PM (#25150 - in reply to #25146)
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Hi Paul,

A naysayer in the context the lady was using is someone who, no matter what subject is introduced, takes a negative attitude, viewpoint, etc. when replying.

I think we are trained to give with no expectation of reward. And I'm not against such a thing. But I'm more pagan oriented than Buddhist, Christian, or any other religion. I don't think desire is a bad thing in human experience. I think there are ways to put forth your desires and expect them to be fulfilled. I realize I say this at the risk of making a lot of folks cringe. OH! The Karma! But Elisha teaches me quantum metaphysics. It is a picture of the Universe that is so vast that everyone can get (and does get) exactly what they desire (or attract to them) without any competition with the goals and desires of others. The Quantum Universe is so vast that everything that can be imagined IS happening. Somewhere. My goal as a quantum metaphysician is to teach people (who may want to learn it) how they can ask the Universe for what they want, expect the Universe to provide, and understand and deal positively with any delays they may experience along the way.

Many of the old "new age" concepts are still based on the Piscian Age. However the Age of Aquarius will bring very different perspectives on a lot of old thoughts. Karma applies to what Elisha calls a universe based on the precept of "false singularity." That there is only one path that all people are traveling. If I win the lottery on a certain day or a certain draw, no one else can win it that day. "False singularity" introduces a universe of limitations where competition is the rule. Religions have found graceful ways (and some not so graceful) of dealing with these limitations. Karma is one such concept.

I realize I'm treading on some risky ground here for some folks. And I'm okay with that. Some will retaliate, and I say, "Fire away!"

Life is all about choices. I honor the choices anyone may make. But then, I make my own based on quantum possiblity. In the quantum Universe there are no limited resources. The Lightpaths are infinite. The quantum Universe has no limits.

What Elisha has taught me and shown me is that life is also all about Freedom. And Freedom will be the mainstay of the Aquarian Age. This will spark fear in many minds steeped in religious views. Hitlers will be free to be Hitlers. Mother Teresas will be free to be Mother Teresas. And the quantum Universe is big enough to accommodate all these choices. "Reality," as we know it (or as we don't) is brought about by the willingness of conscious souls to Observe a possibility. So the real question isn't how do I make something happen here? It is where do I need to be in order to observe the thing I desire? The Lightpath where it is already happening.

There is "room" for angels and devils and everything in between. Why even consider duality? Metaphysics may well be the study of what is possible in a limited, falsely singular universe. Elisha has taught me that false singularity is what creates duality along with all the drama and concerns we have over it. Quantum Metaphysics is the study of what is possible. Period.

I believe that Quantum Metaphysics is the the future. It is the Metaphysics of the Age of Aquarius.

My opinion, of course. You're all welcome to yours. That's Freedom too. I also believe your opinion will place you where you will be observing the rules you have adopted and made yours.

LOL, I didn't mean to get into this. But here it is.

Anyone want to throw stones, or shoot arrows or bullets, or nuclear missiles at me?

Well here I am.

And believe it or not, I do love, honor, and respect anything you believe or hold dear. Elishans are for the future. I don't know if or when or how far that community will grow during my lifetime. I do know Elishans are a new race of humans that will grow as a result of a new understanding of reincarnation. Living literally hundreds of lifetimes in one. But more on that another time.

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Posted 6/3/2014 6:50 PM (#25151 - in reply to #25140)
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I wish to state that heart to heart conversation need no excuses. The feelings of others are legitimate wether metaphysical to you, or to only the people involved in the conversation. These need not to be interrupted, even if you do not agree with what is being said. It is always a way to kill your fellows desire to be involved in other more open debate or discussion. Not everyone is into debate, or skepticism. I enjoy debate and I often forget that others do not. To the skeptic I would state, 'skepticism needs no excuse. It needs EVERY excuse.' if you want to feel truly defended I think you should state that your metaphysics is your own. 'My metaphysics, myself.' is the most fair way to say that everyone deserves a shot at a working metaphysics. I want to remind us not to be cruel. We all have an incredible boor inside us. Please, remind others (including me)when they are not being an improvement upon the unfairness that we sometimes are metered out. Pax vobiscum, cause

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Posted 6/3/2014 7:59 PM (#25152 - in reply to #25151)
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Agree, Cause.

<hugs>

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Posted 6/4/2014 6:55 AM (#25154 - in reply to #25145)
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Yes, Aquarius, I absolutely agree with you. And I would add that advice to this lady, except that she specifically asked how to make it work. I see that you joined elishans, and I am so happy to see that! Maybe you should make your post on her thread, directly to her. Diversity of opinion is what an Aquarian community is all about, as I'm sure you know! It's difficult in a single post to cover all sides of anything. This is why I encourage people to share insights in each other's Journeys.

Much love,
Zy

Dear Zy – I would love to follow your advice, but can no longer find your website/forum, as the link for it seems to have disappeared. Can you please provide me with another one?

With love - Aquarius

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Posted 6/4/2014 1:41 PM (#25155 - in reply to #25154)
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> Aquarius - 6/4/2014 7:55 AM

> Dear Zy – I would love to follow your advice, but can no longer find
> your website/forum, as the link for it seems to have disappeared.
> Can you please provide me with another one?

 

Dear Aquarius, here is is: www.elishans.org

I have also put this in my profile signature. It isn't a link there, but can be copy/pasted into a browser, just as you have done with your raysofwisdom site.

Easiest thing is to bookmark it once you get there.

Ever yours,
Zy

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Disa
Posted 6/4/2014 4:43 PM (#25163 - in reply to #25140)
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Dear Zy.

I love your post up there. I find it refreshing and most of it resonates. I was right there with ya until you said, "Hitlers will be allowed to be Hitlers". That's too scary to me, I may have missed the point. I'm going to register for your forum right now. I think I have needed this. Best of luck with it. It sounds, so far like something I'm interested in reading Thanks!

P.S. I won't be debating, shooting anything, throwing stones - just learning
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Posted 6/4/2014 6:06 PM (#25164 - in reply to #25140)
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Dear PJ.

You are not a naysayer.

When Zy said this"the innocent expects 100% of that love to be returned in the result" I also felt this ".... do they? Am not sure ... I feel that the truly innocent and 'pure in heart' (if they are the same thing) expects nothing in return. "

But then Zy expanded, and I could feel the synapses firing in my brain. This is exactly the kind of thing I like to have happen.

Please join the Elishans Forum. I think it is what WE have been waiting for.

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Aquarius
Posted 6/5/2014 12:19 PM (#25165 - in reply to #25155)
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Thank you, Yz, for providing a new link. I have set myself a bookmark for your forum, just below the one for the UMS, so I shall be able to find you easily in future. I tried to update my profile a bit and maybe put my avatar and my web address into it. Alas, none of these things seem to be possible as yet. With love - Aquarius
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Posted 6/5/2014 5:09 PM (#25168 - in reply to #25165)
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Dear Aquarius,

You should be able to do both. When in the elishans forum and logged in, click the "Profile" tab, then, on the same blue bar where it says "Profile for Aquarius" you see on the right "Edit." Click the Edit button and it will take you to a page where you can edit (in tabs) your User Account, Profile Information, Avatar Image, and your personal Forum Settings. When editing the Profile Information tab, there is a place for website. But you may also want to put it in your signature line, which is also there at the bottom. There is also a way to make the website address in your signature a link, making it easier for people to get to your website. This is done with BB code. Let me know if you need help with that, or if you have any other questions about this process.

Much love,
Zy

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Posted 6/7/2014 6:40 AM (#25172 - in reply to #25168)
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Dear Zy – I would love to take part in your new forum from time to time, but I just tried and it took me ages to actually add a reasonably well presented message onto the nay-saying thread. I would have loved to add a link for


I simply couldn’t work it out how it’s done, in spite of trying several options that looked likely to be the right ones. I have many years of experience with forums, but this one, I am sorry to have to say it, is by far the most difficult and time-consuming one to deal with. I simply don’t have the necessary amounts of time available and wonder whether it would be possible to simplify things just a little bit, so the forum becomes more user-friendly, at least as far as formatting is concerned.

And yes, it would also be helpful if you could make the text a bit darker. By the way, my mouse is not from Microsoft – I didn't know they made them. It is a Logitech Function Mouse with zoom facility and also one for getting me onto the web with one click plus search facility. Very clever and most useful.
 
With love – Aquarius



Edited by Aquarius 6/7/2014 2:20 PM
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Posted 6/7/2014 7:37 PM (#25174 - in reply to #25140)
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Dear Aquarius,

I have changed the default text color of elishans to black. I hope this helps.

The Kunena forum on elishans uses standard BB code for formatting. Are you familiar with how this works? Many, many forums out there use BB code. Kunena does not offer a WYSIWYG editor for security reasons. That isn't something I can change. But I can help you work with the interface it has, if you're interested in learning it.

For starters, let me confirm—is this what you're seeing at the top of your elishans textbox when you are editing or creating a post:

 

I just want to be sure we are seeing the same thing. If so, and you still need help, it might be best to discuss it on the elishans forum itself. I have created a thread there just for this:  Site Accessibility

Love,
Zy

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Posted 6/8/2014 2:31 PM (#25176 - in reply to #25174)
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Thank you for your patience and understanding, Zy. Yes, the black font colour does make a difference. To help you understand the difficulties I am having at present with seeing things, on your forum or elsewhere, is that I am waiting for a cataract operation and that on both eyes. As I am having the operation done privately, things should be progressing quickly. I am going for a final test coming Tuesday and will hopefully get the date and time for the first operation. If all goes well, and according to the consultant there is no reason why it shouldn’t, the second one may follow after four weeks.

Please keep your fingers crossed for me. It will truly be a miracle to be able to see properly again, maybe not even having to wear glasses any more.

With love – Aquarius 

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Posted 6/9/2014 8:40 PM (#25179 - in reply to #25176)
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Ah, my dear Aquarius. I know how frightening it can be to think of one's EYES undergoing surgery. Perhaps particularly for an Aquarian, to whom vision is so sacred!

My 83 year old Mom hasn't been able to see well for years. Part of her problem is macular degeneration, for which there is no cure at present. But to complicate that, cataracts grew also. She has recently had the cataract surgery and was so delighted with the result, instantly, the following day! She won't even get new glasses for a couple more weeks. But she said everything was so clear and she could see colors like she had forgotten the beauty and sharpness of.

So I'm filled with hope for your own surgery, and ready to celebrate the joy of the success of it with you.

I will send you Reiki. Your higher self will receive it or not, depending on your wants and needs. It's wonderful how that works!

Thank you for sharing this with me - with all of us. I'm certain a brighter light awaits you at the end of this temporary tunnel!

Much Love,
Zy

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Posted 6/9/2014 8:44 PM (#25180 - in reply to #25179)
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P.S. Also interesting that you are doing this under Mercury Rx.

A really good time to "repair" something, right?!

I'm happy for you.

Truly,
Zy

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Posted 6/10/2014 6:25 AM (#25181 - in reply to #25180)
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Dearr Zy - how very kind of you. Your contributions to the success of this enterprise are very much appreciated. Off to another test shortly to assess the strength of the lenses required. More soon.

With love - Aquarius

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