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Student Location: Ellijay, GA | This is a topic that has been on my mind quite a bit and I'm curious about other views. I wonder if a relationship is possible when the two are on very different spiritual levels. I'm not talking about beliefs here, but a spiritual level. If one person lives much more on a surface level, run by ego and everything in the outside world, and the other person has a much deeper understanding (even knowledge) of spirit and lives more from that. I realize that the spiritual person can guide and teach, but then isn't that really kind of doing it more for yourself than them? Almost like you want them to "wake up" and see things the way you do? It is very common that people look for similarities when choosing a mate- similar likes, similar status, similar beliefs, but what about levels of spirituality? Can it work when your main focus in life is spirit and theirs is not? When you feel like you are constantly dealing with their ego because they will not, when you have gone quite a distance in taking care of your own? Just curious about views on this. | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 1938 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | One thing is sure and that is that true love is a strange and wonderful thing that moves in mysterious ways. Why do we have so little faith in God? Haven’t all our true needs always been met? Our Creator is well aware of the fact that each one of us needs a partner who shares our spiritual requirements, as well as our material ones. That is why this too eventually appears in our life, when the time is right – one way or another. Who are we to stand in the way and hesitate, hopefully not for too long? We are here to learn to love wisely. Well, is it wise to cling onto something – anything that is past its sell-by date? Spiritual awareness, by the way, does not make such decisions any easier. Knowing that we are responsible and have to live with the karmic consequences of our actions, we make an extra effort at doing the right things, on all levels, trying to do justice to all involved. But with our limited view, how can we ever know what is best for ourselves and another? All we can do is to follow our inner guidance, and then take the plunge. If our intentions are good and we act with love in our heart and do our best, then God and the Angels can and will do the rest. The Universal laws ensure that when we send our best into our world – and all worlds, for that matter – only the best comes back to us. As mentioned in the chapter ‘Searching For Love’ , all bread cast onto the waters of life does come back, and any love we have ever given will always return to us, though not necessarily through the people we gave it to. This hardly ever happens, but back our love comes, as often as not in the form of help, when we really need it. Suddenly it is there and to our amazement hands are reaching out to us, from unexpected people and places. Observing this kind of thing in our own lives goes a long way towards restoring our faith and trust in the inherent goodness of life, which we may have lost along the way whilst struggling to find out way through some particularly traumatic events. To my mind, that is yet another reason why such situations arise. Although I still have my share of weak moments, the same as everyone, it is good to learn from first hand experiences that it is safe to trust that our true needs are constantly being met. And if it is faith and trust we need, the Universe helps us to learn that, too. From White Eagle comes the following wisdom. It appeared on the Message Board of the White Eagle Lodge in March 2006: ‘You will ask if divorce or separation can be wrong. I answer: not at all; in everyday life you go through certain phases, physical or spiritual, which teach you certain lessons. When the phase is over it falls away, its usefulness being finished. So also with marriage; when the required period of wedded life has passed, and when you have learned what was necessary, you have probably fulfilled the purpose of that marriage, not only to yourself and your partner, but to the whole, as a result. We do not, therefore, hold that divorce is sinful, nor does it hinder further spiritual advancement.’ | ||
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Ph.D. Alumni Posts: 694 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida | Journi, I would say that everything happens for a reason. Perhaps the leson here is that you need to be a example of what spirituality is about. Better stated as lead by example. I assume that you are the female in this relationship and the ego driven worldly one is the male. Believe me when I tell you that I experienced the very same situation a few years ago. While I learned that my ego wasn't that important, I came around to the spiritual understanding of ego vs. spirit/soul. Hang in there and see.... | ||
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Alumni Posts: 534 ![]() ![]() | Hi, Journi. I am also in Georgia I understand what you are saying and why it might seem like a huge issue. I am here to represent the idea of "you can't change anyone but yourself". And I'm quite sure you already know this. Often if you go on living your life according to your spirituality, the other person somehow naturally absorbs some of it. When I met my husband I really had no concrete spiritual beliefs and it seems that he may not have either, at least none we recognized, discussed,or could label. Over the years I have gone through quite a few personal spiritual transitions and somehow or another, while he didn't necessarily accompany me on my journey in a way that he was physically attending classes, workshops, or churches with me, similarities in our beliefs and spiritually did gradually unfold. Each person's spirituality is very much an individual thing, and we may be on different levels at different times. I feel it's constantly growing, changing, expanding and sometimes we find a common ground there. Sometimes not. I think the questions you have to ask yourself are: Is the person you are with stopping you in any way from practicing your own spirituality or maintaining your own spiritual level? Is the person set in their ways or are they able to change and grow within themselves? Are there things you have in common that you enjoy with or about the other person that far outweigh your respective spiritual levels? I guess what I'm getting at is, only you can tell for sure if the person has the capacity for change or growth and whether or not you can live with the answer to that. People have a lifetime of opportunities to grow and change, for some it comes naturally, for others it takes a devastating wake up call. Oh, and you know the old saying- opposites attract Best of luck to you in your choices. | ||
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Student Location: Ellijay, GA | Thank you so much for the responses! I have read them a couple of times and pondered a bit. The White Eagle quote for me is dead on with what I feel. I very much have a Buddhist view of non-attachment. I am able to love without attachment. This probably is one major issue in my relationship. My boyfriend sees this as non commitment and that I don't care about our relationship. This is not the case at all, and I cannot get him to understand it. He is incredibly hung up on me making a "promise" that I will be with him forever. Sure, wonderful concept, but sometimes people change, things change. If you work on making sure this very moment is good, you can follow suit until the end of time. If you are only focusing on what will be in the future, and fearing what could happen, you are messing up this moment. I'm sure that when he married many years ago he did not do it with the intent that they would change, grow apart and split. But me saying "I want to spend my life with you, let's try and make that happen" does not sit well with him, he wants a promise. I will mention that him and I were together 25 years before we had reunited 2 years ago, so not total strangers. But in that time I changed myself immensely. Him, well not so much. He was always very clingy, possessive and jealous. Still is. He is very open to my views and interests (except the non attachment one!), but sometimes almost too much so. In that I mean that it feels like he's just trying to impress. When I told him I didn't eat meat he instantly stopped eating meat. When I told him I like chai lattes he started drinking them obsessively. Everything I do or don't do, think or talk about, he does the same. He got involved in my business and has become obsessed with it. He lays on extreme guilt trips at the mere mention of doing anything without him (even visiting my family) to the point that I will not even try to consider it anymore. Even small things like I made some juice in the juicer when he wasn't around. So, I see all of these things as being very ego driven. I know that I have helped him in many ways, his anger and outbursts have lessened, but is it fair that I deal with these things in hope that one day he will finally "get it"? My intent has been to go into spiritual counseling, but it is not something I care to do in my relationship. When it is personal, and there constantly, it is incredibly draining. I feel that I struggle in furthering myself because I am constantly having to "help" him. I do have to say he asks for help, I'm not trying to force things on him. I do fully believe that every person, every thing, comes into your life for a reason. You learn from absolutely everything. What you are meant to have in your life at the time will be there. He came to me at a time when I felt that I was uncared for, unloved. And he obviously cares for me immensely and would do anything for me. And I think I needed that to strengthen the confidence in myself. He helped me to realize my worth. But then I wonder "will I be able to go on with these other things that are draining me? Will I be able to help him realize his ego? And am I only wanting to to make my life more peaceful?". Yes, I would like to have a life with him, but not the way it is now. I like to stay in the moment and focus on right now, but when right now is constantly dealing with his ego am I being fair to myself? Or him even? It's becoming harder and harder to let go and relax when the outbursts are done. So yes, he's very willing and open, but the "getting it" part is another story. Oh- hello, Disa, fellow Georgian! I do understand the "opposites attract", I'm a hippie and he's a biker! Haha! And that's perfectly fine with me. I guess it's the spiritual part that I can't handle an opposite since it's not just an interest, it's my life | ||
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Alumni Posts: 534 ![]() ![]() | Hi, Journi. I didn't think hippies and bikers were opposites? The ones I know have very similar beliefs. I was thinking he must be some sort of investment banker on wallstreet or something- haha. The things you've mentioned in your most recent post are a far cry from the first(or maybe my perception is just really different than what you are trying to convey). I think it may be his personality type that's conflicting with yours? (The clingyness, the following everything you say and do, the need to be around when you do anything, the guilt trips-those sound as though he has issues related to his own self worth or self identity) With already 25 years or more of knowing each other, you can pretty much assume he will not change (my opinion only) unless of course he gets to the root of why he is clingy, etc... Over 25 years with my husband I have seen him change gradually and we have grown together, not apart (but his core personality was one that resonated with mine)so I was hoping the same for you. None of us can tell you what you should do, obviously-but hopefully we have provided some food for thought? I think you just have to examine within yourself if his good qualities outweigh the ones that are draining you, and how much you are willing to put up with. I don't think it would be fair to him for you to expect him to change too much at this stage, so you have to weigh the pros and cons, and love him as he is. | ||
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Student Location: Ellijay, GA | Disa, Yes, I guess the two are not quite opposites, but certainly different in mentality at times. I'm all about peace, love (for all) and compassion. He is Mr. Tough Guy, feeling that everyone should fear him, and doesn't really trust anyone so he must protect his property (me). As far as beliefs yes, they are very similar in us. I think in my first post I did not want to get on here and lay my relationship out on the table. I was intentionally vague. This isn't a relationship issue forum, so I didn't want to come across that way! In the second post it came out I guess because I really needed it to. I have struggled with this for quite a while with no one to talk to. My reason for seeing it as a spiritual issue is this- in my teens and 20's I struggled with serious depression. I felt like the world was out to get me. It was my destiny to be miserable. I went to many counselors, took anti depressants, even attempted suicide. Nothing I was doing helped in any way. I loved to read, and decided it was time to put down the fiction and start reading some self help books. When I found some that were spiritual in nature something clicked in me. I started seeing things completely different. My whole views and perspective changed. I never took another pill or saw another counselor. I have come quite a long way since then. It was spirituality, not psychology, that got me there. So yes, I feel that that is what will help him through his issues. And yes, he is very willing, BUT I am seeing the distance I have gone in this and he is just starting. So I feel like we are on very different levels. It took me many years, and I will always be learning and growing. I often feel like I'm slipping backwards because when he has a meltdown he will not accept me not engaging. He will keep laying into me until I break down and go off. It used to be everyone that I knew thought it was odd that I never got mad. And I didn't, I was at peace. Now I get angry pretty quickly. And I can't blame him, I control my emotions. So I feel that now I have to help him AND go back and do work on myself that I had already done! So yes, I have weighed pros and cons many times, and they are pretty even, but then I think about the mental and physical effect on me (I have a chronic illness that is exacerbated by stress) and wonder are the cons worth dealing with. It's almost like he is completely reliant on me to teach and guide him. He won't pick up a book or attempt to meditate unless I "tell him how". Everything he learns comes from me, and it's wearing me out! I sit in the house every day, barely going anywhere and my life pretty much revolves around him. And I know that he wants it that way. I have moved several states away from all of my family and friends and know no one here. I have become a hermit and my health has declined. This is something that I can, and should, do something about. I have just been afraid of the backlash. I don't want to portray him as a monster, he is not. It's just major guilt trips that end up stressing me pretty badly. SO, it is much to think about! I hang in there until he "wakes up" or I move on. I know going deep within will help me to eventually find the answer. | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 1938 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | As always, the test lies in the way we tackle and resolve the issues that arise. This in itself reveals to our guides and Masters behind the scenes, who are in charge of us and our spiritual development, much better than anything else how much we really have progressed on the evolutionary spiral of life – or whether we merely think so. Of Marriage And then Almitra spoke again and said: ‘And what of marriage, Master?’ And he replied: ‘You were born together, and together you shall be for evermore. You shall be together when the white wings of death scatter your days. Aye, you shall be together even in the silent memory of God, For in spirit all is one and together all once came forth from the heart of God. But let there be spaces in your togetherness So that the winds of the Heavens can dance between you. Love one another, but make not a bond of love. Rather let it be a moving sea between the shores of your souls. You do not need another to make you whole, For each has the energy of the other dormant within; It is merely waiting to be taken into possession by each one. Let the other help you do this, but then let go of each other again. As each soul has their own pathway to walk, let each do their own thing. Share what nurtures you – Fill each other’s cup but do not drink from the same cup Or eat from the same loaf. Sing and dance together and be joyous, But let each also sometimes be on their own; Even as the strings of a lute are alone, Although they vibrate with the same tune. Give your hearts, but not into each other’s keeping; For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts. And stand together, but not too close, In the same way as the pillars of a temple stand apart, And the oak tree and the cypress do not grow in each other’s shade. Each in their own way and time has to learn their lessons, Their Karma to redeem and their Highest potential to fulfil. Let each learn to take the lead in some things and to follow in others; When each contributes in their own special and unique manner, You add variety and interest to your relationship, Helping it to last longer and ensuring that both partners Grow at an even pace, individually and together. From ‘The Prophet’ by Kahlil Gibran 1883-1931 Lebanese/American poet Edited by Aquarius From ‘A Celebration Of Kahlil Gibran’ * * * | ||
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Student Location: Ellijay, GA | Aquarius, Thank you. Your statement and poem go to the very core of what I am talking about. I know that I have come quite far from where I was, but is it really as far as I feel it is? My recent dealings with issues and what I attract into my life tell me "no". Just gaining knowledge does not make a person spiritual, it's the practice. I live my life fully by my beliefs, but do not "go within" quite enough. And this is where I see that I still have a ways to go. The poem really hits the nail on the head. You cannot chain and control someone. Sharing your life does not mean you have to be with that person every possible second and do everything that they do. Also when you feel that your life would have no meaning or purpose without that person in it, it is very unhealthy. | ||
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PhD Alumni Posts: 4414 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | Hi Journi Nice to see you here. C. G. Jung also wrote about the idea of 'Marriage as a means of individuation'. I think what he meant by this is something along the lines that, when we fall in love with someone, it is not necessarily the 'other' with whom we are falling in love, but with our own projections of ourselves within the other - and sometimes with the Shadow of ourselves that we imagine we see in the other. The spiritual idea of 'marriage', is that it is a process whereby we have to withdraw our projections, and take them back into ourselves. In that process, we become more integrated, but we also begin to see the 'other' in a more realisitc light: or we can choose to hold them within our projections, if we do not like our Shadow very much and want to keep it external to ourselves - hence the hatred of our partner that sometimes grows, and the wish to divorce ... we are divorcing ourselves from that aspect of our own nature that we do not like very much It can get very complicated ... but I think Jung was onto something there .. Namaste Paul | ||
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Forum Administrator Posts: 462 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Yeah: It is all about alchemy, crucibles and the combustibility of opposites ... or some such Watch out for explosions .... | ||
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Student Location: Ellijay, GA | Yes, I have often heard that the things you dislike the most in others is what you dislike in yourself. I have had some problem agreeing with that (although I love Jung), but then the things I typically dislike in others aren't always so much traits, but things they "do". Like bad habits. But then also the traits in my boyfriend that I most dislike- clingy ness, jealousy, etc.- are traits that I do not have. I can more understand loving the traits in him that are similar to my own. But I love regardless of traits. I love him for just who he is, it's the traits that are going to determine if I can continue to live my life with him! | ||
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Alumni Posts: 534 ![]() ![]() | I get what you are saying, Journi. You have a very difficult choice to make. I wish you all the best in finding the choice that brings you a joyful life, a feeling of freedom, and of course love. | ||
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PhD Alumni Posts: 4414 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | Sorry ... I think my Jung post came across as a bit crass on re-reading, and especially reading the earlier posts that I had missed befoore, my comment mainly being in response to the Gibran quote ... I think it is far more complicated than I made out and yes, see too the difficult choice discerned by Disa ... | ||
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Alumni Posts: 534 ![]() ![]() | Paul, I didn't see what you said is being crass. I think Jung may have been on to something, too. | ||
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Student Location: Ellijay, GA | I did not find it crass either. And I'm sure it's much more complicated than I have taken it. Jung is someone that I admire, but even in most people I admire there is usually something I don't agree with So yes, I have a choice to make. Knowing myself I will probably stick around for years trying until I've worn myself thin. When someone shows a willingness to change I will try my best to help them. So far it has been to my own detriment, but I hold onto hope that one day it might actually work! | ||
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Alumni Posts: 534 ![]() ![]() | I'm the same way, Journi. Just remember it's okay to protect your compassionate heart if the time arises. Be well... | ||
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PhD Alumni Posts: 4414 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | A propos the Ophiucus post, I noticed that Compatibility and Combustibility as words seem to differ only in the 'a' and the 'us' in the middle!! | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 1938 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | Of course, I could be miles off the mark, but I can’t help a sneaking feeling that this relationship pf yours is a demonstration of how the characteristics of Sagittarius, the fiery freedom loving gypsy of the zodiac, and Taurus, the earthy, steadfast builder of the zodiac can be struggling to come to terms with each other, as likely as not within yourself as well as in your partnership. The following is an extract from ‘The Sun In Taurus’ 'In all dealings with Taureans it is much easier to get along with them when one appreciates and accepts their nature and temperament and approaches them accordingly. Many problems in our relationship with them can be avoided by never forgetting that it is all right to lead the bull to the water, but that it is most unwise to try to push its head into it. Taureans who are honest with themselves are likely to confirm that one does indeed invite trouble that way! Wouldn’t our world be a much easier place to live in, if we were all more aware of the inborn behaviour patterns of each other’s signs? Let no-one make the mistake of thinking that because of their slow reactions Taureans lack intelligence. They simply need enough time to absorb and integrate new ideas and concepts. Unless they are allowed to assimilate things at their own sweet pace, so they can gradually get accustomed to them, they are likely to become somewhat flustered and upset. Because of this indirect action is best when dealing with Taureans.’ With love and light, Aquarius | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 1938 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | We are magnetic beings and the law of attraction is at work in all life, including each one of us. This law sees to it that all human souls can only draw into their orbit that which they themselves are. Wherever we may find ourselves at any given time, that is always the right place for us to be. We are there to integrate certain lessons and the world around us can be used to help us find out what they may be. The environment is designed to act like a mirror of our unconscious inner self. At all times it is trying to help us become more whole by reflecting our inner world back to us. From 'The Dynamics Of Human Relationships And The Law Of Attraction’ | ||
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Student Location: Ellijay, GA | Aquarius, Actually he is Virgo, and I am Cancer. Funny, although I do definitely have many Cancer traits, I think he has more than me. He is sentimental and moody, and I am not. He tells me that I always look at things logically, not with emotion, which is pretty true. I do have emotion, I just don't let it run my thoughts and actions. I can say though I absorb energies like crazy. Living with someone that is constantly in a mood (usually not a good one) is extremely difficult on me. I have to really fight to not be overtaken by it. Sometimes it doesn't work. This is a very big problem because I am really making an effort to progress myself spiritually and it's almost like I have to keep starting over. It should not be effort, it should just flow. But I feel that I spend so much time and energy trying to "fight" the bad energies surrounding me that I just stay stuck right there in the middle, not being able to progress. I have in no way tried to change him, just guide and teach because he asks for it. But yes, I also try to help him to also benefit myself. It is very difficult when the majority of your time is taken up with someone else's wants, needs and constant moods. He wants my whole world to be about him, and he makes sure that it is. I just don't get a break from him. He calls all through the day, every single day, while he's working and sometimes we are on the phone for hours. He cannot go for a couple hours without talking to me. Maybe this is common in new relationships, but it has been every day for over two years (and he has been texting me the whole time I have been writing this!). He puts a lot of energy into thoughts, so I never know what I will be hit with hour to hour. His ego begs for me to appease it constantly. I do feel that my purpose in life is to help people but, like I said, I don't want to have to do that (constantly) in a relationship. He wants me to "fix him", but what I see is deep down he really justs wants me to say what he wants to hear. Yes, there are very good aspects to this relationship, but here I am just trying to deal with the not-so-good. It is completely draining me. I ask myself every single day if it's worth it, and always come up with different answers. Sometimes I feel that if I have to ask myself that question then the answer is pretty obvious, but then I see the potential and feel I should keep trying. I just don't want to break myself in the process. | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 1938 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | Dear Journi, J: Actually he is Virgo, and I am Cancer. Funny, although I do definitely have many Cancer traits, I think he has more than me. He is sentimental and moody, and I am not. He tells me that I always look at things logically, not with emotion, which is pretty true. A: I don't know how aware you are of the fact that there is a great deal more to human beings and their birthchart than just the Sun sign. It is equally important to find out their Moon sign and the position of both Sun and Moon, as well as their Ascendant, which cannot be found unless a time of birth is known. And that’s merely scratching the surface. All of us are complex creatures and many-faceted jewels in an earthly setting and that isn’t at all easy for anyone. If people were honest enough to admit it to themselves. J: I do have emotion, I just don't let it run my thoughts and actions. I can say though I absorb energies like crazy. A: That is very much a Cancerian trait, so this sign clearly is strongly in your own character makeup too. It couldn’t be any other way or you wouldn’t have attracted a Sun Cancer man into your orbit. We are magnetic beings and like does attract like. Oh yes, Virgo is ruled by Mercury, the winged messenger of the Gods of antiquity. It is a thinking sign and represents the intelligence and the wisdom of the Earth. Cancer is all emotions. For as long as they haven’t learnt to control their feelings, they can be extremely moody and fluctuating in their responses in keeping with the constant coming and going of the Moon. They love to wallow in self-pity too. I believe you cannot really get to know a Cancerian unless you know their Moon sign and its house position. J: Living with someone that is constantly in a mood (usually not a good one) is extremely difficult on me. I have to really fight to not be overtaken by it. Sometimes it doesn't work. This is a very big problem because I am really making an effort to progress myself spiritually and it's almost like I have to keep starting over. It should not be effort, it should just flow. But I feel that I spend so much time and energy trying to "fight" the bad energies surrounding me that I just stay stuck right there in the middle, not being able to progress. A: I can tell you from first hand experience that it is unwise to put up with such a situation – in the long run it can only harm you. If you insist staying with him, it is more than likely that you will gradually be pulled into a vortex of depression. To my mind that is a price too high to be paid for any relationship. J: I have in no way tried to change him, just guide and teach because he asks for it. But yes, I also try to help him to also benefit myself. It is very difficult when the majority of your time is taken up with someone else's wants, needs and constant moods. He wants my whole world to be about him, and he makes sure that it is. I just don't get a break from him. He calls all through the day, every single day, while he's working and sometimes we are on the phone for hours. He cannot go for a couple hours without talking to me. Maybe this is common in new relationships, but it has been every day for over two years (and he has been texting me the whole time I have been writing this!). He puts a lot of energy into thoughts, so I never know what I will be hit with hour to hour. His ego begs for me to appease it constantly. A: That sounds like a living nightmare to me. I don't know how you’ve been able to put up with it for two years. However, there may be light at the end of the tunnel in so far as you may soon find the inner strength to act and cut yourself free from him. Our lives move in two and a half year cycles. So, if this relationship started two years ago, it stands to reason that help will come naturally to both of you in the form of a change of energies which the Universe puts at your disposal. This usually means new lessons to be learnt and new people to be met. J: I do feel that my purpose in life is to help people but, like I said, I don't want to have to do that (constantly) in a relationship. He wants me to "fix him", but what I see is deep down he really justs wants me to say what he wants to hear. Yes, there are very good aspects to this relationship, but here I am just trying to deal with the not-so-good. It is completely draining me. I ask myself every single day if it's worth it, and always come up with different answers. Sometimes I feel that if I have to ask myself that question then the answer is pretty obvious, but then I see the potential and feel I should keep trying. I just don't want to break myself in the process. A: Oh, where have I heard that before and that only recently? A good friend of mine, Sun Virgo, had what she thought initially to be a wonderful relationship. It did not take long until she realised that it was actually a destructive one, very similar to what you are describing here. So, she cut her losses and they parted company – not without quite a few tears, on her side certainly. But, good sense prevailed, as I believe it will do in your case, too. It’s not for nothing that you are a Sun Virgo, the teaching and healing sign of the Universe. You have work to do. Please note that I am not in business and I don't do birthchart interpretations, but it you let me have your birth details and those of your partner, if possible, I may be able to give you a few pointers. If you don’t want these details to appear here on the forum, the easiest way to get in touch with me is through the Contact Page of my website. With love and light, Aquarius | ||
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Student Location: Ellijay, GA | Aquarius, I appreciate so much your taking time to write and offering your wisdom. It helps me immensely. I do have to say though, I can see from your responses that you had misread what I said. I can see that you are placing me as the Virgo and him as the Cancer. It is the other way around. He is Virgo, and I am Cancer. But I was stating that with his emotions he seems to have Cancer traits that I don't really have. I definitely was much more emotional when I was younger, but have very much changed in that regard. I do have emotion, but am not controlled by it. He acts on every thought and emotion as if it is truth. Over the years I have been told at times that I am "cold". I believe it's because I don't react out of emotion, more out of an attempt at rationality. Also, although I do have compassion, I am not incredibly sympathetic, if that makes any sense! Anyway yes, I definitely know there is much more than a sun sign. I have attempted at times to look further into astrology than the sun sign, but then I get lost and confused. Astrology has not been my strong suit! I would definitely love to have more details, though the only information I have is a birthdate. | ||
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UMS Guest Posts: 1938 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Location: United Kingdom | Dear Journi, Please accept my most sincere apologies for misunderstanding the situation. As far as your birth details are concerned, if you do not know the time of birth of either one of you, please let me at least have the name of the places where you drew the first breaths of your present lifetime. With love – Aquarius | ||
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Forum Administrator Posts: 462 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | As Moderator might I carefully interpolate here, with due respect to all concerned ... and confidentiality ... I think it might be best if individual birthdates are not disclosed on the very public site - especially the birthdates of others who are not or might not be involved with the site. I have just now logged on and had to delete yet more spam, which, thanks to the new 'system', has not appeared in public, but have no misunderstanding, many are reading these words who do not post - and some go on to post garbage. So if Journi and Aquarius will forgive, I will delete Journi's last post, or if I can just, the birthdate details ... no offence... Namaste O ok left in main part of post, only deleted the birthdates - yours and his .... ok? ps, Aquarius posted as I was posting ... if you have places of birth, please please do not post here ... though PM if you wish ... | ||
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