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Posted 3/22/2014 12:31 PM (#24939 - in reply to #24347)
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Bernard of Clairvaux said also that a person will not understand that final oneness with God until our final hour. Call it evolution, or transformation, or perfection, many see that effort is needed to reach our path to heaven. Bernard was fighting the thought that one can find a foretaste of heaven, because it was not final and therefore not complete. It was hotly debated at the time.

I do not know of the individual you mentioned Marten. The person I mentioned was also dead, for a short time. It was most illuminating to speak to her. I believe that you are speaking of this sort of death. Unless, we are speaking of resurrected individuals. i.e. someone whom was buried and buried with no hope for their return and returned.

Our body is our vehicle of life. I have been told that this too can be returned to life. Most people believe that one needs a body to be alive. What is heaven? I think that I can speak in faith that I believe the body too can find resurrection. I have a python search integrator that looks for such cases. It is something that I find inspiring at times. I use my search terms seldom now. I am finding it a little too morbid for me to enjoy it.

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Posted 3/22/2014 12:42 PM (#24940 - in reply to #24347)
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I have looked into the story of Beck Weathers'. Are we speaking about the mountain climber?
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Posted 3/23/2014 7:17 AM (#24942 - in reply to #24939)
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Bernard of Clairvaux lived from 1090 – 1153. Isn’t it good that by now we, i.e. our race, have been allowed by the Highest to find a great deal more understanding of the processes of life and the purpose and meaning of our presence on the Earth? With love – Aquarius

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Posted 3/23/2014 2:38 PM (#24945 - in reply to #24347)
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My love of Alchemy and the sciences make me aware and happy with our knowledge of all things earthly. Metaphysics gives me a sense meaning. Mystery is very much still about in my life. I am told it is also in the lives of others. I trust that this true and believe individuals who claim it.

Within the mysteries I find more mystery. Very few have come to claim that life can return to persons whom have died. Of course this is out of experience of most people and if the person who declares that they have this belief do not search for it. I know there is a presence of my progenitors in the oddest times. The love of heaven resultant is hope. I am saddened by the loss of loved ones. Death is no joy. But, being a part of life we go on. When I say "No fair." I am reminded that life isn't fair. I believe that justice is obtainable. I hope from your(Aquarius) statements that you agree that we can find this in moving into an eternal existence. Why I hope this I am unsure of. Your beliefs are your own. And, perhaps I presume too much. I love life. That is enough.

". . . Faith, hope, charity, and the greatest of these is love," as one translation of the bible says, are of greatest of importance. I always found this translation a curious statement. Love is more than appreciated. Unconditional love is impressive and difficult. You, Aquarius, impress.

Pax vobiscum,

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Posted 3/24/2014 8:47 AM (#24948 - in reply to #24945)
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The mystics of all ages have puzzled over the mystery of God. Did it ever occur to them that we ourselves are the greatest mystery of all? Well then, who and what are we truly? As mentioned earlier, each one of us is a spark of the Divine, of the Great Sun beyond the Sun, in the sky above us. Each one is special and unique; a tiny particle of an immense whole; and the only one of its kind, in the whole of Creation.

Everybody’s potential is unlimited, but before anyone can seriously begin to dream about fulfilling any of it, one first has to tackle the two main themes of our earthly existence: fear and pain. As there is so much of both in everybody, the need for overcoming all our fears and for our souls to find healing is equally great. Any distress our soul suffers always manifests itself through pain and discomfort in our physical bodies. When our fear and pain is over-powering, as they frequently are, there is only one way of finding peace and healing and that is through asking God and the healing Angels to help us.

From ‘Overcoming Fear And Pain’

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Posted 3/24/2014 11:55 AM (#24949 - in reply to #24347)
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Reaching out to those in pain is one of the great charities that one can share with the people that surround us. Life's complexity is left flatly when we encounter a person who is in pain. The act of charity we can give is often clear. One then must give it in this complex existence.
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Posted 3/24/2014 7:21 PM (#24950 - in reply to #24347)
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Around 300 B.C. the Greek philosopher Plato wrote of Er, the soldier, whose dead body lay in waste beside his fallen comrades for ten days. When at last help came, many were puzzled, for the body of Er had not decayed as had the others. Confused, Er's relatives took him home for burial, but upon the funeral pyre he revived, stood up, and recounted what he had learned while on The Other Side for all to hear. He then set about educating people concerning the spiritual truths that had been revealed to him, teaching them how they could live more fulfilling and satisfying lives. (History leaves in doubt whether the story of Er was created by Plato, or a true report.)

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Posted 3/25/2014 8:05 AM (#24951 - in reply to #24950)
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cause - 3/25/2014 1:21 AM Around 300 B.C. the Greek philosopher Plato wrote of Er, the soldier, whose dead body lay in waste beside his fallen comrades for ten days. When at last help came, many were puzzled, for the body of Er had not decayed as had the others. Confused, Er's relatives took him home for burial, but upon the funeral pyre he revived, stood up, and recounted what he had learned while on The Other Side for all to hear. He then set about educating people concerning the spiritual truths that had been revealed to him, teaching them how they could live more fulfilling and satisfying lives. (History leaves in doubt whether the story of Er was created by Plato, or a true report.) mentioned on iands.org

How does your inner teacher, the wise one or the living God within, who communicates with us through the world of our feelings, respond when you read this story? Mine says: 'It's a fable and a legend, no more.' With love - Aquarius

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Posted 3/25/2014 12:13 PM (#24953 - in reply to #24347)
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While dismissed by a great number of the community, Life after death is spoken of in many places of the world and in the present. The burden of proof for life is being discussed. I tend to believe that science lacks any sort of measure for the direct change of a lifeless person into a living person. Or, if they do and will the transformation is imperfect. Some persons that have come back from a apparent death are mentally ill. some are hidden for there protection. The heavenward spirits of the departed come to me as impressions and the strength of small messages. The ontological experience I have is a spiritualism that I am unsure of the philosophical root of. In immediacy I call it an aesthetic an look to keep it as a metaphysics. I do not require anyone to believe as I believe. Your skepticism is understandable and I too believe in the rest and peace of heaven. As I explore the webs' comments on resurrection and the afterlife I learn. I think of this search as approachable. I would even want to participate.



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Posted 3/25/2014 5:40 PM (#24954 - in reply to #24950)
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Hello all:

     For those inclined to pursue the "Myth of Er" (myth in ancient Greek meaning story or account) here is a link to a nice little audio lecture:

 

 http://www.ldysinger.com/MONS_423/01A_Vis1_Pla_Cic/03_Myth_Er.htm

 

Peace, Plato, Knifo, Forko and Napkino,

Marty and LuckyLee 

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Posted 3/28/2014 8:04 AM (#24960 - in reply to #24954)
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Sun Scorpio Marie, Queen Consort of Romania, 1875-1938 wrote towards the end of her life: ‘The God within us! That’s what really counts … that fundamental something that makes part of the ‘beyond’, which leads us upwards in spite of ourselves … towards a light out of which we came and to which we surely return, if we do not allow our spirits to go down in the mine! A light which shines in our souls, a beacon signalling to us from somewhere beyond this quarrelling, hating, doubting, betrayed and betraying, sad suffering world.’ Later still, bravely tackling her twilight years, she wrote: ‘It is not in vain that, on decline, so much is taken from us. It is so as to prepare us for the end. To sow the seed of longing for another life in our tired souls.’ From ‘Born To Rule’ by Julia Gelardi.

From The Age Of Aquarius

‘Healers And Healing’


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Posted 5/1/2014 11:44 AM (#25052 - in reply to #24347)
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Art imitates life so they say. It may be old and political, but Dante describe the afterlife to the best of his abilitys. He based his knowledge on the theology of the Time. Although you might find that it is contradictory to descibe art imitating life, etearnal life is described by some(and me previously as enevitable. I have come to the conclusion that if consciousness is life this is undeniably so. The strength of mind in this case is part of my consideration as is my slight tendency toward an attraction of the madness of the ideologue. If we are to be immortal I would like us to know that we are immortal. Pure consciousness is considered as a future condition of ourselves but, what is it? I would as others might be dead to death. This is personal. The immortal can share by consciousness and through communication immortality even if immortality is shared in this life alone. Impass is thus defeated. Life goes on. Spinning in infinity we are one with the creator. His gifts mean everything.

Pax,

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Posted 5/2/2014 6:25 AM (#25054 - in reply to #25052)
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Love is the law and the nature of the Universe. It is humankind’s true nature too. It is a force that is stronger than the best quality steel could ever be. Steel belongs to the Earth plane, but love is of the highest levels of life, known to us as God. Steel  has to decay like all earthly things. It rusts and deteriorates and its molecular components are eventually returned to the Earth, the same as anything else that consists of matter. Love, however, is of God and therefore eternal and immortal. It has the power to survive and conquer all obstacles that may ever get in our way. If two people are tied together by difficult Karma, once they have dealt with it by resolving the outstanding issues between them, they are ready to form a loving relationship that will last forever. This does away with the need for grappling any of our friends to our souls with hoops of steel, the way an old saying advises us to do.


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Posted 5/2/2014 1:59 PM (#25055 - in reply to #24347)
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Death will never be a love for the entire people. I need to avoid the stare of the abyss for a time. Love is indeed ". . . The greatest pain reliever there is," and it can (also) be cruel. Reconsile it if you can. I now need to live to life. The dead can wait even when they wait for love. Many of us do.

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Posted 5/10/2014 2:41 PM (#25085 - in reply to #25055)
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'As the great American poet wrote, ‘Death is the Angel sent who draws the unwilling bolt and sets the captive free’. Then when the time comes for the body to be laid aside, there should be no grief. The spirit has not passed from your vision. The spirit is near you. Where there is love there is no separation. The spirit of the one left behind merges with [that of] the released spirit. The law of harmony prevails, the law of reunion. The two come together as one. Yes, Earth life is a hard school, but you will not find it so hard if you draw aside the curtain and live conscious of the limitless spiritual life.’

 
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Posted 5/15/2014 6:51 AM (#25096 - in reply to #25085)
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I believe that there is no such thing as Judgement Day. Because the Universe loves us, it never judges anyone. Instead, we are required to evaluate ourselves. Only when the purpose of any given lifetime has been fulfilled is the human soul called back home. It makes no difference at what earthly age this takes place and in what manner we depart from this plane. To talk about anyone’s earthly demise as ‘untimely’, to my mind, means to doubt the great wisdom and love of our Creator. The Great Spirit is the Father/Mother of all life. This is the highest authority over everything in the whole of Creation and the only one who has any true power; nothing is beyond or outside Its will. Therefore, no soul’s departure from the Earth plane ever takes place without Its consent and that applies to any kind of death, including suicide.
 
No matter how low a soul may have fallen or how depraved it has become, in the course of this lifetime or any other, none of us will ever be beyond the love, the mercy and the forgiveness of God. This is the only authority in the whole of Creation who can truly appreciate when any soul’s mental, physical and/or spiritual struggle has been going on for long enough. When the suffering of any particular soul threatens to be more than the amount that is good and reasonable for its growth to endure, the Angel of Death draws close and releases us.
 
I do believe that the manner and the moment of our death are predestined and that suicides are no exception to this. After all, it is but one of many ways of returning to the world of light. Nothing in God’s Creation can ever be truly lost and every experience is valuable somehow. And the great transformation from one state of life into the other is always intended to provide valuable lessons for all involved, on both sides of the veil of consciousness that separates our earthly existence from our true home, the world of spirit.
 
From Suicide – Not The Answer
 
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Posted 7/5/2014 6:52 AM (#25243 - in reply to #25096)
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Do Suicides Go To Hell?

Part One

One of the many false beliefs that have been haunting our world far too long is that suicides will go from this plane of life straight to hell and that they will in all eternity be condemned by God and the Angels. Many to this day seem to quite seriously believe this to be true, when nothing could be further from what really happens. Not that such erroneous views would ever have stopped anyone who seriously intended to finish their present lifetime by their own hands, when they had had enough and could no longer cope with it. But, it surely is a belief that piles a great deal more suffering unto any troubled soul who believes it to be true, as some do to this day. Unaware that anything lies beyond or behind humankind’s present existence, all such souls can hope for is that they will be snuffed out like the light of a candle and disappear into oblivion, without leaving a trace of their being behind and that forever.

First, however, let’s have a look at Heaven and Hell – are they really places anyone goes to? To me, they represent the various states of consciousness, which we create for ourselves and each other, in the here and now. Because we have freedom of choice, it always has been up to each individual whether to create a living hell for ourselves and those around us or to bring our own ideas of Heaven down to Earth in our daily lives.

All human souls throughout every one of their many lifetimes in physicality are in constant search of consciousness expanding experiences that increase their understanding of God’s true nature and of their own, and of the wisdom and truth of their Creator as it expresses itself on the Earth plane. For every soul there eventually comes the moment of awakening into the realisation of who and what they truly are and always have been, namely sparks of the Divine and eternal and immortal beings of light, who can and will never die. This quest continues until the soul has fully come home into the conscious awareness of its oneness with God and all life.

The experiences of my present lifetime have taught me that Hell on Earth is living without spirituality and without the conscious knowledge of the purpose and meaning of our present existence. At our entry into the Aquarian Age ever more of us are finding to our astonishment that God is something quite different from what we were told in past ages, namely that God is in you and me and in everything. Having succeeded in bringing my own small piece of Heaven onto the Earth, I am happy to share it with anyone who wishes to join me in it by partaking of my reflections and insights into the spiritual background of life.. Welcome to my Heaven, dear Friend.

Together let us now take a look at whether anyone really does go to hell for committing suicide. If there really were such a place of torment, would there be any need for people to visit it after the living hell they must have endured on the Earth plane, which drove them into considering finishing it all by their own hands in the first place? What else could bring about in human beings a state of mind when they can no longer tolerate their troubles, until eventually they cannot see any other way out of their misery?

When it is destined for one of us that our suicide plan should succeed, we are sure to believe that we have reached Heaven – or at least some kind of heavenly state –when the Angel of Death gently takes us by our hand and leads us through the veil of consciousness from our present hellish existence into our other world, the one of light. What heavenly bliss when, after a period of resting and recovering there from the stresses and strains of Earth life, the wise ones in charge of us take us under their wings. They explain to us where we went astray on our pathway through life and show us how we could have done better.

In this way the wise ones help us to draw the learning from the lessons that lie behind us and can benefit from them next time round. Having arrived in the world of spirit, every soul eventually comes to the conclusion that, rather than staying there forever, it would be wiser by far to get on with our evolutionary pathway and continue to grow and expand our consciousness through new encounters and experiences. And so it is likely that we shall apply for another lifetime in the not too distant future. As incredible as this may seem to you now, if you are feeling suicidal and are reading this, it is nonetheless the truth, as each new lifetime on the Earth creates a plentiful supply of fresh opportunities for resolving outstanding issues, mending and healing any disturbed relationships that have been left behind, and repaying our Karmic debts.

When we no longer wander around in physical bodies in the world of light, we cannot help being aware of our real higher nature as spirit and soul, who from time to time spends one of its frequent lifetimes on the Earth plane. In that state is much easier to come to terms with the fact that the purpose of all life is evolution and that this quite naturally also applies to us. There is then no longer any doubt in our minds about our true identity as a beloved child of the Great Father/Mother of all life. As one of those we pay careful attention to what the wise ones have to say.

The wise ones are all too familiar with the extent of humankind’s suffering on the Earth and many of them once walked there, just like us. And irrespective of what we left behind in Earth life, those in charge of us never sit in judgement over anyone. They truly are our friends who love us and deeply care for us. It is up to every one of us individually whether we wish to follow their guidance or not, for at all times we are free to make up our own minds and decide for ourselves on our preferred course of action or inaction, as the case may be. Our kindly advisors know only too well how hard and difficult Earth life with its harsh living conditions can be at times for soft and sensitive human souls. They appreciate how lonely and frightening an existence it can be for as long as our small and easily frightened earthly self remains unaware of why it has to be on the Earth and take part its life. It takes a long time until we become aware that in truth none of us is ever alone, although it frequently appears to be that way.

Whether we are as yet aware of it or not, the wise ones are constantly around and with us. They appreciate how hard it is for human souls to play their role as earthling, when for a very long time for educational reasons we have to remain unaware of our true identity as a beloved child of God, and that like Him/Her we have a masculine spirit and a feminine soul, i.e. the soft and sensitive feeling side of our nature. Each one of us has to spend many lifetimes on the Earth before we once more become aware that God is as much part of us, as we are part of God. Once we have matured sufficiently we begin to grasp how our Creator Father/Mother really does know the way of all life, for the simple reason that S/He is there with us and accompanies us through every one of our errors and silently endures everyone’s toils, troubles and pains, confusions and struggles.

This is how it comes about that our Creator knows the heart and soul of every human being much better than we ourselves do. S/He knows much better than anyone else will ever be able to do that for the period of our development as mere earthlings, it is impossible to be genuinely thankful for our earthly education. God appreciates that giving thanks and praise for everything that ever was, will be and now is, has to wait until such times when our earthly self has joined its spirit and soul in their conscious awareness of our true nature and origin. When our inner doors open, our understanding of the meaning and the higher purpose of life increases and our consciousness expands, the way it is meant to do during each subsequent lifetime.

In the course of our long evolutionary cycle, time and again we return to the Earth plane to attend to unfinished business, resolve outstanding issues and heal relationships in which someone got hurt in past lifetimes. This continues until we can deal with these things in the masterly fashion that is in keeping with our true Divine nature. Our conduct then shows the wise ones that all our lessons have been thoroughly absorbed and that our earthly education is complete. Only then will they allow us to move on to learning experiences on the higher and eventually highest levels of life.

Recommended Reading:
From ‘The Spiritual Aspects Of Depression And Suicide’

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Posted 7/8/2014 7:14 AM (#25252 - in reply to #25243)
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Do Suicides Go To Hell?

Part Two


From ‘The Universal Christ Now Speaks To Us And Our World‘

One day when I was in great discomfort, I prayed:
‘Please, save me from pain!’
The Christ responded with: ‘To help you bring forth
My Divine characteristics, so that you can grow ever closer to Me,
Each one of My children of the Earth
Must become familiar with pain.
Unless you have waded through painful experiences yourself,
How else can you hope to
Appreciate the depth of another’s suffering?

As you can see, your suffering and worldly cares
Are essential parts of your earthly education.
They are My teaching aids that with the passage of time
Slowly take you back home into the oneness with Me,
Until you are fully re-united with Me.
So rejoice! The more profound your struggles
And the deeper your pain,
The closer your spirit and soul can draw to Me.

This is how, for a very long time unbeknown to your earthly self,
Your consciousness expands and your soul grows.
Yet, it can only do so through each living their own lives,
Gathering their own experiences, and feeling their feelings,
Sadness as much as joy, and happiness as much as pain.
So, whenever something seems too hard or heavy for you to bear,
And wherever you may find yourself, never despair!
Just reach out for My hand, call for Me and I will be there.

I am the only one who can help you work your way through whatever comes your way,
And although you are but one tiny twig on the tree of life and knowledge,
Each one of you is a many-faceted jewel,
Priceless, precious and loved beyond compare and of immense value to Me.
You are one of the most beautiful flowers in My eternal garden and
I am the gardener, who prunes you constantly,
So that you may flower and mature and bear ever more fruit.’

In spite of all that was said before, I had the audacity to say:
‘Please, give me only the things of life I enjoy.’
And the Christ replied: ‘Beloved child,
Isn’t it blessing enough that I have created you and given you life?
From love you come and to love you return,
For love is My true nature and yours.
You are on the Earth plane,
So that one day you will find the truth that is in Me.
And when I grant you the gift of the wisdom to comprehend it,
You will be able to appreciate and recognise that
Everything that is in your life is a loving sacrifice from Me
And that things, people and every experience
That comes your way are included in this.

My thanks goes to Twocky from the Depression & Suicide Forum for providing the inspiration for this new chapter of the ‘Random Jottings Of A Stargazer’. Thank you, Twocky, and all the best on your own healing journey of a thousand miles.

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Posted 12/30/2014 10:15 AM (#25761 - in reply to #25252)
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Nothing changes with the death of our physical body. We remain the same one we always were. Our feelings and desires remain unchanged. All we have done is shedding our outer shell like a worn out overcoat. Eternity is here and now and everywhere. Each moment we spend on the Earth plane and all other worlds is an integral part of Eternity. Any loss on our present level of life is the spirit world’s gain. On the other side of the veil of consciousness each death in our world is always a happy event, because one of us is reborn into the full awareness of their true reality and is therefore coming home. We are eternal beings of light. There is no death and we cannot die. It’s just that from time to time we have to gather our experiences, so that we may learn from them and grow, on different levels of life  – that’s all.

From ‘The Sailing Ship – An Allegory’

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Posted 1/5/2015 6:53 AM (#25769 - in reply to #25761)
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Going Home
Going home, going home.

We’re all going home.
Quiet like, some still day,
That’s the way we’re all going home.

It’s not far, just close by, through an open door.
Work all done, care laid by – fear and hurt no more.

Mother’s there, expecting us – Father’s waiting too.
Angel folks are gathered with guides and friends we know –
Guides and friends we know.

Morning Star lights the way – Earth-bound dreams all done.
Shadows gone – break of day – real life’s just begun.
There’s no break, there’s no end – just a moving on.
Wide awake, with a smile – going on and on.

Going home, going home – we’re all going home.
It’s not far, just close by – through an open door.
Going home, going home, I’m just going home.

Though I have gone before you,
I did not do so alone and neither will you,
When your time for saying goodbye to the Earth plane has come.
God and the Angels are forever with us,
Keeping you and me safe.
And no matter where we may ever find ourselves,
We shall always rest securely in God’s loving hands.

William Arms Fisher
Edited by Aquarius
Sung to the well known tune from
Dvorak’s ‘New World Symphony’

From ‘Comfort for the Bereaved’
 
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Posted 1/5/2015 2:38 PM (#25770 - in reply to #25769)
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Well these are indeed, words of comfort for the bereaved and thank you Aquarius for posting.

But are they more than words or memories, or indeed, possibly false memories?

To those who have died and returned from the dead, and have seen the white light, it could be replied, that they have not actually died, as they are back with us, could it not?

To those of us who see the white light everyday, could equally be said, that is the white light of the dark night of enduring this condition that is called life.

To those who might argue, that suicides go to Hell, then I would say, Hell must be a wonderful place, as it is populated by the most sensitive souls who have ever been in this world.

Do we know anything, or know nothing in this life, and is that question the essence of Socrates' wisdom?

It is perhaps also the beauty of the Zen, or the quintissential moment, that all we can know is an experience of Now, if we are prepared to apprehend it: and anything else that has gone before, or might come after, is, or was, or is yet to be, or might not be, is only the merest shadow.

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Posted 1/6/2015 6:59 AM (#25771 - in reply to #25770)
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Dear Paul - thank you for sharing your observations and reflection on this theme with us.

As far as the wisdom of Socrates is concerned, I would hope that we as a race have evolved and learned a great deal more since that particular appearance of his on the Earth plane. The Heavens alone know what he might be doing now - if indeed, he ever lived. Some believe that the story of his lifetime is also a legend. 

We all have walked the way into the world of light a great many times, of that I am sure, and we do know what it's like. But for good and wise reasons the wisdom of the Divine has decreed that a veil of consciousness should separate us from that world, so that we should get on with Earth life, learn to trust the goodness of our Creator and the life S/He has created for us and take our chances.

With love - Aquarius

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Posted 1/30/2015 7:31 AM (#25821 - in reply to #25771)
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To The Ones I Love And Who Love Me

‘When I am gone, release me, let me go.
You and I, we both have many things to see and do.
Do not tie yourself to me in tears.
I gave to you my love and you can only guess
How much you gave to me in happiness.
I thank you for the love you have shown,
But, for now it’s time for me to travel on – alone.

So, grieve a while, if grieve you must.
But not for me, only for yourself and
For the hole my passing has left in your life.
Then let your grief be comforted by trust,
And remember that it is only for a while that part we must.
Bless the memories within your heart,
And know that no love is ever lost.
Life is eternal – it goes on and on,
Not just for you and for me, but for us all.

You and I can now come closer than we have ever been;
I shall never be further away from you than a thought.
If you need me, call and I’ll be near.
Although you can neither see nor touch me,
Know that I am there.
And when you listen inside your own heart,
You are sure to feel my love too, soft and clear.

And then, one fine day –
When you must come this way –
Alone – I shall be there to greet you,
With a smile I shall welcome you home.’

Fr. Pat Lennon
Edited by Aquarius

From ‘Comfort for the Bereaved’

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Posted 1/31/2015 7:02 AM (#25823 - in reply to #25821)
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The Prophet – On Death

Then Almitra spoke and said: ‘We would ask now of death.’
And the Prophet replied:
‘You can only begin to understand the secrets of death
When you know that first and foremost you are a spirit and soul,
And start to look for them in the heart of life itself.
You will then become aware that in truth there is no death,
Only transformations when each one of you,
Time and again at the end of yet another lifetime,
Returns into another state of consciousness.

Birds are messenger of the world of spirit or light,
Your true home, from where you once came
And to which you return at the end of every earthly lifetime.
You have been granted the gift of another sojourn on the earthly plane,
So that you may grow in wisdom and understanding,
And with the passing of time evolve into
A seeker of God’s wisdom and truth, a human owl.

On the Earth owls represent symbols of wisdom,
But there are two types of these birds.
In the early stages of your education in the school of earthly life
You are like one of those who can only fly and hunt at night,
Because their eyesight is very poor in daylight.
However, as you proceed on your evolutionary pathway
That in the end takes you back into
The conscious awareness of your true nature and
Your oneness with God and all life,
You become ever more evolved and gradually grow into
A likeness of the second type of owl, who can see
Equally well by day and night.

Because you are constantly learning something from your experiences,
You are growing wiser all the time, until eventually there
Comes a moment when you discover that you are beginning
To find what you are looking for as well in the darkness of Earth life,
As you do on the other side of the veil of consciousness.
In the past this separated your two worlds like a curtain as much for you,
As it does to this day for many of your siblings in the human family,
While for you it is ever more disappearing.

For as long as you remained trapped in the initial darkness
Of the dungeon of the ignorance of an earthly existence,
And remained ensnared by the belief that this state
Was your only reality and that this was all there is to life,
You could not see beyond the end of your nose
And it was impossible for you to perceive
The vast horizons of the higher and highest dimensions of life.
For as long as you stayed on that evolutionary level,
You found it hard to grasp and unveil
The mysteries of life and death, darkness and light.

To enable you to understand the spirit of death,
The Divine spark in you first had to awaken,
So that your heart could open wide unto all other aspects of life,
Until finally you grasped that in truth
Life and death are one,
The same as a river and the sea,
Into which it pours itself, are one.

Your Creator deeply and permanently imprinted
The silent knowledge of the higher and highest aspects
Of life, your true home, into the memories of your soul.
From there they continue to surface in your hopes and dreams
In a longing and yearning for the world you once came from,
With none of the trouble and strife of Earth’s harsh environment.
Such dreams lead you to your highest aspirations.
Nurture and care for them, so they can light your way home.
Like a seed that patiently waits beneath the snow
For the arrival of spring, your soul has never given up the
Hope of one day returning into that existence.
Trust these dreams, for they are the key that
In due course will unlock the gates of Eternity for you.

And what about your fear of death?
It can be likened to the trembling of a shepherd,
Who stands before his King, waiting that he should lay
His hand upon him in honour.
Is the shepherd not joyful beneath his trembling,
Although he knows that he will soon be wearing his King’s mark?
But even so, before the event he is more mindful of his trembling
Than of the gift that awaits him.
And what is ceasing to breathe the air of the Earth,
But the freeing of your soul from this planet’s restless emotional tides,
So that it may rise, expand and seek God unencumbered
By a physical body and the concerns of Earth life?

Only when you drink from the river of the silence of
The world of light, your soul truly sings.
And only when you reach the top of the spiritual mountain
The real ascent begins.
And only when your physical body has been returned
To Mother Earth, to which it belongs,
Will you once more know for sure
What your role in the great dance of life has been all along.

As one of God’s beloved children of the Earth,
You are a spark of the Divine,
An immortal being who has all Eternity to look forward to,
Filled with ever more new explorations and fresh learning,
Safely guided and protected by God and the Angels.
Whether you believe in them or not, at any given time,
They will forever be around you, with you and part of you.

From ‘The Prophet’ by Kahlil Gibran 1883-1931
Lebanese/American poet
Edited by Aquarius

From ‘Comfort for the Bereaved’

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Posted 3/10/2015 7:42 AM (#25964 - in reply to #25823)
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Do I Have To Have Another Lifetime On The Earth

In case you are sometimes asking the question whether you have to have another lifetime on the Earth, the simple answer is: ‘No, you don’t!’ Nobody forces any one of you to return to the Earth. But, having passed through the period of stocktaking and resting in the heavenly state, and knowing that the purpose of your existence is evolution, after a while your soul becomes restless. You realise that, if you ever wish to be released from the treadmill of cycles of lifetimes in physicality, there is nothing for it but calling upon the Angels and applying for another one.

Following the advice of the Angels, most souls eventually choose another period of studying earthly life and helping their siblings in the great human family on that plane with their spiritual evolution. We assure you that every man and woman and child who ever walked the Earth has left behind an indelible impression on the ether and has tried to contribute to making your world a better and more beautiful place for all, even if only by stimulating the light of spiritual awakening and awareness in another soul.

All gifts, be they material or spiritual, can only come to you through the effects of the law of Karma, and by the will of the Great Father and the wisdom of the Great Mother. Nothing in the whole of Creation happens without them. One of your most vital earthly lessons is learning how to discern between the value of physical and spiritual things. Spiritually, it is better by far for you to lose all worldly possessions and through this receive Divine illumination than clinging to earthly things and concerns.

Every one of you contains the Christ spirit. At first it only appears as a tiny bud on the great tree of knowledge. From this state of spiritual childhood it grows into adolescence and eventually adulthood. There then comes a time during one of your earthly sojourns when you have to decide which master you wish to follow from now on. Serving both of them at the same time is impossible. For every human soul there comes the time when the pull of the desires for the pleasures of your lower earthly nature has to be freely and willingly surrendered by you. This is necessary, so that the saving grace of the Christ Spirit, whose spark you are, can awaken and come fully alive in you, until this aspect of your nature gradually takes over your whole being.

All of this does not have to mean that wealth and abundance of earthly things are wrong, as they provide your soul with tests and trials of a different nature. Before a soul is reborn on the Earth plane, its Karma decides the pathway of the coming lifetime. In spite of this, the soul itself has a certain measure of choice as to the kind of life it would like to lead. Those who choose to respond to the drawing of God’s light and are longing with all their strength to live in truth, love and mercy by giving service to their fellow creatures are sure to find their enjoyment in the riches of the highest levels of life.

Such souls do not mind being poor on the material plane of life, because their happiness has its origin in other things. For example, the beauty and wonder of God’s Creation manifested in Mother Earth’s gifts that are freely available to those whose inner eyes and ears have opened to the higher vibrations of life. During their present lifetime such souls are strengthened, supported and illumined by serving their Creator, whom they now recognise in all creatures and things. By turning their desires away from the darkness of the material plane to the light and glory of the spiritual life, they are building in their hearts a most beautiful state of being and heavenly home.

Extract from ‘Do I Have To Have Another Lifetime On The Earth?’

The above is part of my interpretation of the essence of a White Eagle teaching that appeared in Stella Polaris October/November 2013 under the heading ‘What the Saints Give Up’.

From ‘The Spiritual Aspects Of Depression And Suicide’

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Edited by Aquarius 3/10/2015 7:43 AM
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