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| I intended to enroll and did some research. I didnt consult a lawyer but my current impression is that you are not allowed to use any of the titles granted by UMS in Germany or probably any other country of the EU. That would only be allowed if UMS had an accreditation by the US Ministry of Education. I could even be sued if i used any of the titles.
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| Hello, and Hi! Lutic, I am not so sure the US has a Ministry of Education. I have traveled a BUNCH and seen other countries have "ministries" as a Government function, but as far as I remember we do not have to many "Ministry" Government functions like in the other places I have been. I do apolagise if this does not seem correct. Love and Light |
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Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida | Hello and welcome to the UMS forum
How accreditation works in the United States
http://www2.ed.gov/admins/finaid/accred/index.html
UMS accreditors
The AADP and the AAMA are the most prominent and related organizations at this time in the United States for accrediting a metaphysical institution. These are the only agencies in existence at this time that are "a grouping of our peers." University of Metaphysical Sciences is accredited by the AADP, American Association of Drugless Practitioners (www.aadp.net) and the AAMA, American Alternative Medical Association (www.joinaama.com). Please feel free to visit their sites and check our school listing with them. Students and graduates of University of Metaphysical Sciences are eligible to apply for membership within these and other organizations upon attainment of the degree that makes them eligible for acceptance by the respective agency.
The AADP and AAMA were established to meet the need of association and comparison to each other on the part of those who practice and teach metaphysics. It consists of many practitioners and schools. The University of Metaphysical Sciences has met all criteria of the AADP and the AAMA. Upon evaluation, University of Metaphysical Sciences was granted accreditation by both agencies. The two agencies are related. The AADP accredits the undergraduate degrees at UMS, and the AAMA accredits the doctoral level degrees at UMS.
Please also note:
Anyone teaching or counseling with credentials in metaphysical techniques is doing so in the field of religion as a legal minister, not as a psychologist. Your right to teach and counsel is not based on your doctoral degree. It is based on your ministerial status. This is perfectly legal and acceptable in almost every part of the world.
Upon completion of the Master’s Degree, the student becomes a registered reverend or minister. The student is ordained with all the rights, powers and privileges of an ordained reverend or minister through the parent non-profit organization of the university, Wisdom Of The Heart Church.
Every country has their own guidelines for acceptance or non acceptance of UMS credentials.
Hope this helps
Blessings
Leo
Edited by leo 1/9/2012 11:44 AM
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| Ok i did some further research on the topic and in order to be allowed to use the title in Germany the University needs to be accredited by Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching as a „Research University (high research activity)“ or as „Research University (very high research activity)“
Are there plans that the UMS is getting this accreditation? |
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| Hi Luthic,
So that I don't have to read this whole thread, by "use the title" do you mean the MM, PhD, etc.? If so, I will pass your research findings on to our staff and be sure it also gets to Christine's attention. When I get an answer for you, I'll post it here. Or perhaps I can get her to post an official response here herself.
Thanks,
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Location: United Kingdom | I am based in the UK.
When I was researching UMS before enroling, I had some e-mail interactions with staff. The web-site is quite clear where it says that this is a religious degree, not an academic one. Nevertheless I went on to enrol complete the programme, both DD and PhD, because I divined that UMS was/is unique in its integration of spirituality, healing and academic study.
I had in fact had offers of traditional PhD routes in the UK, but the traditional PhD is mainly research. UMS is different; it is holistic. Furthermore, all elements are required: in some taught academic doctorate programmes elsewhere, one gain gain credit for prior study/experience, in UMS one cannot, which I think is some sign of UMS rigour. My UMS doctorate and PhD are not recognised by the University that employs me, so I am not permited to refer to myself as Dr. Thompson. That is a source of daily niggle for me, especially as many of my collegues have traditional PhD's and so can refer to themselves thus. In no way though do I reget having completed the programme, nor being associated with UMS, because of its/your/our holistic and unique light-bearing work.
I attach a link to a UK national organisation that credit rates/checks out overseas academic institutions, if that is of assistance to the Webmaster and Christine.
http://naric.org.uk/
(and for Luthic, this is from the UMS web-page on Accreditation
NOTE: This is spiritual accreditation, not secular accreditation. (Secular means "non-spiritual"). Education at UMS is not a substitute for education at traditional or secular colleges. University of Metaphysical Sciences is not a Title IV school, which is what is necessary if you want to use federal student loans or grants. UMS does not teach math, English, or other required courses for credit at other colleges. Your degree at University of Metaphysical Sciences is not transferable for credit at secular universities and is strictly religious in nature. If you desire to pursue a secular degree such as engineering, law or medical professions, for instance, you cannot use a Bachelor's degree from University of Metaphysical Sciences to substitute for your lower level classes in that degree field with another college. You cannot attend UMS for the purpose of transferring credits among traditional secular colleges or for the purpose of getting federal grants or loans because the AADP and the AAMA are not recognized by the US Department of Education for that purpose. Those accrediting agencies are only for schools and practitioners. University of Metaphysical Sciences is a religious degree granting institution, and the degrees can only be applicable to such a field. University of Metaphysical Sciences is a religious exempt school and does not attain these types of accreditations because it is not preparing students for careers in secular fields.
http://www.umsonline.org/accred.htm
Edited by Paul Joseph 1/11/2012 4:49 AM
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| Zy, In non technical jargon if UMS were part of the system that the USA Government allow money to be leant to for attendance there, we would have the accredation and students could wright off the tution spent there for USA income taxes and list the school as a vocation on the tax lines... and get back some money for tuition from income taxes Love and Light |
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Location: Lampasas, Texas | Hello friends of UMS
do someone know now how this works with the titles i Europe?
Faithfully AURorA Ute from Italy |
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PhD Alumni
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Location: NE Ohio | I personally do not, because i live in the USA, but many other students live all over the world. Hopefully one of them can see this and answer.
I have no idea what Italy's requirements are. I do think Paul J lives in London, England. Not sure if their regulations would apply similar or not.
Again, good question to email direct to ums@umsonline.org
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Location: United Kingdom | Dear AURorA Ute
Hello and welcome to the Board, from the UK, where I am ... sorry not to reply sooner ... but I do not know the situation in Italy at all.
In the UK, the UMS titles do not seem to be recognised as academic awards (the UMS say itself on their accreditation section that the titles are religious awards and do not replace academic ones).
As for professional awards, the situation is also complex. In the UK something called the Health Professions Council is trying to regulate health and social care professions.
I'll send you a couple of links which might help.
Very best
Paul
Here are the links:
http://www.theswa.org.uk/Public/Law.aspx
http://www.hpc-uk.org/
Edited by Paul Joseph 7/2/2012 6:51 AM
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Location: The Heart of Space | Hello all,
May I also add that, when compared to the US, the UK is far more accepting of "degrees" that are non-traditional than the US is. The US is, indeed, very rigid. The number of non traditional schools in the UK far outnumber the number in the US.
Just an observation based on a small amount of research...................
Marty, Luckylee, Poppyhead |
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