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Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida | To any and all who might have or has thoughts dealing with death, I would like to hear from you. I'm considering writing a second dissertation on the topic. I'm particulary interested in the Christian views. My major thrust would be eastern v. western views.
I would appreciate whatever thoughts you may have.
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| Leo, On death and dying and other religions, if the goal is to provide a persuasive argument about the subject, I am not sure how that will turn out, as one day something feels like an important truth and my heart has to process it before it does not seem to apply anymore.... So if I find things that cause the weight of my heart to increase, then I need to look see why this is happening and what is the root cause of what I need to surrender.... But is you want to discuss Christianity and the covenant it falls under, is this material accepted by you as is....Another more personified way to ask the question is do you feel or believe that this is the old and new testament..... As I view it and as it is published to take away from the words or to add to the words printed there are not in our best intrest.... So the word testament is sort of a a living will and Logos.... We all make mistakes, with things, but do we feel heavy in our hearts because of it.... Bibles are good for people who who want to find God.... But there are also people who have an agenda, and use the Word to get what they want,,, or it sure seems this way.... So there is a single issue to look at if you use the bible as only a literary source.... The seals placed on the word and are they vaild.... Try to break one and you could find the error of your ways.... But everything in the bible if you believe it to be true in your free will choice is a promise that God can be requested to honor for your cause.... But there is a commitment of being willing to be tortured if you dishonor God//// So you sort of have to feel I would rather die than mistreat another soul if I were God.... Pretty simple understanding, So it seems to be a book that has some points of difference in, but who is human that can say I found a difference here and it is wrong.... There is the line upon line and precept upon precept and core belief of My life is to help others first before myself sometimes.... When we were children and were in the second grade and asked a teacher what sex was, were they supposed to be brutally honest.... So how do we handle subjects that just talking about it alters peoples perceptions of reality (Please remember we all have manifestation skills to some point, even as children) And if a child gets spanked for just hearing what someone else say because the felt strange emotions hearing word and then they get punished for being observant... We have to say that the way we as humans do things that are just the best we understand at the time... So in Revelations it warns of taking the mark of the beast,,, and everyone who does not take it will be killed.... So is this almost insanity to provide this choice, to ponder this choice.... I did ponder the choice, my decision was to personally starve first.... But what if there are children who are starving and I from a personal standpoint can find food no other way but to take the mark for the sake of a child... This is the intention of promise and what is a safe way to increase the level power residing in a human.... So do we just read this and say hole here and hole there or do we swear to do this as a blood oath Those dudes who are Freemasons take an oath where they promise to, in their initiation rights to not share the secrets they have with outsiders.... The power comes from the trust of the oath, that they will not divulge the secrets or would rather be gutted with their own knife.... So it is a power thing and oaths and covenants stand for something, if we believe and honor it Just like the principal of Jesus saying no greater love has a man that he lay down his life for a friend.... So it is a feeling that can only be properly described by an action to someone who is an outsider..... You can feel the sheer energy of a sacred soul, like there are witchdoctors that when they die, not even a vulture will touch their body..... There are what are called the bodies of saints, and they look to almost still be alive, and seem to emanate sweet oil.... So a conviction in the flesh strikes through to the spirit, and you are sort of there with the ones who stand in the face of opposition and wage with their own life to stop what is hurting what they love.... Not to just prove a point Love and Light |
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Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida | FF,
There is a lot to process here, so I'll have to get back to you.
btw, I am a Master Mason, not active at this time but I did go through the 3 degrees of the Blue Lodge. (Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft and Master)
So Mote it Be
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| Leo, I am not personally a mason and have never been to their ceremonies, but you previously said you were, so yes I figure you still were one Love and Light |
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Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida | FF,
Just a quick comment about Masons. There craft is embodied by thousands of years of teaching. In a nutshell, so to speak, they peacticed masonary in order to travel (as masons, you know with trowls compass, squares and building materials) to various towns and countries. At that particular time in history (dark ages) if you didn't belong to the masonic order you didn't stand a chance.That's why all the secrecy remains in tact today. Secret handshakes, coins and passwords are still part of the mystery. They also honor the wives, widows and children of Masons. You probably knew this but for anyone else not aware.
Of course you haven't been to a meeting, not without being iniated into the craft by many hours of memorizing the ritual. The basic introduction in the three degrees is based on the building of King Solomn's temple (from the biblical context).
Love and Light
Leo
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| A little off topic, and my apologies. I just wanted to say that my 2nd father was a Mason- and I did not know this until the Masons appeared at his funeral to perform his services, after the military did their part, of course. I am so intrigued by it all, but know virtually nothing about masonry. Just wanted to share as there aren't many people to discuss it with. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming  |
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Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida | Disa,
Often some of the older masons refrain from telling anyone or sometimes only the immediate family. Masonary is really quite an honorable society of men who meet to study and listen to lectures of good deeds and some not so good. They actually do a number of good things. The tennets of free masonary are found between the points of the compass and they are friendship, morality and brotherly love. The trowl is used to spread the cement of brotherly love and affection. The square is to square our actions so you see there is no harm as some would suggest. Some believe that anything that is of a nature of being secret is evil. The brotherly love isn't just for fellow master's but for all mankind. There is far more to this but as stated much is of a secret nature and as all that are raised in the Blue Lodge, I am sworn to secrecy.
So mote it be (the closing statement by all at the end of a lodge meeting)
Blessings
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Location: NE Ohio | As a human, we are ALL dying, since the minute we were born. Life as a human, is a process of dying and coping with that process.
Then, when we realize that it's all an illusion.... there is no death... it's ok to let go of such fear. I look forward to finally letting go of being human someday.... not now (i hope) but... someday i can say. I did it.... again. Whoohoo!
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Location: United Kingdom | Good points Jill; Christine Breese says something similar in the UMS Death and Dying course doesn't she? Cannot remember her exact words as I write this, but something like, Death is a required course in our journey here |
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Location: The Heart of Space | HelLeo......combined greeting and name...I saved the planet by reducing the use of an l, an o, and a space...but I just destroyed the planet by explaining how I was sooo clever.
My thoughts on death are post mortum, since I am, for all intent and purpose, already dead.
Bolivia has two capitals, Sucre and La Paz. The story goes that those born below the mountains cannot go up high and those born up high cannot come down. So, one capital serves the people at the foot of the mountains and the other capital serves those in the higher regions. We are not talking the difference between Denver and Baltimore....we are talking extremely divergent altitudes. Anyone who has ever been up high knows what it is like to not breathe and be breathing as hard as you can. Anyone who has been down low, knows what it is like to come back up....and will have a constant reminder if the rush to the surface is to fast. These extremes effect our bodies.
The ticky-tock that makes us go is a very very strong and vibrant muscle....but it is only a muscle. Unlike other muscles, it can withstand tons and tons and tons and tons of stress (and often does) but it will eventually show the signs of being treated in such a manner.
The smart money then tells us to curtail or eliminate activities that might cause the ticker stress, and some persons do this until they do nothing but stay in a fetal position all the time......hence they are "dead" and at the same time "unborn", as they are fetal.
It is not so much a fear of dying, everyone knows that he/she/you/me will die.....it is the loss of the life that we once knew that causes discomfort...and perhaps that does not even hold true in all situations....for think of the worst case scenarios.....where death is preferable to the next moment of life....where that which we all dread deep down inside, turns out to be our savior, and we beg for it to happen!
Peace and Perpetual Life,
PsychoMarty, Luckylee, Poppyhead (aka Ms. Wheezy.......uh oh..... she ain't no spring chicken)
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| Hi Marty, Well expressed, and very often true, this reminds me also of when spiritual entities come to work with us and the severe stress we feel when we are pulled up to a higher frequency to hear what is said, and they have to slow down so we can understand them.... XOXO |
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