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| Please let me deviate from the usual.
IS CHINESE PHILOSOPHY VERY DIFFERENT
FROM THE WESTERN WORLD? HAVE A LOOK
AT THIS. DO SOME OF THESE APPLY? IS THERE
ANY MYSTICAL CONNECTION TO THEIR
PHILOSPHIES? DO YOU SENSE ANYTHING WRONG? ANY COMMENTS?
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When without money, keep pigs;
When have money, keep dogs.
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When without money, eat wild vege at home ;
When have money, eat same wild vege in fine restaurant.
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When without money, ride bicycle;
When have money, ride exercise machine.
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When without money, wish to get married;
When have money, wish to get divorced.
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When without money, wife becomes secretary;
When have money, secretary becomes wife.
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When without money, act like rich man;
When with money, act like poor man.
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Man, O Man, never tells the truth:
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Says share market is bad but keeps speculating;
Says money is evil but keeps accumulating.
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Says women are trouble-makers but keeps desiring them;
Says high positions are lonely but keeps wanting them.
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Says smoking & drinking is bad but keeps partaking;
Says heaven is good but refused to go.
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In the rural area, chicken calls man awake;
In the cities, man calls for chickens.
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In the past, famous actresses will not sell their bodies;
Now, actresses will sell their bodies to become famous
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What is life about?
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At one, YOU are the top priority
10 ??????
At ten, academic excellence is the top priority
20 ??????
At twenty, getting dates is the top priority
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At thirty, a good career is top priority
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At forty, keeping your body in shape is top priority
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At fifty, beating others at mahjong is top priority
60 ??????
At sixty, keeping IT up is top priority
70 ??????
At seventy, remembering something is top priority
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At eighty, moving around is top priority
90 ??????
At ninety, knowing directions is top priority
100 ??????
At 100, having your portrait on the wall is top priority!
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Location: United Kingdom | I find it hard to comment one way or another, not least because no source is cited for these being representative of Chinese philosophy; nor do you say who has done the translations!
I have however, always found the Tao Te Ching one of the wisest texts that I have ever come across. |
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Location: The Heart of Space | Hi all:
Yes indeed, Paul! An observation worth noting.
If I may, the entry for 50 mentions mahjongg, which fits the Chinese motif.
Chinese Americans of that age might have said fan-tan....a card game played by immigrant Chinese to the US since the mid 1800's. You see, the Chinese were often stripped of their tiles since they were supposedly made of ivory or other precious/semi-precious material. Thus, players had to devise a game with something readily available, that being playing cards. Hence, the birth of fan-tan.
Now for the coincidence (as I believe life is full of such):
the card game called fan-tan played by the Chinese has rules of play that are very similar to a card game played by black Americans in certain urban environments (aka ghettos) called Tonk.
What do mad historians do with such information....why we conclude that immigrant Chinese and black slaves had interaction with each other; perhaps beyond the barriers of language. Perhaps, while building the transcontinental railroads, there was socialization of the indigent...or as the truism goes.....doesn't misery love company??
And now you see why we are mad historians!!!!!
Peace,
Hysterical Marty and Historical Luckylee and Poppyhead
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| Hi, Nel here.
Ferdinand Magellan discovered the Philippines in 1521. But the Chinese were trading already for a century before Magellan.
He was killed by Lapulapu in the island of Cebu, Philippines. Can't we not attribute the discovery to the Chinese? |
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| Nel, There are different history lessons taught in different parts of the world, so the stories told are different, depending on where you live World maps of Africa and Russia have them in the center of the world map.... I was very well versed on US Civil war issues, but never heard certain things about Canada during the US Civil war till I went to Canada.... So the teachers of the certain areas get to tell the stories their own way, or perhaps the way the publishers of that countries books state happened. I also imagine that the story of the American Revolution would be presented very different if it came from England, So stories have pain memory and Ego memory present in the way facts are presented Love and Light |
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Location: Bellingham | Neltor, I am interested in your finding these comments. In the western world we often lump these sort of comments as folk wisdom. i.e. something you find infrequently in the older population. people often disregard them a philosophy. many eastern philosophys are not considered as many want the complexity of the european philosophy. this approach to to phillosopy is the acceped philosophy is more accepted is europe an other lands that are european in descent. You likely have aproached this in reading more than just western or eastern which to me are unsatasfying blanket terms. this with the global sharring of knowledge is changing(to my delight)! I am unsure of the acceptance of the sayings you have written. They sound confucian in there brevity and pragmatic device. I would be interesed in there origin. Comment such as this are can be very much more than 'teabag' wisdom. before enlightenment chop wood and carry water. after enlightenment chop wood and carry water. (i am looking for an improved work situation). namaste, cause
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| Thanks. I would not really consider this philosophy but a living standard that occurs it most of China. It probably is changing with
the advancing changes in the modern society of china. Though changes may occur, some deep-rooted proactices lingers on.
Best of wishes. Hermaneli |
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Location: Bellingham | I would respond that statements of this sort can indicate thought within a sociaty. not all of them stand the test of time or are regarded at the time of there writing. some very much survive. And some are astuite. even if there not a complete philosophies. As others have stated there is very large difference between eastern and western phlosophies. perhaps this will change. I believe it will. Perhaps this is a good change. I hope you agree. cause
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| It will change. Things will change. We just hope mankind will not destroy the change. Then we go back to an old-time French
philosopher, "man is born, he suffers, and dies." To the EC followers there is no death. Just a transition to the other realm. |
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Location: Bellingham | Some people would say that change is a goad leading away from progress. An ambiguous change leaves ones true intentions hidden. some are enamored with the hidden. It can have an apeal. It can also be banal. trancending death is something saught time and again. but there are other things to trancend. The philosopher(you) perhaps caught himself in a philosophical disjunction, that being the suffeing he sees in life and the desire to transend death. Mankind will not destroy change dispite its possible joust with progress. See good in the world, for it is about. being caught between the bugbear of death and the chimera of an unknown trancendancy is a state of mind and argument I loath, and not from lack of experience. illiminate your suffering, you will live better for it. Die to death, there is no value in its state as a preoccupation. cause |
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Location: The Heart of Space | Causey and Nelly.......
I went back to this post because of the intriguing title; and I had previously posted. I read what you guys wrote subsequently, and must confess that I don't understand either of you.
So, let me start with something close to me:
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At 100, having your portrait on the wall is top priority!
In any culture I can think of, that is soooo wrong, unless the portrait is of oneself when one is young,.,....but think about why anyone HAD a portrait when they were young.....because their family had $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Otherwise, you spend your time serving those who have more than you do.
"You might be a poet,
or you might be a king;
you might be a vagabond;
or just about anything....
you might be the Devil
or you jus might be the Lord,
but you still gotta serve somebody...........
Everybody gotta serve somebody!!!!
Word Up Peace Out,
PsychoMarty, the Luckylee and the Poppyhead
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| Marty, Well put!!! But any age is the time to look inside and find the reasons we do what we do Love and Light |
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Location: Bellingham | No mruppert I don't think you understand us.
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Location: Bellingham | fox fires, I think I will take that as a complement^_^
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| I have contacted one (by email) that has recently migrated from China and has settled here in Australia. We will know
what he thinks of the portrait at age 100. My thoughts are: why will one be interested in his portrait when one could have
a degree of failing sight, dementia or Alzheimer's? Only a small segment of the centenarians have perfect health. Even if
I reach that age with no health problems, I would not be interested in my portrait. I wonder what others think. |
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| All, We can take a point for anyone to learn from, and realizing things as we grow have a way of causing reality to set in upon us, as reality can be like a string or a silver cord connecting us to other things.... But enlightenment seems to be finding what we can learn from life while not pointing the finger at others, but some points of release from oppression require this, so there are rich people who hoard money and resources and have thousands of pictures of themselves in a poor economic situation.... What can be learned, huh, I do not want to personally be like this.... But we are still thinking outside of the box and there is a perception learned here.... So yes we have to become aware of the truths as they become evident, and even if they point at a problem of another's, there is still a lesson to learn there.... So yea insight is like that.... There seems to be an incoherency when I try to explain something I see as wrong, but refuse to draw personal emotion on someone else's actions..... It means long explanations and people saying huh what did he mean, and I do wish they would get to the point.... So neutral expressions of universal understanding are not easy to unfold and are not picnic. So sometimes it is not good to answer a question when someone asks something? and the Buddha and Christ would also not answer questions in the truth whole truth and nothing but the truth format.... Imagine a life where every truth was explained to us in brutal honesty that could take us to the point of wishing we were dead for knowing it.... I have looked down this road, and this is why life sometimes only has things that are similar to the truth. I like to explain that when we become seeres of the truth and God, we do not stare this in the face, we have to look to the left and the right of it and sense the behavior, as close to the truth as we can safely look Love and Light |
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| One numerologist said we are controlled by numbers. Should this guide us? Here is Chinese numerology and Feng Shui for 2011.
This year we are going to experience four unusual dates: 1/1/11, 1/11/11, 11/1/11, 11/11/11, and that's not all; Take the last two digits of the year you were born and the age you will be this year and the result will add up to 111 for everyone!!!! This is the year of MONEY.
Also, this year, October will have 5 Sundays, 5 Mondays & 5 Saturdays. This happens only once every 823 years. These particular years are known as Moneybag years.
The proverb goes that if you send this to eight good friends, money will appear in the next four days, as is explained in the Chinese feng shui. Those who don't continue the chain, won't receive. It's a mystery, but it's worth a try. Good luck to you. This only happens once in 800 years!
Or will we all be affected by the downturn of world economy?
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