Hi Leohhh:

     Astute observations, and, which I very much see the same as you.

     I am not sure that the search inward to explain the otherwordly is "new" per se. I tend to think that this avenue of explanation has been around for years. Monasticism and the Hermetic lifestyle, even in days gone by, sought to connect with a universal consciousness. By default, the search ended in self realization and actualization.

     The concept that technology is married to consciousness is tantalizing but, alas, unsatisfying. The New Atlantis, which is a journal of technology, science and society, oftentimes addresses this theme in a practical way. For example, The Arab world (read Islam) turned away from science. The fundamentalist Christian world seeks to emulate Islam by doing exactly the same. So we can conclude that jihad and crusade are the same. And we can further demonstrate that the "evil" of technology is the primary weapon by which these truths are fought and won (or lost).

      If we are to actually examine technology (as in "a massive consciousness computer" we find a compelling yet distasteful truth. The vanguard of science seeks to make computers human. That is just not going to happen. Computers, even those armed with advanced AI logarithms, follow instructions. Humans do NOT follow instructions. Computers need a continuous source of energy...I pull the plug and the Cray super computer is a hunk of metal that is totally useless. While many humans are big hunks that are totally useless, just as many others are exceptionally talented and adept. Science approaches it bass-ackwards. We don't make computers human; we make humans computers! And, we do so for useful things. A computer can recite prime numbers  ad nauseum, but of what use is calculating a googleplex long prime number as long as we humans know what the nature of a prime number is. The statement of a prime number is not what makes it prime, it is the nature of the prime number that makes it prime and, hence, unique. 13 is 13. 13 is a prime number. But no one of us needs to remember that 13 is a prime number or that a million digit number is a prime number. To understand the concept, we just need to know that a prime is divisible by 1 and itself.

I am starting to ramble a bit, so I conclude: to say that input/output consciousness modeling is viable is so as bit of calculus and essentially correct. In being as correct as it is, it entirely misses the essence of consciousness. 13 is 13 and 13 is prime, But, 13 is also the cause of fear and superstition in many cultures and of celebration and joy in other cultures.

It is as if the guys you mentioned want to take back the bathwater that was thrown out, but have, once again, forgotten the baby that goes with it.

Leo, I always am enthused by your dos centavos...I hope you crank up to tres!

Your Pals, and bits and bytes of peace to all,

Marty, Luckylee, Poppyhead

Edited by me as I had too much t in distasteful...new laptop and I am not used to the keyboard.

P.S. Foxmania-I am now way way beyond Win 3.1...I have something called Windows 7 Lite....how did the Radio Shack dude know that I needed a dieter's laptop? Maybe he saw me eating not one, not two, but three slices of pizza at the Mall. That dude didn't know nothin' about Tandy computers or Micronta and had never heard  of a Zilog processor. He wasn't impressed that I knew what TRS meant, as in TRS-80. But he schooled me as to how to look at porn on the internet and not leave any traces....how do these 16 yo's know all this stuff?

Edited by mruppert 9/6/2011 8:43 PM

Hi J-O-J-O;

     Well okay, but God gave them to the guys who wrote a bunch of Torahs way before the Christian guys named Exodus and Deuteronomy got them. Maybe God changed publishers, ya think?

      So, what was the effect of the Ten Commandments?

      1) The bible guys wanted God to go around and promote the new book but God didn't like being on the road that much SOOOO he sent his son to do the book club/lecture/town hall circuit. This got his son in a world of trouble.

      2) Exodus, whose family called him Ex as a nickname, started a group that went around doing superpowerful things, and they became known as the Ex-Men. I think that part of the story is in another holy book or maybe in Marvel Comics, I don't remember which since we Catholics read both.

      3) Dueteronomy shortened his first name to Ron and revealed his last name, which was Jericho, but since that was taken by a Mt. Horeb World Wrestling Federation wrestler, he changed it, yet again, to Jerremy. I am to embarrassed to tell you what Ron did then for a living. But, he was definitely in "The Shores of Babylon" which I think is about Moby Dick frightening young woman bathers off the coast of Long Island, New York.

      Now, seriously, I am amazed at how people of certain beliefs speak of God as removed from themselves. My faiths (I have several formal belief systems and a universal understanding of how they fit together) all say that "God"...Leo will have another way of saying God, maybe universal consciousness?... is with all of us constantly. It is the Catholic belief that this is so. A large segment of Catholics don't read the Bible and those that do, read it selectively. I don't read it at all, unless Aquarius brings up something of interest, which she oftentimes does. We hear about the ten commandments via the gospel of Matthew and the letters of Paul to the Romans. Each dude doesn't really do all ten, but they get close to it....and in so doing state what has become known as "the golden rule" which in verbiage is not a commandment, in the Ex-Men Ron Jerremy sense of the Bible.

     I notice that you (J0X2) refer to God as male. How do you know that? To us, god is god. As the Muslims  say "God is God!" Some female oriented modalities  would have us believe that one or more supreme being(s) are female. That is okie-dokie by me.

But God is still God and God cannot be personified and cannot be known by us. What God does is accompany and guide us on our journey to become one with the energy that forms the fountain of creation, so that we might be one with  each other and all that has existed, exists now, and will exist.

Peace and Love to all, especially those that need it,

Martin Vincent, Luckylee, Poppyhead

Hey All,

In John 10:34 Jesus is indicated as saying Ye are god's... So there is the science of proof of spiritualism, and the religion of proof that we are all god's, or to some day be one.

But hey we can all go back and forth with reasons and what others have said, or come to the conclusion of what we believe is a mixture of life experiences and a knowing of past events, and future events and the connectedness to the reality surrounding us

Love and Light

We are tethered 91 million miles away from our burning sphere traveling through the vacuum of space at 67,000 mph 620 Million years ago, the length of the day was 22 hours and there were 400 days per year, and as the moon escapes at the current rate of 3 feet per hundred years. Days are projected to be 1 month long in 4 Billion years as the moon moderates our rotation in a wobbling orbit pulled by both the sun and the moon. the length of the lunar cycle is for a complete rotation
around us is 24 hours and 50 minutes as the tides. our tilt is about 23.4 degrees.

So the earth has a moon and the moon is like planetary (non synchronous) motor that drives our daily rotation or spin
If we loose our moon then the earth orbit would significantly increase the time it takes for us to make a full rotation around the sun and our tilt would cause us to either have a pole wobble where we float from north pole to equator being exposed to the sun or a loss of annual tilt. Experts are not sure of the consequences.

But life as we know it would DRASTICALLY change and the temperate climate conditions, would become minimal

Millions of years ago the moon would have been much closer and brighter to earth.

While looking at stars, the edge coming at you is blue and the edge leaving you or turning away is red, so if the moon were to take a trip away from us, the color would be red, as the bible indicates in revelations.

So why take life so seriously, as life as we know it was never intended to be here forever, and one thing we can do if find the humor and happiness in life.

Love and Light

The unfinished pyramid in Egypt was claimed by some to be linked to the birth of Jesus, as the bible indicates that Jesus was the cornerstone of man and the fulfillment of becoming spiritual.

The Three wise men or the Maji (same Greek word used for Sorcerer) who sought Jesus looked for the signs in the heavens, and if you look at the natal chart for when Jesus was born, there is a natal chart showing a cap stone at around the time Jesus was thought to be born.

Love and Light

Hi:

"My five cents worth (inflation) " - Leo's signoff

Believe it or not, I was ROTFLMAO, TFF, swtmn!

Can't explain why!

Marty, Lucky, Poppy

Hi Paul,

I have looked at multiple things relating to ancient civilizations.  My contusion is there is much more going on than we have been told.  Science, teachers, religion, and governments seem to be keeping things from us for our own good. 

Like if we consider the pyramids in Egypt that were to built in supposedly 20 years each,  we can not even do this today with our modern tools, knowledge and technique.

Love and Light