Posted 7/3/2009 8:13 PM (#15719) Subject: Why is two sacred?
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Hello everyone,
Sex. Through sex life as we know it, human life, physically, emotionally, intellectually, metaphysically, and spiritually on planet earth is created. Biologically and organically sex takes two, one male and one female; one egg cell from one woman, and one sperm cell from one man. Sex dose not exist except between a man and a woman. Its not "sex" if it dosen't. The union of one sperm cell and one egg cell begins the process of the creation known as a "baby" and that process is sacred and unique to one man and one woman. Its the reproduction of the life principle and that is "sacred." It cannot be done without "sex" as it is known and defined here.
Thats why the union known as marriage is known as "sacred" between the TWO. (Given all things being balanced and normal with love.) Now this is obvious as a
process in a universe where A = A. Its mysteriously not obvious in a universe where A = (not A). Just an observation.
Posted 7/3/2009 11:28 PM (#15722 - in reply to #15719) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Sex can happen without reproduction, and does all the time. However, in nature, in order to pro-create, yes, one male and one female for everything on the planet.
I guess it's sacred, because it stops others from killing another, for taking something they thought was theres. I mean, do you want your other half being sexed, because some random person could?
The union is love.... love is in two's.... but... I understand how it could be more than two, but now we are talking child support. LOL XD
No seriously.... It's sacred, because we want it to be. It's beautiful and meaningful that way.
I hear in the spirit realm, it's much different. Making love is like swirling around each other and it's done all the time. There is no jealously..... I read that in the book "Journey of Souls" by Micheal Newton. A physiotherapist that studied life between lives. The book fascinated me. It also described in perfect detail something I witnessed for myself. A beautiful moment, that was described by someone else, which made me realize that I wasn't halucinating. It was real and other experienced the same thing.... I for one, believe it to be so.
Maybe I choose to believe it... either way, I like my reality... yeah, I will keep it. *wink*
Good question though.... We may never really know.
Posted 7/3/2009 11:59 PM (#15726 - in reply to #15719) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Hi Jill,
I should haved mentioned this for me is for living on earth. Reproduction on a galactictic scale makes for a lot of spiraling motion, but its still a sexed phenomenon.
Always male and female. And who says were not the cause of it? When living in a sensed body unalieanable rights kicks into the process. Or you can call it boundries.
Its known. We may pretend not to know but we actually do.
Peace all through the swirling sexed electric cosmos,
Posted 7/4/2009 7:29 AM (#15729 - in reply to #15719) Subject: The Eternal Dance of the Masculine and the Feminine
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Dear Friends – here are a few of my reflections on the the theme of the eternal dance of the masculine and the feminine:
We all contain many puzzling dualities and polarities and our world is one of paradoxes. Some of these we shall explore in more detail later in this part of the jottings, others in future editions. For the moment, let us either become aware of or remind ourselves – you alone know which option applies to you – that we all contain feminine and masculine energies. This is because as sparks of the Divine everything that is in God is also in us; therefore, each one of is us both woman and man at the same time. For a very long time we have looked towards others to make us whole, but it is coming ever clearer that each one of us is already complete within themselves and that, in fact, we are on our way back into androgyny.
To be whole and holy again is every soul’s final goal and destiny. This requires taking possession of our other part, the inner man in women and the inner woman in men. When that has been achieved we shall once again be like the Angels and God; their feminine and masculine energies are in perfect balance and harmony with each other. Like them, we too are first and foremost spirit; the only difference between them and us is that we are temporarily encased in matter. Thus on the one hand, we belong to the world of matter and on the other one we are part of the world of spirit and light. For as long as we remain clothed in our physical bodies we belong to the Earth plane. However, this is only half the story; the most vital part of us is our spirit and soul and our true home is the world of spirit. Each time we leave one of our earthly garments behind, we return to this world to rest and recover from the stresses and strains of Earth life.
Posted 7/4/2009 7:39 AM (#15730 - in reply to #15719) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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one seeks oneness - two seek wholeness - can seeking manifest into a trap of desire? should we create ideals to enable us to accept? or do we just accept because its our nature as sons and daughters of earth to live in peace with law?
Posted 7/4/2009 4:42 PM (#15742 - in reply to #15730) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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One is not more important than the two and the two is not more important than the one. One divides into the two, and the two unite as the one; its an eternal process.
The one does not exist without the two and the two does not exist without the one. Simplified of course.
Posted 7/5/2009 12:27 AM (#15756 - in reply to #15729) Subject: RE: The Eternal Dance of the Masculine and the Feminine
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Hi Aquarius,
No offense intended but I do not subscribe to the idea of androgyny. For me my feminine side is my wife. I'm clear on that physically, emotionally, metaphysically, mentally, and spiritually. For me the universe is doing it as the two on all levels. The potential of one is two, and the potential of two is one. A process.
The one is as important as the two, and the two is as important as the one. Neither exist without the other.
Posted 7/5/2009 8:14 AM (#15765 - in reply to #15719) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Dear Robert – it is your privilege to perceive it that way, but I hope you don’t mind too much that I share some of my insights into this matter with you here, too:
As the way we handle our sexuality and the energies involved is one of the most delicate issues, in my view it deserves a closer examination. Human sexuality is part of God’s pure creative/spiritual energy and all sexual activities are making use of something extremely valuable and precious. It therefore demands and deserves to be handled by us wisely and with the greatest care and respect.
Created in the image of God, both genders contain in equal measure the masculine as well as feminine energies of their Divine Father/Mother. While the masculine works from the subconscious in women, the feminine does the same in men. Love making between souls who are aware of this and that they are as much part of God as God is part of them needs to develop into an act of worshipful devotion to the creative forces of the Universe that are alive in them. It is a living sacrifice on the altar of the God of love in which the partners offer themselves and a large part of their lives to this God and each other.
Such souls have cleansed their consciousness of the need for power struggles and for clinging on to each other and their loved ones. They realise that no power between Heaven and Earth can ever destroy a loving bond that two people have created between them in the course of many lifetimes. Knowing that the promise that love is forever is not an empty one, when for one of them the time comes for parting from this plane, letting go of each other creates no unnecessary suffering and problems for the one left behind.
When two lovers of this calibre join forces, each in full appreciation of their own wholeness and that of the other, they no longer seek to be made whole in this process, because they know that they already are. What they are seeking is the experience of merging and blending their inner and outer God and Goddess energies. Their wish is that through them and their oneness, in their role as co-creators with God, a vehicle for a third soul may be created – not by them, but by God. They hope that the new physical body will be a strong and healthy one, so that it can be used successfully by someone who is ready in the world of spirit for another lifetime on the Earth plane.
Such souls are always waiting to be allowed the privilege of re-entry into another lifetime’s experiences on the material level of life and our lovers hope that one of them may be destined to come through their union. Although even in this act each remains an individual in its own right, on this occasion they are functioning as one and in full consciousness of their true role as Earth God and Goddess. Aware that they are merely acting as channels and vessels for the sacred creative Universal forces to work through, they take part in the sacred act of creation with love for each other and for God, with true humility and reverence for the Great Father/Mother of all life, and also for the life they are hoping will be given through them.
Posted 7/5/2009 10:47 PM (#15769 - in reply to #15765) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Dear Aquarious,
Your preaching to the choir. Androgyny has no history on this earth as we know it. I percieve sexuality as universal. It is the holiest principle in the universe. And sexuality on the highest order is always the interchanging of woman and man. These are the distinctions that cannot be blurred. Or there is no sex division and there
is no creation of the body or in the hightest of ecstasy, idea.
Posted 7/5/2009 11:53 PM (#15772 - in reply to #15719) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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;')I couldnt help but notice you online you aswell super-gall naturally taming hellsbells:')
If you've ever felt cold and alone hurting inside that was me there too weeping side by side - if you've ever felt angry confused and hurt that was me there too shareing despair - if you've ever felt like soaring threw the sky i aswell watched you fly - when you are questioning yourself and wondering why i am too not knowing why - our heads still in the sky - with a look in my eyes you will see who i am? i am you and we have hearts eternally meant to fly forever past the skies into this infinity with open eyes.
i think this thread has brought out the romantic - hmm - uno what they say about critic's? they are romantic's turned sour ;( we will see how i am feeling in an hour ahaha ;')
Posted 7/6/2009 6:55 AM (#15776 - in reply to #15769) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Thank you, dear Robert, for sharing your views with us here. With some of them YOU are preaching to the choir, as far as I am concerned. With others I just don’t agree. So, let’s agree to disagree and hopefully we can remain - or rather become - friends, nonetheless.
Posted 7/7/2009 10:38 AM (#15792 - in reply to #15785) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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P.P.S.
I'm just "sensitive" to situations where people try to frame into a "future" that is mispremised and is never going to happen because it dosen't exist in reality, only in a fantasy. My mother used to do that all the time. Not any more.
Posted 7/9/2009 8:07 AM (#15804 - in reply to #15719) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Dear Robert – I don’t know about being politically correct. It’s just the way I perceive the matter or maybe rather the way my Highest Self and inner teacher is showing it to me. Be that as it may, I appreciate the courage it must have taken for you to make the two statements in response to my posting. The following is an edited version of it. If you take the time to read it, you will see that to further clarify matters, many new insights have flown into it. God bless and peace be with you, always.
'Created in the image of God, both genders contain in equal measure the masculine as well as feminine energies of their Divine Father/Mother. Yes, we are part of God and God is part of us. In a sense, therefore, we ourselves are the ones who are the creators of all that is. Yet, we do well to always remember that this does not alter the fact that nothing happens and no new creation of anything, on the Earth plane or anywhere else in the whole of the Universe, ever takes place without the help, the will and the consent of God and the Angels. Let us never overlook that the final decision whether new life is created on any of its levels, and removed again from its present plane when it has served the purpose it was designed for, rests with the Great Father/Mother of all life, the Universal God and Goddess. New physical bodies to roam the Earth, human or otherwise, are no exception.
'One of the most important features of us and our world is that we all contain many puzzling dualities and polarities and that our world is one of paradoxes. Discovering, exploring and learning to live with them is probably the most vital part of our role as pioneers of a New Age. A great many experiences are waiting for us that have never been tried before on the earthly plane. One of them is androgyny. Although this is a state we never lost on the inner spiritual levels of life, on its outer earthly plane the taking possession of our sleeping inner partner and integrating this part of ourselves presents each one of us with many new experiences and challenges of a very different kind to those that had to be tackled in the past.
'To unravel the mystery of God’s nature and our own, it is necessary to come to terms with the fact that our God is one of duality and that life on the Earth plane is a reflection and an outer physical manifestation of everything that is in God – and therefore also in us. The masculine aspect of the Divine is the power of the Father; its counterpart is the love and wisdom of the Mother. As above, so below; in human beings of both genders this manifests itself as the masculine aspect being conscious in men and working from the subconscious in women, and vice versa.
'The lovemaking of souls who are aware of all this and whose wish it is that a child should be born through them, needs to follow the example of the Master Jesus when he told us in St. John 14:10-11: ‘Do you not believe that I am with my Father and my Father is with me? The words that I speak I do not speak of myself, but my Father who abides with me does these works. Believe that I am with my Father and my Father is with me, and if not, believe because of the works [He does through me].’
'Because the consciousness of such highly evolved souls has cleansed itself of all selfishness, they no longer have any need for power struggles and for clinging on to each other and their loved ones. They realise that no power between Heaven and Earth can ever destroy a loving bond that two people have created between them in the course of many lifetimes. Knowing that the promise that love is forever is not an empty one, when for one of them the time comes for parting from this plane, letting go of each other creates no unnecessary suffering and problems for the one left behind.
'The coming together of these lovers is an act of worshipful devotion that honours the creative forces of the Universe, in full awareness that they are as much alive in them as in all life. This allows them to offer themselves and a large part of their lives and each other unto life itself as a living sacrifice on the altar of the God of love. The more happily such souls bend their knees before the Highest to reveal their readiness to act as priest and priestess on Its shrine, the more likely it is that their wish will be granted. ‘Thy will, Great Father/Mother of all life, not ours shall be done. If you find us worthy of being granted the gift of a child, it shall be gratefully received in the fullness of time.’
'Souls of this calibre appreciate their own wholeness and therefore also respect that of others. Knowing that they already are whole within themselves saves them from seeking to be made so by others. This sets them free for a far more profound experience of merging and blending their inner and outer God and Goddess energies than would otherwise be possible. Their loving union is a demonstration that they are ready to act in full consciousness as co-creators with God by offering themselves as a channel through which a new physical body for a third soul can be created – not by them, but by God. With this the Divine lays the power to transform their earthly lovemaking into a sacred act of worship and devotion into human hands.
'All we as earthlings can ever do when we are yearning for any experience is to show our readiness and our willingness to do the work that may be required for us, to bring it about, in the hope that this is setting the wheels in motion. In the meantime, there is nothing for it but waiting and trusting that the wisdom of the Highest will fulfil our desire, so that when we are wishing for a child that a strong and healthy body will be created through us, to be used by someone who is ready in the world of spirit for another lifetime on the Earth plane. There is never any shortage of these. Many are at all times waiting to be allowed the privilege of re-entry into another lifetime’s experiences on the material plane and all we can do is hope and pray that one of them may be destined to honour us with its presence.
'In sexual unions of any kind each remains an individual in its own right. But, when two souls are proceeding in the above described manner it enables them to function as one and in full consciousness of their true role as Earth God and Goddess. Aware that they are merely acting as channels and vessels for the creative Universal forces to work through, they then take part in the sacred act of creation with love for each other and for God, with true humility and reverence for the Great Father/Mother of all life, and also for the life they are longing to be given through them.
'And so, they go worshipfully down on their knees before the throne of the Highest and request that if their Karma allows it and when conditions and time are right, a new body and a vehicle for an incoming soul and spirit may be created through them. They are aware that every spirit is an eternal seed of God, a son/daughter of God, born from the heart of God, the same as they themselves are. Should their wish be granted, they will appreciate that their child is a gift that does not belong to them and therefore will never be theirs to keep. It is merely coming to them to be taken care of for a predestined time.
'Just imagine! God and the Angels are the only ones who know how long ago all this was written into the great book of life, before either one of our lovers ever started to dream of a child of their own. And who knows? Wise old owls that such parents are, they are sure to appreciate that the potential age of the new arrival, their very own little owl, in terms of how many times it may have been recycled for gathering its own experiences in the Earth’s environment, could be far greater than that of both parents together. Now, there’s a humbling thought for you.
Posted 7/12/2009 6:37 AM (#15858 - in reply to #15719) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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OF MARRIAGE And then Almitra spoke again and said: ‘And what of marriage, Master?’ And he replied: ‘You were born together, and together you shall be for evermore. You shall be together when the white wings of death scatter your days. Aye, you shall be together even in the silent memory of God, For in spirit all is one and together all once came forth from the heart of God.
But let there be spaces in your togetherness So that the winds of the Heavens can dance between you. Love one another, but make not a bond of love. Rather let it be a moving sea between the shores of your souls.
You do not need another to make you whole, For each has the energy of the other dormant within; It is merely waiting to be taken into possession by each one. Let the other help you do this, but then let go of each other again.
As each soul has their own pathway to walk, let each do their own thing. Share what nurtures you – Fill each other’s cup but do not drink from the same cup Or eat from the same loaf. Sing and dance together and be joyous, But let each also sometimes be on their own; Even as the strings of a lute are alone, Although they vibrate with the same tune.
Give your hearts, but not into each other’s keeping; For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts. And stand together, but not too close, In the same way as the pillars of a temple stand apart, And the oak tree and the cypress do not grow in each other’s shade.
Each in their own way and time has to learn their lessons, Their Karma to redeem and their Highest potential to fulfil. Let each learn to take the lead in some things and to follow in others; When each contributes in their own special and unique manner, You add variety and interest to your relationship, Helping it to last longer and ensuring that both partners Grow at an even pace, individually and together.
From ‘The Prophet’ by Kahlil Gibran 1883-1931 Lebanese/American poet Edited by Aquarius
Posted 7/12/2009 7:56 AM (#15862 - in reply to #15858) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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The one is not more important than the two, and the two is not more important than the one, for each is required for the others existence. That is the eternal continuum.
Posted 7/12/2009 9:23 PM (#15879 - in reply to #15719) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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The joys of Philosophy eh? what did you mean Robert when you said; there are no absolutes which of course is an absolute" ? does that translates into no matter how widely sourced your views, they are in essence the same as aquarius's veiws - they come from the human experience - however you two have come by this infomation - both of your veiws can't be the be all end all i'm not sure of what part of infinite possiblities doesnt compute maybe 99.9% but both of your experiences and views are a tiny spec of dust floating on the oceans of drowned thinkers remains - you are both comeing from the same place from "my" interpretation - that place has your energy if you could remove your energy and feed me your view it would cease to be your view but just something floating in a void i guess what im saying is your both attachted to much for me to want to subscribe if you came from a point of nothing with something then i would be intrigued - Knowledge is a dark hole that doesn't end with an absolute fighting a mute - a paradox climbing a paradigm - it can be said that there isn't any truth in men for men are only a product of an infinite time consumeing a trend when the fashion changes who's left wearing red?
You can both put that in your pipes and smoke it :') http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUXBCdt5IPg
Posted 7/12/2009 10:32 PM (#15880 - in reply to #15879) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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We have the right to act in the universe, but we don't have control of the reaction. We can balance are actions with our reactions, but once we act the reaction occurs automatically. We reap what we sow. If we act out of balance, the reaction will be out of balance. You can't cheat reality. If you believe in debt and the "free ride,"
no amount of "positve thinking" or "wish fulfillment" is going to take you or create you out of that debt. "The universe will work with you but not for you." If you are not truly in alignment with the principles of the universe, eventually you realize your misalignment with universal principle. 2 + 2 = 4 in the universe. 2 + 2 dose not = 7.
You can't just will it so and create a universe where its true that 2 + 2 = 4 and 2 + 2 = 7 where both equations are true at the same time. That is an absolute.
The universe is composed of absolutes.
You can put that in your pipe and smoke it too. Absolutes are real.
Posted 7/13/2009 12:11 AM (#15881 - in reply to #15879) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Not the same views to answer your question. It does not mean no matter how widley sourced, my views are the same. They are not the same views. No matter how similar they might appear to you. Ah! But there is truth in men, and that is an absolute. Tap in and align.
"...it can be said that there isn't any truth in men for men are only a product of an infinite time consumeing a trend when the fashion changes who's left wearing red?"
This is a statement from the wishful universe where 2 + 2 = 4 and 2 + 2 = 7 at the same time.
But who is John Galt and Absolute Sovereigncy anyway?
Posted 7/13/2009 3:39 AM (#15883 - in reply to #15880) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Reality? is 2 really 2? what makes 2? you make 2? your 2 is my 7 i make my 2 a 4 and 4 is really a 7 depending on the state of persistence and the fundamentals of existence 7 is 4 + 2 = 6 - 6 = 11 11 still is 7 - 7 is 4 + 2 = 13 is 6 in 7 - 7 is 6 + 2 = 28 :') The reflection is my direction the way to sample selection endless possiblities calculating informalities in a dream of reality.
Posted 7/13/2009 3:05 PM (#15887 - in reply to #15719) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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i get the 28= 1 thing... that is numerology.... but the other numbers... We'll let you stick to your own reality.... Those are not part of this universal math language.
In other dimensions perhaps numbers are incorrect... Who knows... Someone may just be smoken some good herbs. Perhaps one should also pass the doobage for us to better understand that one.
Posted 7/13/2009 8:37 PM (#15894 - in reply to #15719) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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yea a few joints some acid then half of a bottle of rum then abit of type typey on the ums forums )
jimi hendrix + %$#^up math = drugs?
this aligning you speak of - your are saying that i can align to make my 2 as your 2? i was taught that 2 was 7? so can i align to bring my 7 into 2? using? learning? incorparating?Reality is different for everyone as you said Robert your views are not the same - they can't be unless your 2 is aquarius 2 did universe make 2?
is a stone really a stone did we learn the qualities of stone is it not possible to change the qualities of stone? can blood come from a stone? can reality change to conform to your wishful willful thinking? i create my own reality can i endorces mine onto you? did a machine roller print its reality onto me? My reality is a day dream like a night dream i can choose what i want to watch, if i ever get bored i can always take some of grampa's cough medicine and listen to some scott mckenzie haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdvCqUguIh8
Posted 7/13/2009 8:57 PM (#15895 - in reply to #15719) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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behind the interpretations / misinterpretations / communication can't work 100% it relys on different realities i can see the need for an alignment... we all are already aligned as one - there is communication that doesn't have room for misinterpretations it still lives in the eyes and hearts of chilled out kids - anyway behind the different realities reflects your/mine one true reality - this understanding shouldnt be aligned to a math equation or a lingo persuadtion or the knowledge you reap what you sow because you are not what you reap or sow you still may watch yourself grow or trip out on a doobiewacka but either way you arnt your lingo or a problem solver just the energy locked deep below the walls of the body and soul - your consiousness a self serving dream without dependancy on reality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-KFmh7deq4 :')
Posted 7/14/2009 12:16 AM (#15897 - in reply to #15896) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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There is no "God." There is order. The one order of the two forces. There is no monolithic "oneness." And this universe is finite and is a process. For want of better words, a "holographic" process.
Posted 7/14/2009 12:40 AM (#15900 - in reply to #15896) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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i see you both online...hello...zen & alxm, absolute soveriegncy
it's interesting to have 2 different views
2 can come from 1
1 can come from 2
if there is 2, then there is a division is it not?
if there is 1, then there is a unity of division is it not?
God is just a concept where all can work as one doing different things.
disorder is just a concept where all is doing many things but not working as one.
then one must choose the one that works for a higher purpose and happiness...
we divided in the womb of our mum to be a greater being that helps maintain the one body...now we consume different things to maintain the one
suppose we need different experiences to be whole and back to the one?
i see my retirement has been shaken by these two folks....hahahhaha
Posted 7/14/2009 12:45 AM (#15901 - in reply to #15897) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Order? Who's Order? Orders Order? yes this universe is finite our sun will eventually supernova each supernova explodes with the same brightness and effects as the rest creating a black hole that rips around threw space collideing with everything else in space - this is order? :')
Posted 7/14/2009 12:49 AM (#15902 - in reply to #15901) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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hmmm? where there is an order - there is an owner - who is the owner of this order?
you and me?
or everyone?
or God that overseas the balancing required for such order?
consider a very messy life that of failure and betrayal - is this an order that can be avoided? My belief is 'yes'.
a person who is very organized would know what I mean...
Posted 7/14/2009 1:22 AM (#15909 - in reply to #15906) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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i am as dense as anyone else as i live - impossible to be holographic to the naked eye...hahahah
although my spirit is holographic - which can't be seen by the naked eye
that which is holographic can be controlled by the physical or that which is physical can be controlled by the holographic
we often make mistakes when the physical has too much control over the holographic...however some mistakes will probably look less like mistakes when god blesses it to turn it into meaningful experience to take away the suffering and sorrows - or perhaps provide us with more soothing experiences - like a helping hand and good company...
you amuse me with your interesting bantering too...
Posted 7/14/2009 1:38 AM (#15911 - in reply to #15907) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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absolute, responding to : 'does it not take two to balance?'
if the question is posing at the relationship between 2 people:
if there is already 2 to balance - they don't need another one to balance (i am referring to queer threesomes)
if there is already 2 giving life to another one - then that is the ultimate balance for 'them'
if the 2 within the person has balanced (which can be possible among some spiritual people) - then where is the problem?
if there is a replacement for 1 and 1 to be 2, then where is the problem?
overall - it really depends on what angle the question is posing at.
If it is posing on our lifestyle - like diet
2 is not sacred - many food is sacred
if it is posing on our need for money
$2 is probably not a sacred number for some people's lifestyle - one may starve
if it is posing on our need for rooms in a house
2 rooms is probably not sacred to a family of seven children - it will be abit too cramped
Posted 7/14/2009 1:47 AM (#15912 - in reply to #15911) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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naturopaths dispense medicine combined with alcohol
cough drops are filled with alcohol (menthol)
flower essence medicine are preserved by alcohol
chinese medicine have some interesting ingredients that does not exclude alcohol
welcome to the world of healers...
for further discussion - feel free to google me - you will find me if need be - i do need to be at rest from this discussion board now - peace
Posted 7/14/2009 2:36 AM (#15913 - in reply to #15756) Subject: RE: The Eternal Dance of the Masculine and the Feminine
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dear absov,you say your wife is your feminine,each of us has a male and female side,maybe you refuse to accept this,i,e your feminine side,or maybe you think its not macho too admit you have a feminine side,its a bit like the baking of a cake,to make it whole and comlete,we have to have all the ingredients right.As for the question of 2 being sacred,to me the 2 are mother earth,father universe,sky,it takes 2 to tango,or maybe you prefer to dance on your own,irisx
Posted 7/14/2009 8:25 PM (#15924 - in reply to #15719) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Hello....... Zen.....anything I have ever said about you in this life or in past lives I take back 777X7! You mentioned one name that tells me you are a...a.....a....I don't know, but since we share that knowledge (or maybe just the name) it makes you my friend...whether reciprocated or not. I absolutely love upside down guitarists (left handedness is a bit of a problem). Greatness triumphs anyway! Lyonna.....hello, again.
P & L, Marty and Kcul, ppoP, and ssiS...these are my handicats....and I love them!
Posted 7/15/2009 12:14 AM (#15930 - in reply to #15719) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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It's been a rather good discussion - i hope no-one got too upset ;') and yes Robert i have been known to indulge in the peace pipe ceremony once or twice :') i'm glad you are so comfortable in your own world - peace.
Posted 7/15/2009 5:28 AM (#15939 - in reply to #15722) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Resonations Jill - and in nature too there are some creatures that are hermaphrodite. Indeed, in ancient cultures, the concept of the hermaphrodite had some sanctity to it; as indeed, I suspect that God, whom I do believe, or even perhaps better 'know', is male/female, evil/good.
In the higher realms I too feel, know, that we pass beyond bodily interpretations and sensations - which perhaps we can only experience here - and have other concerns, other interactions.
Everything else may be a projection from what we interpret here, from within ourselves. Hence, the notion of 'illusion', as taught by Christine et al, derived from the ancient traditions.
though the God of which I speak, am not sure if s/he 'oversees' it/us. That God dreamt us into being, and it is up to us to get on with it.
There are also some quotes here applicable from the Tao Te ching, if noone has yet considered them - 'one begat two, two begat three, three begat all things'
The premise of this thread also seems to imply that two is sacred. Which I am also not convinced about. At least, not more sacred than anything else hereabouts.
Posted 7/15/2009 12:26 PM (#15948 - in reply to #15939) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Survival as man and woman is sacred to me. There is for want of better words a "holographic" and "inclusive" function in that in this finite universe of seemingly infinite
illusions. I'm speaking of abstract "bare bones" essentials here. The "begats" come later. I'm just thinking differently. Something wrong with that?
The power of thinking and "abstraction" and recognition is yours too.
Posted 7/15/2009 1:19 PM (#15949 - in reply to #15902) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Yes. Where there is order, there is an owner. Everyone is the owner in the one holographic order of the two forces, male and female, man and woman. It is sexual.
The sexual process is dependent on femaleness and malenss. There is no sexual process without the existence of malenss and femaleness in that part or function of the universe that is human beings. Man cannot exist without woman and woman cannot exist without man. If one of these sexes is missing in the process of sexual
exchange neither sex exists and creation and creating therefore is null and void and so is the one processing holographic order. This is a continuum and repetitve. The term "God" as a name for this process has too many "one force" connotations and is misleading neurolinguistically in a "two force" continuum of a "one order" of the two forces. There is no "one force" universe. Therefore, given the "neurolinguistic" inaccuracies and misleading cultural and religious connotations of the term "God,"
it is not a valid concept as a term describing a two force holographic finte universe in function with the survival of man and woman (proper).
Posted 7/17/2009 8:34 PM (#16016 - in reply to #15719) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Sex is merely the attractant. Two is sacred because it is the attempt at the perfect union. As in between a man and a woman. The differences make the union stronger.
Posted 7/28/2009 8:50 PM (#16219 - in reply to #16122) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Zensible, Zensible, Zensible......what in the cosmos makes you say that our sun will not supernova??????????????????? Our sun is the perfect candidate.....no competing stars around it (so we won't get eaten by a cannibal galaxy) and the right mix of fuel to go red dwarf and then begin the collapse..which will supercharge the fuel and cause the Nova! You know what Zen, I wish I could be around for that light show....that might even be better than ZZTop!!!!!!!! No, wait a minute, better than when the wave splashed during Reflex....DURAN DURAN! I dunno, I liked both palces in time....how about you?
Posted 7/29/2009 12:35 PM (#16252 - in reply to #16016) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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The one is not more important than the two. And vice-versa. It is a continuum. The process is the absolute. Just like breathing in and breathing out. It takes
both to have a breath. Compression and expansion. It takes the differences to make it work. Breathing in = breathing out. Try to exist without both of them.
There can be a "oneness" of order. But it is the one order of the "two forces." A very crucial "distinction" that must be realized if we are to move on and learn
how to be who and what we are together. "You can't go to "heaven" alone and you can't force anyone to go with you."
Though they are equal and opposite, they are inversely opposite. All necessary to breath. Try to breath with two breaths in. Two in breaths don't make a breath.
Two out breaths don't make a breath. 1-2-3-4-4-3-2-1. Polarized opposition creates life. Male and Female, Man and Woman. The red side of the spectrum and the
blue side of the spectrum. Got to have them both for life to occur and to know existence exists. With out both you set up the premise that everthing is subservient to a
greater "onenss" by default. Everything becomes subject to a master and slave scenario. Men over women or women over men. It permeates everthing we do. But when there is a polarized balance there is no master and slave scenario. There is the result I call the field of universal "holographic" absolute sovereigncy. A dynamic
polarized balance.
Posted 8/1/2009 5:08 AM (#16317 - in reply to #15719) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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The milky-way will join with andromeda - Gravity's power seems locked for this outcome - the sun is more likely to turn red giant than supernova - either way it will be the death/change of our solar system.. you certainly are a charmer Mruppert ;')
Injoy.
Posted 8/1/2009 6:54 PM (#16329 - in reply to #16319) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Hello Zenophobos: .....nothing would give me more pleasure than that! Ring side seats on the rim of a black hole. Skybox view of the crown of creation. You need to get Thorped...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgLKkNY9eUA
Posted 5/5/2016 1:16 PM (#27522 - in reply to #15719) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Absolute Sovereigncy - 7/4/2009 2:13 AM Hello everyone, Sex. Through sex life as we know it, human life, physically, emotionally, intellectually, metaphysically, and spiritually on planet earth is created. Biologically and organically sex takes two, one male and one female; one egg cell from one woman, and one sperm cell from one man. Sex dose not exist except between a man and a woman. Its not "sex" if it dosen't. The union of one sperm cell and one egg cell begins the process of the creation known as a "baby" and that process is sacred and unique to one man and one woman. Its the reproduction of the life principle and that is "sacred." It cannot be done without "sex" as it is known and defined here. Thats why the union known as marriage is known as "sacred" between the TWO. (Given all things being balanced and normal with love.) Now this is obvious as a process in a universe where A = A. Its mysteriously not obvious in a universe where A = (not A). Just an observation. Peace is within, Absolute Sovereigncy (Robert)
That's all very well, so long as one doesn't overlook who is doing the creating - through us.
Posted 5/5/2016 2:21 PM (#27523 - in reply to #27522) Subject: RE: Why is two sacred?
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Yes Aquarius ... this thread was created and done a long time ago and AS/Robert has not posted for ages .... I was merely going through older threads and seeing where they might link to current threads and discussions ... hopefully I have not created any confusion ... please let me know if I have ...!!