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| Hi,
I am in a struggle to decide on a Metaphysics Collage. Im also looking at different metaphysical universities. Has anyone else had the same debate or can enyone give light as to why UMS would be preferable, other than this forum :D
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| Hi, Shahn.
I'm a brand new student at UMS, just finished my very first course in the Bachelor's degree program. All I can say is I researched different places for a few years, saving them in my favorites on my computer and always ended up coming back to UMS. I examined the curriculum at different places, looked at every nook and cranny of their websites, clicked on pictures of staff members, listened to and read free examples. All I can say is UMS just felt right. It offered what I was looking for and I trusted my vibes. I got a positive vibe from the very beginning, and now that I'm enrolled, it hasn't changed. All of my inquiries, both before I registered and after I enrolled have been answered by individuals at the school who really seem to want to help. Everything so far has been very well organized and beautifully presented.
I'm not sure anyone could answer this question for you, it depends really on what you are looking for and what qualifications resonate with you.
I wish you well in your decision making,
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Location: United Kingdom | Hello Shahn - yes, quite so Diss - me too ! These questions have come up a lot before - have you checked out previous comments ? I would add, be careful: I have never heard of International Metaphysics, but UMS seems to me solid and grounded ... check out too the various other locations on this site, such as Accreditations .... UMS is, I think, unique; and the staff are all responsive and friendly too .... I signed up and paid all upfront, and have never regretted it ... much more could be said, but did not want to repeat myself too much ! | |
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Location: The Heart of Space | Hi Shahn.....
Most of the successful people from this and any other school possess and master the skill of written and spoken communication. If you ever want to further a career, these skills are ESSENTIAL.
Regardless of the power of metaphysics, the power of the pen (and the power of the written/spoken word, as we have just seen in the recent US election) is a mighty force.
No one should accept anything less of themselves, no matter the circumstances.
UMS is a great school, a great place in virtual time, and great fun. As a learning avenue....well, just watch out for the cars...you'll be on a busy street!
Peace,
College Cats and Marty
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Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Hi shahn,
I came across UMS on the internet about year and a half ago. I read it and was not interested at all. Then about 2 days later, it just hit me in the heart like a "bomb." It took me about 2 or 3 months to get the funds together and I paid up front up (not a requirement) to the D.D. and the Ph.D level. It wasn't about explanations or "analysis". I just knew it was the right path for me. A deep inner knowing in my heart. Haven't looked back, keep moving forward, all the time in the present moment, true to myself at every point along the way. No sense of separation from myself which happened to me all the way pursuing my secular degrees (bachlors and masters). You know, chasing money and "success." I haven't regretted one moment of that decision. Trust your heart and yourself. No one else has the answer. Trust your deep inner knowing. That's what this experience has been for me, moment by moment. You know. Its a "feeling." Within. That "right now" peaceful inner feeling.
Absolute Sovereigncy (Robert)
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Location: NE Ohio | I personally chose this school, because I had already spent a lot of money on a different school, similar, but harder to find, should i want to place it on a resume. After all the studying near completion, i didn't really agree with their end results and then that school disappeared. Since then, I have found that previous school, but found I liked UMS much better, anyway. Trying to give my first metaphysical school as a reference was very hard and it just didn't feel legit. UMS gave me a safer feeling, as if what they were saying was real and legitimate as I studied through the UMS courses, due to their resources listed in each course. I didn't realize there was a forum until way afterwards, so the only people to help me decide to school here was who ever I talked to on the phone.
UMS has some great affiliations and accreditations for alternative methods for healthier mind, body and spirit.
It speaks for itself, once you start taking the courses. Best part is: you can keep all the courses for references later too. I have access to all mine. Love them and refer back to them all the time.
Go with your heart.... it won't lie
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| Thank you all so much, As you have all stated in some way or another it just feels right. UMS is the first site I came accross & I needed look no further but external influence caused doubt. I will be paying in full in the next month or so.
Thank you,
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Location: United Kingdom | another reason I chose UMS is that it develops, spiritually, psychologically and intellectually my 'day-job' - anyone interested here is a link to our latest annual report ...
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| I just wanted to add that I had the same experience as Disa. I looked at others for over a year yet I kept coming back to UMS. It kept calling to me and I finally signed up. When I received the first courses, it felt like coming home. I knew I was in the right place and the right course.I
I have written and spoken to people at UMS as well - they are all so kind and helpful. It is real and genuine here. The lessons make the subjects come alive and the meditations make me come alive. I would not change my decision at all.
Blessings & Light,
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Location: United Kingdom | Answer a): Why not?
Answer b): Because it is one the best ways to prepare
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Location: The Heart of Space | Peej: I think the annual report you gave a link to speaks to the point of the value and quality of what one "might" learn from UMS. If UMS has helped you and Western London for the better, then your money was well spent ten times over. AND, it serves as a practical example of what can be done to help, serve, and minister to those who are in need.
You have always had my friendship and a welcome place to stay should you ever be in the USA (and can stand tons of cat hair on every surface of everything I own); but you now also have my respect and admiration for what you guys try to accomplish!
Sincerely,
Marty and Luck, Popp and Siss
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Location: United Kingdom | Thanks again friend Marty - was thinking of you yesterday as I visited Watkins Bookshop, nearby and similar to Treadwells x | |
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| Ha Shahn:
Let my ego interupt, but not as the master, as the servent. The truth as I feel is that like any worth while book, any worth wile metaphysical institution provides a "sign post" in the proper direction. The real work is not just to read the book, but to be the book. Therefore, I feel that the real answer to your question is, will you not only go through the motions of persuing your studies intellectully, but also intergrate what you have learned? If so, travel the longhest path of your life wich is 16" "from your head to your heart an allow the question of which school "book" to intergrate.
Thank you for allowing my ego to communicate. It was comunicating in the need to teach, but also there was essence in the desire to leade with love and compasion.
My reasoning to join UMS was simply that I was at the time in a state of exceptance and UMS came along my path. I feel that it provides a strong positive vehical of support on your spiritual path. When I stay aware "Stay present" I somehow notice that Christeen is comming from a place of awareness that is not an act, but an atractive level of truth. That has been my perseption. Maybe like me, you may want to watch and listion to a few of her videos, and without judgement, but with as much presence of mind as you can muster, I believe you may be able to answer your own question.
I just started on this site, and as you can see, I have a lot to share. Thanks for you listining and I hope that I have been of service. If you wish to contact me, I don't know how yet to do that on this site, so my "user name" is Terry, and my e-mail is terrysmiracles@yahoo.com
Lead with Love,
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Location: California, USA | Let me add my testimonial. I did not want just a piece of paper and researched my decision pretty carefully before coming here. Substance wise, I often surprise people with the breadth of my knowledge about metaphysical things, none of which I was very familiar with when I began. I've never regretted it for a moment and am proud to tell people where I earned my DDiv. from. | |
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Location: United Kingdom | All I can add to all this is,
Yes
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Location: The Heart of Space | I know exactly what you are saying.....got bunches of xerox pages from a lot of places and probably would have 20 or 30 degrees by now....if we hadn't admitted that there were ulterior motives for enrolling. But, we never asked for money back....as we truly wanted the "educational" experience. Disgruntled students of these places wanted an "opinion" and that is all my study group can offer....and whether there were deceptive practices under the guiding federal and state laws. Most operate well within the law....the few exceptions generally have been more "broad based" on-line, or correspondence schools, such as the notorious "Columbia University" dealing in commonly accepted degrees and not metaphysical subject matter.
Hence, we come to UMS.....and I have stated this repeatedly....my University does not recognize these courses as credit bearing in our system, nor do we recognize the degree. HOWEVER, all who are here, including yours truly, understand that this is an alternative education degree; with a religious overtone.... for a purpose....yours may be different from mine....mine is that my University is not going to offer me courses in the subject matter that UMS does.
As for the quality of the courses, which has been deemed objective, but is ultimately subjective. some of my U's courses require far less intensity of study than UMS courses do. Some require way beyond. There is no apple to apple comparision. This is more of an apple to a lotus blossum comparision.
THE DEFINING factor is that, when compared to all the other metaphysical, mystical and parapsychological schools that are available to one via our technology....this is THE ONE that has you and I and Paul, and Sunny, and Instink, and NTET, and Danju, and Absy, and soooo many others, in open and engaged debate...as if.....as if ....we were on a campus somewhere, someplace and sometime..together in academic pursuit of knowledge and wisdom.
NONE of the other schools had that.
The grads (UMUC) who walked out of Comcast Center all hugged and kissed and slapped hands....yeah...we'll keep in touch...but MOST forget as soon as they drive away. UMS people tend to be a community.....an everlasting community...some old souls come out of the forest every now and then....some crawl from the woodwork.....some visit from the sky.....some materialize right before you......but it is truly a community.
I am awed to be part of such a community.
Peace,
Marty and Lucky, Poppy and Sissy
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Location: United Kingdom | How well and lovingly put Marty. | |
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Location: North Georgia | Marty
How wonderful and well put!!!
I would also like to add to what dear Marty said. I have tried to go to a secular college many times. I really seemed like a chore - so I decided to take the 'certification' route and obtain specialized licenses, always promising that one day I’d go back. About 4 years ago I made the decision that to get my college degree. I would start college when my oldest started and finish by the time my youngest finished. I really didn't have any particular goal in mind other than getting the "piece of paper" and really wasn’t interested in it other than that. It wouldn’t really further my career at that time. When I found my first metaphysical school I thought I found my ‘way out’, so to speak. I would get to read books that I was interested in AND get the piece of paper I promised myself and children I would get. I thought it would be easy.
I could never been more wrong about the studies and this isn't just some piece of paper. I know this sounds cliché - but the courses, studies and practices have really changed my life. Not just the courses, but the things that the courses have lead to - other books, seminars, information WONDERFUL like minded people (they are the best!). Subjects I gained basic knowledge of thru the courses and expanded on my own. Or where I have been taught the scientific evidence of the things that I have always know to be true. It has been such a confidence builder! I know it isn't a secular degree, but it isn't about the paper, anymore, as it is about the learning and where my path may lead next.
In additional to UMS I am also enrolled in another metaphysical college. I completed their bachelor's program and loved the courses so much so that I re-enrolled in the Master's/PhD. program. Then I found UMS!!! UMS offered different courses and a different degree than what I was currently enrolled in. I decided to enroll in UMS for a second degree. (So yes I am enrolled currently in two programs.) The funny thing was that UMS actually filled in the gaps and helped expand my knowledge even further. The two courses really complemented each other, but UMS has a much more comprehensive and broader subject base. In my opinion, I really like the way UMS is set up. It is more creative, yet is structured to expand your creativity and actually practice what you have been reading about and studying. I also really like that each course has a reference section – so if I am really interested in a subject I can get more information on my own.
Do what you are lead to do and don’t look back. When its all said and done people do not regret what they do, but what they didn’t do.
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Location: California, USA | I just found out a friend of mine is investigating UMS, because she asked me if that was where I did my education on metaphysics. I told her she could not pick better! How fun to have a friend (local) doing the courses too, if she decides to do it. | |
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| Shahn,
I am not sure if you have decided on anything yet. I can tell you from my own experience as I am still fairly new. I have researched different schools, and taken the time to let each one sit. Then I would go back again. I also, as some others have stated, kept coming back to UMS. Everytime I looked into this school it just felt right. Don't rush yourself into making a decision, however, I think that when you find what is right for you, you will know....
Good luck and many blessings to you!
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Location: United Kingdom | Apparently, reams of photocopying paper are resulting in the loss of tropical woodland and the dying out of various forms of wildlife. | |
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Location: The Heart of Space | Yes, PJai, apparently so!
The cost was trees! The goal was to keep money in one's pocket that might well be misspent.
John Bear and I (coincidentally) are both members of a hi-IQ organization and both involved in distance education. I do not know what John has to say about UMS.....I haven't had active contact with him since the listserv days of Distance Ed, in my fledgling years at UM, my UM. I know what the listserv had to say about certain places....and we ( my group, independent of John) wanted the evidence that all was true. So, we exrocksed (xeroxed) the syllabi and course work for record keeping sake...which we had a perfect right to do. We paid for it!
What we have is much as is described by others who have investigated various avenues of education, in a non-traditional means and of a metaphysical curriculae.
I honestly don't know what John has to say in his PUBLISHED (yes, he makes some bucks selling his guide to non-traditional education....and I have to believe, that Ms. Breese, as a businesswoman, knows this) , but I think it is as positive as my thoughts are. I KNOW a lot of metaphysical schools are now only for the gullible.
My judgement is that UMS is the best that one can find on the market at this time....not because of price, but because of quality. The thing is to prove it.....and my long term study group can do so.......because we faithfully copy everything.
Now, I know this might worry people who have copyrighted material in many venues....... let me assure and reassure you
we copy what we are legally entitled to do so, since we bought it and we copy educational materials under 'fair use" rules. Full credit is always given for anything copied and/or quoted.
Others than me created a world where there are no secrets anymorel My group tried to make a difference, to make some sort of judgement of right or wrong....and to have documentation as to why...but look at us NOW! The New Zealand Kid dropped off the map...impressed everyone cos she read "The Life You Were Born to Live" and did the numbers/birthday thaang.....well, Yah.......I got Millman's book too!!!!
Where are our spiritual personages...it is easy to talk the talk, but very very hard to walk the walk.
P&L....
Marty and Luck, Popp, and SizzleGirl
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Location: Queensland Australia | If we look at history; before universities were build and alchemy/chemistry/astronomy/philosophy/ ect were being practiced these idea's threatened aristocracy to the extend of a pope jailing Plato politicians killing Socrates aristocracy didn't like Aristotle's work/uni much either haha  - if UMS didn't attract jelous rival banter then something would be wrong jealousy is a great form of flattery Karma sorts things out eventually it's the best choice in every aspect shahn :') peace.
in the words of Isaac Newton "Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy.” ums has grace its a totally higher level
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Location: United Kingdom | Marty-O -is John Bear any relation to Edward Pooh Bear living in the forest under the name of Sanders ?
and ZaM - was the Pope really around at the time of Plato ? Wow, must be some pre-cultural type of transmigration type of (no-) thing
and also, this dollar bucks paranoia sounds an aweful lot like some other things going down here, from this neck of the pond-woods - intermittently (get my drift, USA vernacular-wise?)
yet then again dearest Cara, is this me being kind of, playful ? (in a mano a mano, boyish kind of way?)
then again dear Shahn, please shun this kind of foolish banter and find
a new balance: UMS is the best thing since
Hmmmm, or then again, Aummm x
Om Manhe Padme Om
Ever
and ps, I hope New Zealand is still there, as our dear friend Louise was last heard of in those parts x
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Location: United Kingdom | Hello and congratulations, Brother Leo
I am not sure to whom or about whom your comments are directed and since in my personal history I have sought to take nothing personally (according to Ruiz) yet take everything personally (according to Klein);
all I might reasonably say (notwithstanding the papacy was not established at the aforesaid time; though foolishness remains the best path to Wisdom)
is, 'Why UMS?'
... 'But of course'
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Location: The Heart of Space | Hello Brutha Leeeeeeooooooooo....
Would you be so kind as to tell us what Dr. Masters you are talking about?
Could it be R.L Masters?????? He Dead!
Could it be R.E.L Masters....the same guy.
I am going to wait to hear from you and then tell you the story....as his story and his book, autographed, sit on one of my shelves. It is in the 4 pod that are in my master bedroom. The irony of that escapes me!
Peace and More....
Marty and Luck, Popp and Siss
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Location: North Georgia | Leo - 12 Cats - Oh my!  I thought we were the zoo of the neighborhood (5 cats, 2 dogs, 2 chickens, 3 chicks [neighbor's rooster escaped and came to visit LOL] some fish and 5 teenagers) If you are wondering - yes I do come here to escape occasionally .
Anyway your post brought to mind the old saying, "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear!" I believe that those who resonate to Mr. Masters school need to hear what he has to say and the lessons he brings to them and those who choose to come here relate to Ms. Breese and what lessons she brings. (You and your wife are prime examples - if you enjoy it here and she enjoys it there - then you are both in the right place )
What is important is that we each individually do what we need to do for our individual experience. Feel what we resonate with and follow that path, trust yourself that you made the right choice and be open to all that is available to you! | |
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Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida | Katrina,
12 cats and one dog. In my wife's and my case we were led by her spirit guide. Linda (my wife) has had several years channeling her guide, at first she wasn't sure what was happening. After about 3 years I met him and things have been moving right along. In truth I was directed by him that I was to enroll at UMS. I was going to put it off but he said no, do it now. As you said, the student was ready, however the student was at a loss. The Master spoke and I signed up right away. It's been great. I'm now starting on my Masters of Divinity and my wife is just about to finish hers.
We have learned much form both the schools as well as Linda's spirit guide. It wouldn't be fair to compare the two as the Master of All Things is by far superior in his vastness of universal knowledge. He has stated that it is impossible for us to understand the complexities of the universe, perhaps in many more life experiences.
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Location: United Kingdom | Surely, Katrina dear, you mean Dr Breese ?
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Location: North Georgia | Yes, Paul - Thank you. I stand corrected please accept my apologies! I must have been seeing her younger self when I posted !
My cats aren't the hunters like most. Actually all our animals are weird ones, and all of them are strays except the chickens. Occasionally the young ones will catch a mouse in the garage or something and bring it to me (alive). And our chickens just had 3 chicks; all are free range - locked up only at night so other animals don't get them.
I guess, my animals know that I have a habit of taking in strays and hurt animals and helping them. And the cats know somehow that if it is on our property they are not to bother it - very strange but they know.
In fact - I had just planted my herb garden after winter passed in pots on my front porch. A couple of robins decided to build a nest in the middle pot, right above the catnip and below the basil in the corner. I gently moved their nest to the dogwood tree in the front yard (about 15-20 feet away). They moved it back - 3 times! So I let it be and told the cats (yes - I talk to them ) to let them be. I also found at that time a blue birds nest in our hedge w/ 4 eggs. In between the dogwood and porch. Well the robins laid 3 eggs - 2 hatched, the blue birds hatched 3. None of the cats bothered any of them. In fact my oldest (the one that had the accident) actually guarded them from the feral cat that had begun hanging around. He wouldn't let him near 'his baby birds' (or maybe I'm just wishful thinking and it was really the catnip he was guarding all this time - LOL ) I'll have to ask him - LOL
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Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida | Hello all, We have had a couple of issues with our cat's and birds. It's a shame that you can't see how the birds treat our cats. The birds around us have taken to attacking our cats. I must assume that they are protecting their nests. It is quite a scene to watch the cats being pecked on the backsides as they are running across the yard. Paul would especially like that. | |
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Location: United Kingdom | Is that an ad Ferty ? I am not familiar with that site .... buying essays might defeat the object, no ? | |
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Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida | Isn't the idea of a thesis to research and to gleen new knowledge? I believe anyone who buys a paper is cheating themselves. | |
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Location: California, USA | ...or you could look at it as payment and appreciation for the time and research the author has spent into putting the paper together. It's a matter of perspective, I guess. *shrug* | |
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Location: United Kingdom | My perspective though is that the validation of a UMS practitioner certificate/academic award bestows something on the individual who has undertaken the programme; if the thesis component of that has not been completed by the individual claiming competence, but has purchased it through the offices of another, then that element of the competence cannot be so claimed, the individual's standing is not credible, and the programme itself, if it in any way condones that practice, also becomes undermined and open to criticism.
Someone seeking the assistance, guidance, or whatever, of a UMS qualified practitioner must, it seems to me, have the confidence that the practitioner has her or himself completed all elements of the programme; otherwise that someone seeking assistance is open to exploitation, and the whole exercise is a cynical purchasing of what becomes ultimately a worthless piece of paper; a 'diploma mill', as I believe the expression over there is.
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Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida | Well said Paul, that's exactly the kind of thing that a metaphysical school should avoid at all costs. There is enough questioning from the general public about the nature of our type of non secular education. There has been on this post a person (DoDa??) who accused another sister school of being a "Diploma Mill". Enough, we must keep the level of metaphysical education beyond reproach. We must keep in mind the type of bias that Christine Breese has faced in her dealings with the State of California.
If someone wants to be an author, let them write something more significant than a paper that someone else will claim as their own.
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Location: The Heart of Space | Hello all:
Alfred Russell Wallace and Charles Darwin wrote the same things at the same time. Yet, credit is given for a "theory" of evolution to Darwin, and Wallace is not heard from again until several other books are published.
If one reads "The Islands....." and other of Sir Wallace's travel books, one will find a pattern of expression. This way of saying things is distingusihable from others. If one reads the work of Darwin in "The Descent of Man" which comes after "On the Origin of Species" one may well find patterns of expression that are contrary to "On The Origin of Species"...patterns of expression that sound more like another author..one whom is just as familiar with the subject matter; and one whom we can trace affectations of writing via some travel books.
To the point, I live in an academic environment. My perspective, which is kind, is that cheating and plagiarism is rampant and accepted as a course of action amongst students. Particularly amongst older students.....as my school favors working adults as opposed to incoming freshman living in dorms. The frosh don't get bold enough to cheat and plagiarize until sophomore-junior years. The working world adults cheat and plagiarize from day one! They bring to the classroom the skills that they have learned from the working world. In our supervised exams, one must turn over all electronic devices.....but in our on-line exams, it is honor system..though the questions are spontanepous and random...even then..we run software programs to recognize strings of published text..just to be sure that someone did not cut and paste...and if you want the sad truth.....many of our students do just that....with the later on excuse that they didn't "know" that they had to give credit because it was on "THE INTERNET"......which is free of any restraint.
Notwithstanding recent events, I am firm in my belief that UMS is a fine school, and one well worth the money, if one does what is required...not that there is any pressure to do anything other than the academic integrity to pass the courses. But, the courses are like flowers with many petals....one can certainly read some pages and take an exam...but when one digs deep into the readings that provide foundation to the course..then knowledge does what it is supposed to do....and that is impart itself from one to another, in a never ending chain.
I will state how I see Paul's point so there can be no misunderstanding.....and he, as a friend, is welcome to chastise me if necessary......if you cheat you demean the school known as UMS......and I say in response that since the first classes ever held, the U Paris...spanning time to the USA....Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Princeton have all had those whose academic integrity has been questionable at best. If you cheat, you do not demean the institution, you say somethng about yourself...a thing that you will always know and never be able to hide from YOU. Your joys in success will always be tainted by the knowledge that you were not true to yourself.
For me, that is enough justice!
Sorry...WE forgot to say who we are, so that you will know who to do to as you will:
Marty and Luckylee, Poppyhead, and the Sissygirl
P.S. In the 1500's the U Paris students would routinely go into town and drink and debauch , and the gendarmes would often shoot them. Things haven't changed too much, other than the kids now shoot the gendarmes. Progress..nesc't pas?
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Location: United Kingdom | Thanks Leo ... funny Marty I guess, how perspectives and opinions can differ
I was responding from the level of a 'regulated practitioner', who is required to adhere to external regulation to protect standards; also in another capacity I regulate those standards; and am aware of how vulnerable people can be exploited by some supposedly in 'authority', who act as if they are 'laws unto themselves'.
However, as some in authority have gone through various kinds of qualification systems, clearly systems are not foolproof; but I think they are the best we can do. Although of course Freud, in his Question of Lay Analysis, was actually opposed to training requirements, as he said the 'market' would determine who was an effective practitioner and who was not (in his case, psychoanalysis). My judgement, for what it is worth, is that there has been too much abuse of others to simply allow a market 'hidden hand' to determine who practices and who sets out to help others and who not.
I write also, as one who has experienced various forms of healing and therapy, so as with vulnerabilities of my own. I have had to have some measure of determining who might be helpful and who might not. Also, experience of institutional bullying in religious environments.
Yet again, many of the great spiritual teachers had few qualifications so far as we know: though Jesus may have been the son of a carpenter. If so, he may have for a time followed in his father's footsteps. If he did, did carpenters make crosses?!
Back to more whimsical matters ... Katrina, maybe your cats are embodying your loving and benign nature? My sparrows have returned after many weeks, put off by a couple of murdered pigeons maybe .... sparrows and wild birds are becoming increasingly rare here due, in great part to cats - yours do indeed sound like tough nuts, Leo (and thanks for the affirmation, by the way) ....
Edited by Paul Joseph 9/5/2009 7:09 AM
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Why UMS?