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| I would love to hear what everyone's thoughts are on the subject of angels and aliens. Recently, I have been bombarded with information on the subject starting with the UMS course "Connecting with Angels". I saw a documentary on the History channel as well. The documentary discusses the many references within the bible that speaks of angels descending in chariots (what we would consider UFOs). There are many YouTube videos on "The Federation of Light" higher density beings that refers to us as "dear ones". At first glance, you may consider them as an ET group, but I think they are angels. We are all one, we are all angels and we have come to earth to take part in its ascension. They are doing their best to assist us in raising the planetary vibration, but ultimately it's up to us. Since my awakening in August 2008, I have stumbled upon so many metaphysical topics that fascinate me. This is just one of many topics that I would love to discuss with you all. The most amazing thing, is as soon as I think I've figured something out, something comes along to blow my original hypothesis out the window.  | |
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Location: The Heart of Space | Hi CrysBluper....
I am glad that you and many other people take this seriously. There are many posts across various threads relating to this.
I, as a historian, believe that there was "alien" intervention in the course of history. I will accept that the massive ancient pyramids "could" have been built with contemporaneous technology, but I would still want someone to explain to me how the intricate artwork was done in the burial chambers. You cannot paint in darkness...you need light! The mirror theory don't cut it! Mirrors do not provide enough dispersed light for the intricacies of hieroglyphs on walls.....no.....there was artificial illumination. (Nah, not torches, the soot and ash would be known and seen).
Spook yourself out when you have some time....look at the eyes on the burial images of Ahkneton ( I am using popular spellings for our few Eqyptologists ), the radical, heretical, Pharoah, who was said to be deformed......his head was bigger...like the drawings of those who saw aliens.......and the eyes are THE SAME!!!!! I love it when people tell me that this is all coincidence....since I know it isn't!
But, to answer your questions with some specificity (in my humble world), as a student at UMS, a Roman Catholic, Rosicrucian, and member of Mensa; I have every reason to believe in the existence of "forces" that one might choose to name angels. And I am fundamentally convinced that the earth would be populated by Neanderthal and Homo Erectus had it not been for an otherworldly intervention, which created Homo Sapiensis-The Aware Man.
I do not know if the presence of angels and aliens is one and the same...I tend to think that things are, by nature, related....but that is a mindset that historians start out with in order to have a basepoint to figure out what things mean.
Maybe I will be moved enough one day to say what happened...and why.
Peace and Love
Marty and Syllabus Sillybus School Cats, Luck, Popp, and Sissy (if I am lost please return me to my home)
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| Of all the metaphysical topics I have come across and have some idea about, angels and aliens are the two that leave me perplexed. I've not had encounters with either and find their existence difficult to grasp. Though I cannot claim to believe we are the only "people" in the universe, I can't find myself going along with a lot of the things I've heard people mention about aliens on other sites. I'd be more inclined to consider aliens as inhabitants of other planets or galaxies, like those in Star Trek- but I'm not a "Trekkie" either 
So, I'll be reading this thread with interest, and experiencing any courses related to either of the two topics, with an open mind and the hope of greater understanding.
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| My husband and I (mostly my husband, because the read is very technical/scientific) is reading the RA Material; The Law of One. It is a 5 volume book that is basically a challening of a 6 density being. A group got together and over a course of years, set up a controlled environment in which to channel this being. In it, there is detailed information about how the great pyramid was built along with other reasons for the temple such as helping priests attain higher levels of consciousness. According to RA, the pyramid was built using halographic images created by mass awareness/intent which was then lowered down. Very interesting read which also goes into many other mysteries. Another good book; The Gods of Eden; which gets into the idea that aliens were the ones who indeed visited and played star roles in the bible we know today. | |
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| To me, I think that there are both aliens and angels. A lot of messages from my angels come through my dreams and meditations. I think the angels all have assignments in different areas of life in the higher dimensions that they help us all with. I have had many intuitive encounters with my main guardian angel since I was about six years old, a few guardian angels that have stayed with me over many years, and some guardian angels come, stay for a short period of time, and then they go while another group of them arrive. I have received many messgaes in dreams and meditations from the Archangels, not just the four mentioned in the "Connecting with Angels" course (Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, and Raphael) but some other ones by the names of Ariel and Raziel. One of my big influences in this subject is Doreen Virtue, an author who has written many books on angels and does her work involving angel therapy. Her books helped me to understand more about my adventurous dreams that I've had over the years in regards to symbols involving angels that I couldn't figure out on my own.
As far as the subject of aliens, I think there are different life forms in different galaxies and dimensions within this universe. I think some of those life forms are more advanced in their way of life like in technology that we on earth may not even know about and adapting to one's planet faster than humanity has adapted at a slower pace to rapid changes on the earthplane. I think a lot of the aliens are among us and here to help us adjust to rapid changes because of how the earth is reforming herself within our particular solar system, and helping us to advance in new ways of life without taking them for granted. I haven't taken the UMS "ETs and Aliens" course yet; but, I'm pretty sure I'll learn more soon. | |
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Location: The Heart of Space | Hi all:
This has gotten exciting and challenging!
I want to reply to three posters on specific points but my mind is a jumble now, and I don't know where to begin.
Why are angels named after Judeo-Christian mythos? I mean the "New Age" angels! Of course, some new angels are introduced into the lineage, but did we ever know the names of ALL the angels?
Creationists believe that there is no direct evidence that says evolution is true. I believe that evolution is as regular as the ticks of the clock in your hallway. But I, as well as Creationists, recognize that some things are explainable only by a philosophy of intervention...the BibleZealots like to say it was God....I like to think that it was "US" (you and me) except from another world....a world which we had to leave and explore the universe for another home. Because we screwed up in our former home.
Make no mistake, I do not see us as noble or, even, heroic people. We are, most likely, leeches and parasites...we exhibit the very same behaviour......and we have messed up our home Earth...and now we have got to figure out an exit strategy. Just ask the Dodo Bird for the true assessment of our reign on this planet. The name is ironic.....it used to mean how dumb the bird was....now it is a testimony to how stupid we are, as we travel down the Dodo's path.
Peace and Celestial Light,
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| Moving right along then, there is the idea that aliens helped our progress or evolution; that possibly we may still be swinging from the trees if they didn't come down to interfer with our genetics. That we all have this alien dna within us. Starting off as slave like, but boistrous and troublesome to the advanced beings. Another race soon came into the scene progressing us even further. This idea comes from the book "Garden of Eden" by William Bramley. If you think of how we progressed in the last hundred years in the way of technology it's astounding. Obviously, we didn't keep pace in our spiritual evolution, because if we did, we'd be living in utopia. We are like children with toys, many of which should have warning labels on them...not intended for children under the age of 75! | |
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Location: United Kingdom | As Marty says, these matters have been touched on on different threads before, so some of what I say can be found amplified before. Some brief reflections then, maybe ....
For me, to say life here evolved helped by aliens raises another question of, who helped the aliens evolve ?
Physics may help us to re-interpret time and space so that long distance space travel becomes a more realistic possibility, but until then, certain metaphysicians speak of bilocation, astral travel to distant worlds, etc (eg, Paramahansa Yoganda); thus, spiritual discernment might require no technology (some, cannot recall who, recalls telling a Native American shaman that about the moon landings, and received the reply, 'oh that's nothing, my grandfather went there many times').
Alien visitors could be ourselves coming back to ourselves !
I agree much with Jill above too, and Indigo (nice colour!).
Turning to angels, my sense making of this phenomena is that one of our purposes here is the opportunity to learn to become angels - by perfoming random acts of kindness, and other such activities - as we become open to the realm of Grace, the realm of Grace opens to us and for us: that, for me, is our true evolution.
As I walked past a little girl in a high chair in a restaurant yesterday, never seen her before, she smiled at me and her whole face lit up; I have no idea why, but I responded and there was an overwhelming aura of happiness and bliss in that instant. At that moment for me, she was an angel (for many reasons my spirits were yearning for such a lift - the universe responded, beautifully).
As for pyramids - and other ancient structures, sacred geometry the world over, carved with such precision and found in the oldest most remote places with a resonant, similar mathematical architecture: my money is on the existence of a much older civilization, destroyed in the mythical Flood. This was first defined by Plato as Atlantis in Timmaeus, who referred to a land beyond the Atlantic before the 'Americas' had been 'discovered'. More recent researchers claim to have found Atlantis in America (Erikson and Zapp, and others; also, Graham Hancock); that they were a seafaring nation, very advanced, and sacred structures, and the legacy of them can be derived from those master builders who built in stone, as they knew this was the only material that would survive the great deluge that their astronomy predicted.
These are just some short, random jottings, there's much more could be said.
Nice to be in touch
Paul
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Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Hi everyone,
Doing all I can to live a signicant life, still. Just got a job after 7 months of not having one. And then I was hit by three of them all at once. I chose the best one.
Going without a job for 7 months was alien enough for me. Really put my values in place. I really appreciate things more deeply, like my wife, Ruchell, breath, existence, consciousness, food, water. Really greatful for all that. Shelter. Heat.
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Location: United Kingdom | Ruchell = Ruach ? Breathe of the Divine, No ?
Forgive me if I encroach. I always love your posts.
'Baruch ata donnai', or some such - the sacred Judaic blessing, misspelt, probably, but - said with total respect - my feeling is here/there/everywhere ... corrections always gratefully received ...
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Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Hi Paul,
My wife's name, Ruchell, is from the Philappinnes(sp?), pronounced Ro-shell. She is a true blessing on earth. She comes from a land with at least 85% unemployment.
People there are living meal to meal, if they're lucky. Needless to say she knows the true value of a job, any job, and is quite valued by her place of work. She's a true
(capitalistic) American. No such thing as a lousy job in her mind, just lousy attitudes. That fact certainly has been driven home to me lately. I didn't expect to have 3 job offers at once after 7 months and about 100 resumes. Life is good! Really Good! I'm certainly in the moment.
Peace, contentment, and fulfillment is now,
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Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Hi Crystal, Welcome aboard UMS,
My wife is an angel on earth, by the way. I'm married to an angel, no doubt in my mind!
True,
Robert
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Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Yes Paul,
For me the "Breath of the Divine" is that breath, the only breath, is the gift that has been given to me, and keeps me alive; keeps me conscious and allows me to appreciate and be greatful, thankful actually, and have clarity with and for all the gifts I have inherited from my birth, at least!
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| imo: i feel the reason we did not evolve to utopia is because we became entrapped in the physical. I believe we are all fallen angels here to relearn how to free ourselves and others (humanity) from this physical entrapment but the key word is learn. From what ive learned their possibly was a time where we were free to come and go from the physical body without death being the only option.
This past November I was under a great deal of stress However, I had the most beautiful dream of a angel who came up from behind me and quickly wrapped his (felt like a male energy aggressive) arms around me and we began to spin very quickly like a top. I could feel the vibration and pull, I intutively knew i was being taken somewhere when we stopped I intuitively knew I had entered another dimension. I was in awe from this experiance. I was observing at a distance some men performing some type of surgery in a electric blue lighted room. I began to think, I would like to learn how that angel focused and got me to this place, but I felt a strong message from the angel to focus on these men and what they weir doing so I could share it with all of humanity..unfortunately my desire to feel the love and warmth of the angel and understand how the angel got me to that dimension overode my focus on the men and thier endevor so i was no longer present in that particular place..however I was able to hold onto that feeling of love and warmth from focusing on that vibration and angel my dream continued and I awoke very happy.
I do believe in angels I have had some interesting experiances proving thier existance to me ..however I do focus on the belief they exist and hold the desire to connect with them so pehaps thats why i manifest such experiances.
Thank you for allowing my input,
Starsey xx
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| also i would like to add "surgery" symbolically or in dream language i believe would mean to make the attitude whole...as i do agree with the theory that it is our own attitudes that manifest our physical dis-orders (disease).
Thank you again,
I will look for that scientific book u mentioned crystal ty for mentioning it.
Starsey xx
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| ah angels,my favourite,or one of,subjects,if i were a famous historian,from long ago,with theories etc,then died,leaving books etc,i would be beleived as being factual,but i am a mere mortal,with not so genius intelligence,so what i say would not count in history.Many historians,etc have had their beleifs,myths exploded,proved otherwise,by more modern such,and so it will always be.I can only beleive what i personaly see and experience,hence,i beleive in angels,(there goes that song again),to me there is no doubt.As for aliens,aviation,the government etc,keep important data locked away,we,ll never see,i beleive somehting is and has been going on for a long time,in regards to taking over the earth,i.e.mere mortals,someone is pulling the strings,causing the things,destruction,that is happening at this moment of time.The invention of better and boigger technology,is not nesseserely(wrong spelling)a good thing,but in fact very bad,and centred on a goal to destroy,like big brother,we are being watched,by humans with ill intent.As for alens,i can,t see any connection,it may be so that there are so many planets out there,some undiscovered as yet,that it is possible there is some form of being living,i don,t know,if i encounter one,whilst awake,i will have a different opinion,as yet,i don,t store much by encounters told in books,if there are,why haven,t they shown themselves to all,by now,i,m sure someone will have an answer to that,but i still won,t beleive,fact to me is what is see,and encouunter,so aliens 1,angels 10,i do beleive many humans are aleins,taken in a different context of the word,as thois subject suggests,on the other hand,i know that angels walk the earth among us,whichever way,live for the moment,it is all we have,iris x | |
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| Wow, Starsy, what a wonderful dream! I would like to comment on the great replies and the fact that everyone is so open and non judgemental. All is well! I will continue to ponder, as we all do, but I have a nagging suspicion that who we considered angels in days gone by are the very same when we speak of inter-dimensional beings, aliens or space brothers and sisters! There is some serious work being done on the subject and I'm always open to everyone's opinion on this and any subject! Starsy, I too am so appreciative of my husband who has been patient with me and stuck with me even though I was sleepwalking through most of our life together. I used to think of his interests in metaphysics, the universe and spirituality as quirky to say the least, now I can't get enough of what he has to say! This year we will be married 29 years! | |
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Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | I think when we truly discover the light within, and our own passages and unfolding within that light and knowledge, we will find that we are pretty amazing creatures ourselves! Magnificent! To say the least. As long as we stay in balance with universal law, there are no limits within that light and the law. Simplicity is one of the keys. Seek the cause behind all effect (s). The "kindom of heaven" is within you and is within the present moment. "The past has forgotten us, and the the future dosen't know we exist." Right here and now, there is so much knowledge available to us on planet earth. Humbly, I say, there is enough knowledge on earth to fill a universe with peace, love, contentment, and fulfillment never before felt by most of mankind and womankind -- Forever! Felt within! Its already within us! Tap in! Engage! Truly, the adventure, is within us, always. (It is for me anyway).
"Absolute Soveigncy" is a sexed phenomena, shared equally between a man and a woman. It is sacred. It is shared from within.
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Nothing is wrong... still around, as always. Just peace filled. Feels good.
I hope everything is well with you.
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"The past has forgotten us, and the the future dosen't know we exist."
That is a very nice New Age think-speak quote but also one which is simply not true. If the author would care to debate the point privately or in public; I am ready and fully able.
You, I, my cats, and all of us are living the past...and a past that (if learned from) would have guided us better. And, you, I, my cats, and all of us live in the future....one which is misdirected by those who would exploit ANY situation to a certain benefit.
The general public "you" lives today....with little or no regard for anything except the dialectic materialism of momentary pleasures.
You care not that you have to plan to leave this planet for your kids kids kids, because it is screwed up and unredeemable. It is far easier to place blame and investigate why..then to transcend that and start to do something......anything...to bring awareness to the problem.
And this brings us to our original question............will the teeming billions of people leave Earth?
No, not likely! But those of the "alien" blood will leave and start this board all over again somewhere, sometime, someplace.
Peace and Love,
Marty and Kosmic Kats, Luck, Popp, and Siss
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Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Hi mroppert,
Its not "new age" think-speak. It is entirely true. Do you live in the "past," or the "future"? Honestly?
In other words, when do you experience (if you do), peace, real peace? It is a choice. Is it in the "past," the present, or the "future." When, are you able, as it "were"? To experience peace(?). Where? Is it within you? When is your peace?
Karma? Do you have peace? For myself, I have never found it in the future or in the past. Never.
Absolute Sovereigncy
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| p.s. i recalled and noticed that I omitted a part of the dream and for what its worth I thought I would add these facts now.
i noticed on the hand of the male angel a tatoo with two hearts connected that read
" you love"
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Location: The Heart of Space | Oh no, my friend, it is INDEED new age think speak....it is the upcoming idiom....those words from which the new order will propose as rallying points.....I pity those who suffer false prophets!!!!
Peace,
Marty and Cats Galore (Pussy Galore) Luckylee, Poppyhead and SissyGirl
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Location: Queensland Australia | Inner Paths to Outer Space: Journeys to Alien Worlds through Psychedelics and Other Spiritual Technologies
Pretty much some people voulenteer to be injected with large vials of liquid dmt, most of them talk about seeing colours like in a kaleidoscope heh thats the psychedelic part of things they also talk of connection with other beings and different levels of conciousness. one man in the book is injected with four vials of dmt every hour for four hours haha the other half of the book talks about the endocrine system, the mystic's path and the perceived reality of hallucinations.
Connecting with your Angels by Doreen Virtue is very informative on the topic, she talks about how Angels guide beings on other planets and the increasing angelic guidence on earth, when i was working on a cherry farm in S.A (australia) there was a storm and my tent flooded, i woke up in a pool of water the one item that the water didn't touch was Doreen Virtue's Connecting with your Angels, Its a good book | |
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Location: United Kingdom | Oh yes I forgot to add, an oft cited quote from me here, but seems to fit ... from St Theresa of Avila =
All the Way to Heaven is Heaven
(though I think the induced DMT drug, etc routes, are short cuts, best avoided in my humble opinion ... you may also be aware of all those other similar texts, such as by Dr John Lilly, Carlos Castaneda, Aldous Huxley, etc?)
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Location: Queensland Australia | Carlos Casteneda now there's a man who's not afaird of a psychotropic plant or two hahaha
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Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Hi mruppert,
Whatever. Dosen't change my mind. It actually is simple. "Me thinks thee protest too much."
Peace is within and felt in the present moment, false prophets or not. A is A.
Absolute Sovereigncy
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Location: United Kingdom | Aha Z - a waterproof book !? Sounds like might be a good life raft.
Good story in the Bible about Balaam's Ass, who sees an angel, where Balaam does not (mentioned before here eons back
http://www.biblical-art.com/biblicalsubject.asp?id_biblicalsubject=...
and the Ass is at first beaten for his loyalty and devotion ....
Aliens and Alienists is a book about the hisotry of psychiatry - Alienists being an old name for psychiatrists ....
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Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Hi Paul,
I've always viewed psychotropic drugs and their use like visiting someones elegant house with a gorgeous view. The problem is the house is not yours, it is not owned
authentically by you and its not your view. You don't own the true value of the house or the view. Just chiming in with what you have stated.
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Location: United Kingdom | Thanks and hello there dear Robert .... good way of putting it .... I tried to smoke a 'joint' once, but since I do not smoke cigarettes, I did not know how to inhale, so passed on that;
a year or three back, I had to have some fairly major surgery accompanied by a general anesthetic, which I dreaded. As I was drifting off, they realized I had not signed my consent form, which I did readily and quickly, as I felt myself going under to the powerful effects of Morphine. Upon rousing, very gently, I felt that I was coming to in Heaven, surrounded by angelic nurses. I can still recall that sensation, and the understanding of why those major sedatives are so addictively attractive, yet too, the realization as to why they do not make good short cuts, not least I guess, we can so easily end up mistaking the route for the goal -
the view for the house:
"our destiny is certain, though unknowable"
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Location: Vancouver, Washington USA UMS student | Hi Paul,
Yes. Been there, done that. Seems like another life "reincarnation" spent in hell, even though it seemed pleasurable at the time. Drugs are a "false prophet," at least as a source of seeming pleasure, which is fleeting at best. They really drag you in to the "past time" illusion and keep you locked out of the present moment. And they really don't make for a pleasant "future time" illusion either. Again, you loose the key to the living present moment and rob yourself of inner peace and the light within. It can be excused away as a "learning" experience in the long run, I suppose, as long as you are of leaving it all behind for experinces of greater substance and the true self.
Sure glad I have "matured" through the moment by moment process of time.
Peace is within,
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Location: The Heart of Space | Weak stomached people..do yourself a favor and don't read this.. no need to upset yourselves.
But, in contradiction, it is extremely pleasant here and now, as the point juices it up and one can ride a wave of peace, love and understanding, though one doesn't dwell too much on it in a piss filled room with a bunch of junkies.
Every single one of them is aware of the present, and more aware of the future than most will ever be...because the future comes real quick...depending on the shit you do....and for those that are not careful...the future is now and OVER!
However, to say that it is a correct mode to think of only now is not within our nature, in its natural form, or its most aberrant form. These foaming mouthed od's SEE the future and WANT to live in it......perhaps to flirt with the past, as they just did, a moment or eons ago.
Peace n' Good Thymes,
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Location: United Kingdom | hmmm .. for the sake of roundedness and also a propos Marty's reminder of earlier members (Disa and Jillifer - good see you here too 'old' friends from way back in 2009!) .. this thread also features references to Hancock as well as Atlantis ..
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