D,

What you describe seems to be syncronisity, you can go to spiritualblessing(dot)org and download the 105 spiritual laws and also find the ascension symptoms / manifestations By Dr Jeanie

The fear or any fear is a change energy think of it like a hurdle to overcome, as fear is what calls the hardest to be solved in our life. But the lesson is to realize we need to accept the thing we can not change, the courage to change the things we can and the wisdom to know the difference.

But fear is like heat from a fire in spiritual growth, along with negative emotions, even Mother Theresa was tormented and doubted God. So negative emotions are here for a reason, they are the change energy cycle we go through before we obtain more spiritual power

You seem to be at the point where you in syncronosity, and things keep looking the same, and we seem to be in touch with unseen forces. But the real confusing stuff is there to wear down a busy mind so the energy can come through.

The awakening comes in stages, read in the bible where the spirit leaped from Elizabeth to Mary, the mothers of Jesus and John the baptist. So when I no longer need an energy it get dismissed and finds it's way in the Que to the person who needs it and is ready and WILLING to accept it. So the spiritual growth goes in cycles or groups of people. And when I release a change energy another comes along before too long or I get a spiritual holiday to intergrate the energy

I can not say yes or no to your question, but there are many who you are light speeds ahead of, because you and God / the spirit / holly spirit / or the greater conschiness.... What ever u call it and you need to decide your path, I am just a person along the way who thinks he has woken up. Please know I can be wrong and this is just my opinion and heartfelt truth, and what I pass along to you needs to feel right to you. But if the same things keep popping up then you might want to consider going down the path to addressing them. Example if you keep getting the same message over and over, I usually say three times then I search my heart and find the emotions that seem the truest to me

XOXO

Hi and Welcome Jo-Jo

I am not so convinced that life is just a countdown to those who do and do not accept Jesus. Jesus did say I have sheep that are not of this fold. In acts they were not allowed by the Holly Spirit to go to Asia and preach, and Jesus did say no greater love does a man have than he lay down his life for a friend, and Love is the greatest gift and conquers all.

So if a person dies to save a friend and was not baptized or had not accepted Jesus in the traditional sense that preachers and priests indicate and committed the greatest display of love possible by what Jesus was quoted as saying, then how would God deny them entry to the place considered as Heaven...

The bible might be more of more assistance for sociopaths and their guide to redemption.

Less than a year ago I saw a Catholic priest and asked him why it felt like I had a second heart beat in the right side of my chest, and he indicated after some discussion that the people who are close to God can develop the heart of God inside them.

From the Christian point of view, any Jewish person who died from beyond one second of when Jesus died will by default not enter heaven except 144 thousand who ride through the tribulation. And any religion that does not accept Jesus and speak of him as their personal savior prior to death, forever become banished from God for eternity, then at Judgment day they will have to say Jesus is Lord on their way to hell after the judgment.  Of the Christians thinking they are "saved" not all that ask for Jesus will be accepted. So if we take a percentage of Forgiven believers across time and all cultures of Earth and the covenant they were forgiven under... We are possibly at less than 30 %.  This almost sounds like a country club admission for the reason that at least 70 % of the time people do not change their religion from what they were taught as children. So being born in a Christian based country means privilege and heir to be one with God.

I am not so sure it is as hard as one way to heaven, I feel like there are 6 trillion paths to God and he/she/it resides inside of us, and we just have to awaken our God component.

I am not sure if the biblical account of Jesus being the only way to heaven, if I still want to go there as wont I live with the grief of the eternal separation that all of those who did not make it, and I got in because of where I was born.

Could it be that God is so large that where I live I see his big toe, and someone in the next country See's Gods hair... Could our view of God just be where we are located and the experiences we have been through. I have shared with many people that we need to daily seek the God of our understanding to show us the path become one with God/ Universe

XOXO

Hello to all:

     "One of the things that drew me to UMS was its catholicity [in the true sense of that term" (Ooops....the earthquake shook loose a bracket)-PJay quote....the first part, not the earthquake part.

      Yes, Paul, I agree with you and I do so as a Roman Catholic, in the true sense of the catholic term.

      No incompatibilities or contradictions here, there, or anywhere for me.

      Science and the religious experience are one and the same....a chance to touch the hand, or means, of creation.

Peace up!

Marty y dos gatas  Lucky and Poppy

Hey Jo-Jo,

Thanks for taking the time to share with us!

Most every religion reports back the issue of something described as hades, I use the phrase hades because according to revelations hell does not open for business until after judgment day, so hell does not yet exist according to the bible. But people who have come back to life after being resurrected on a surgery table claim on of 2 experiences + or a - one. But people who live on the spiritual side of life or Spiritualists tend to try to help others who one ask for help, and two the feel lead to help them. This does not involve volunteering where others seem to be wrong unless asked to help with a problem, and then the solution needs to be biased on things they asked for help with. I will agree that sometimes people we know well and have had many interactions with we sometimes try to help them circumvent their shortcomings, but this is dangerous territory, as we inventory other peoples faults.

The story where God asked Abraham for his first born to offered on the alter to God as a sacrifice was not a hey my name is God, put you kid / heir on the alter and kill him! Abraham absolutely knew the Spirit of the Living God for the promise, and this is the premise of understanding God, where we do not have any doubt about what we are supposed to do.

Either we can believe we were wasting our time here on Earth or we are here for a reason and Everything has a reason, or chance circumstances haphazardly got us to where we are. To say we are lost forever without Jesus implies that we are here and if by chance we accept him we are no longer living a meaningless life implies passage to eternity by only the concept of a name or words spoken to allow us to correctly cross the barrier of death into eternity.  Some spiritual teaching explain that the (I am using a concept here to explain, so please allow me a little leeway to explain a point) worst sinner is here to learn the abuse of power and the effect it has on the human soul, and every soul needs to spend time abusing power to understand and control negative emotions.

We talk about the power of the God of Moses, the great I AM, he had the power according to the bible to kill all of the first born in Egypt who did not have Lamb's blood placed on the upright and horizontal sections of their doorways,,, I am fairly sure if I pry to this same God and ask for it to show me the will of God for my life, IT is more than capable.

The issue of Jesus' mother being a virgin, how much importance is that to to manifesting a miracle in the name of God, so does it really matter to you or me if this is true or not, I perceive this as a matter of privacy and a need to know basis, and anyone who was to marry her... as their question to ask and important to them if they wanted to know the answer.

If you closely read the Genesis account of the creation and the Seven day time period and read bible scholars and the explanations they provide of darkness and void was upon the face of the deep, it could be read as something was here and the Earth was remolded or reformed. So either there were T Rex in the Garden of Eden and on Noah's Arc or there was life before the Genesis account. So which is more likely of an explanation to the issue of fissile records with layers of dirt and sediment upon these fossils that are 65 to 130 Million years old and every scientist is incorrect in their carbon dating. By the way, Millions of tons of dust drop to Earth each day covering the Earth with a layer of fine dust each day, and over millions of years, adds up to feet of dirt!  I also understand that God does not do things without a reason / need so why would we need a creature in the Garden of Eden with 4 inch serrated knife teeth (T Rex) what purpose would this creature provide in paradise / Garden of Eden, unless the T Rex was here from before the creation account.

The explanation you present of the devil seems to be that of what evangelical preachers indicate and not what the bible seems to indicate. The devil is or adversary, not our enemy in Jude 1:9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"  If you ask any scholar if the devil is Satan they might say yes, but they will also explain this is an assumption that can not be proven in the written text through the bible, because it is not addressed there.

There will always be an issue of free will, and accepting we are not supposed to tell others where they have made mistakes, even Jesus did not judge a person when he was living according to the scriptures, so as a Christian I am not supposed to either, the Holly spirit can do this for me as I draw the line at telling others their shortcomings, I am just here to help those that ask for help and in the parameters they allow. I like what Job 12:7-9 explains "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds of the air, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish of the sea inform you. Which of all these does not know that the hand of the LORD has done this?  As most Christians do not feel the energy of the universe, Job tells us it is there to try to absorb and how to do it. I have never heard a minister indicate that we could get understanding from the creation by trying to understand thing around us, it seems to be more of a preacher indicating that they will guide you to God, but you need to get instructions from them, or you will become lost. When in fact we used to walk and talk with God in the Garden before we sinned.

But since Jesus died and was resurrected, what else do we need to get from God before we can walk and talk with God... The final price was paid for sin, so accept it and walk the walk as Jesus got us there and back with God sort of like what a brother should do them

XOXO

Hi Paul,

Your point is well expressed, kudos!

If someone is Christian today, there is a lineage through Catholic doctrine as Martin Luther with the 95 point thesis was instrumental in getting us the bible we have today. Early in Luther's life he risked his life by the 95 point thesis and attached this thesis to the door of the church at the risk of being killed as a heretic. Back in those days if you argued a point too well with the church, the penalty was death for pissing off a Catholic church official.

Love and Light

nickyducky2,

sometimes awakining and a shift is in your hands. sometimes you find the hand of others. I feel that you should take these things and desision for yourself. you may find the best answer.

peace

Hi Jo-Jo

We use the website to learn how to express our opinions better and learn as we go, there is really no bad expression, just ones we have not practiced well. I feel I am well versed on the bible, but do not accept the negative connotation that people use when the explain what I need to do after they read it. I view the bible as something I need to first understand and then follow, not something to tell everyone to follow. It is not for me to say where others are lacking or fall short of, that is the job for God to show others their shortcomings.

Jesus was quoted for saying Greater works will people do than I... So we can get as close to God as Jesus did.  If Jesus died on the cross and the price for sin was paid, what else needs to be done before we are like we were in the Garden of Eden and walk with God again. So I am not sure we are sinners anymore

Babel means to confound.

The age of accountability is 20 and above for the people who saw the miracles of God through Moses in Egypt and saw the Red Sea part... except Joshua and Kaleb So the children who die under the age of 20 return to God without judgment, and aborted children should fall under the same hospice

Jesus was quoted as saying I have sheep that are not of this fold, any person who care more about others than their self does not seem to need saving

There seems to be many ways to find God, and what we call sin and temptation almost seems necessary for us to realize what we want and don't want for our self.  Organized religion seems to be here to help us to cross over the barrier of death and breaking the karmic cycle we carry of destruction

XOXO

Hello All:

Leo, the only thing I would comment on is that not all science sees reality in the way you describe. Many avenues of science see reality as, indeed, perceptual. Notwithstanding Dawkins, let us suppose (as a matter of fact more than suppose..take it as a certainty of the human psyche) that Hawking asked, prayed, begged, demanded, cajoled, whiddled, whined, whatever to a higher power to relieve him of the suffering that he does endure. Well, it didn't happen. His conclusion hence is that there is no higher power. And that, at face value, is a very valid conclusion. Think of it from his perspective....a mechanical man.....who has no hope of being a real man in any sense of the word  as some would perceive it. A brilliant man.....in a chair with diminishing means to communicate to the world around him. There is no God for him and he wishes us all to know that.

I am an RCatholic, and the organized church tells me abortion is wrong under any circumstance, but if there are  some terrorists than it is okay to blow their &^%$ up. Evolution is a truth, yet most of my own religion and other religions would have me believe otherwise. It has been up to me to reconcile my belief in religion with science and human discourse. I am only able to do this as I have had a "religious experience" which sets me apart from those that have not....Dawkins and Hawking included, as well as the Pope and most Christians, Jews and Muslims. For me, it is not about the Bible, or my church, or my synagogue, or my mosque or my ashram for that matter. It is about a power greater than anything explainable intervening in my life with direct consequences.

Foxman and JoX2: The Bible, The Koran, The Necronomicon are books (one of which is a book within a book)! Satan didn't write the Bible, Allah didn't write the Necronomicon, and God didn't write the Koran......wait a minute.....I think I got confused.... Satan didn't write the Koran, and God wrote Chicken Soup for the Jewish Soul and Allah wrote The Adventures of Tom Abdullah-Bin-Sawyer. No.....Satan wrote Harry Potter and the Sausages Stone, and Allah wrote The Bible and God wrote The Good Earth by Pearl S. Buck, God was using a pseudonym....ain't God clever!!!!!!     Dudes....take the word of a person who speaks from experience....you guys are talking about a "book"; one that purports to relate things that occurred many years prior to the authorship(s) of the text. To you, it is as valid a way of life as Atlas Shrugged is/was for Absolute Soveriegnty (we haven't heard from him in a long time.....but not as long as NTET). Based on what goes on today, I wish a certain segment of people would stop reading the bible....because it is causing them to become unChristian.....they ain't reading the faith, hope and charity parts, they are reading the onward Christian soldiers part.

Therefore my advice:

1) if you interpret everything you read with a grain of salt, you will get really thirsty; if you interpret everything you read with a grain of blue sunshine you will get really high and read the same sentence one million times. Either way, what you read will mean the same as it did before you read it.

2) not everything God wrote is written by God, because God had Holy Ghost writers. These are not to be confused with ghost writers, since the later only write in haunted houses. Just ask Stephen King.

3) Bible and Babble are only separated by 2 letters and repitition. HOWEVER, Babylon is a city in Long Island, New York or as the Jewish people know it...Lon Giland Nu Yawk. I am, personally, in awe of the connotations this has.

4) Not advice...just a.... Hello Cause.....where have you been?

5) Sincerely, I respect each and every one of your beliefs. We live in a more advanced form of society that practices diversity to the extent that everyone is right and no one is wrong. Let us all live up to that and let us all try not to be so preachy.....as was sung...."the only one who could ever teach me was the son of a preacher man".....Dusty Springfield......but we (those few folks my age) remember her for "You Don't Have To Say You Love Me".

Rambling on is over....more serious business to attend to....see the new thread!\\

Peace and Love and All Such Stuff,

Marty, Luckylee, Poppyhead

Hi Jo-Jo,

You are the only one who knows what you experienced, and you are the judge.

There are correlations to near death experiences, hallucinating and spirituality. The North American Indians felt that a person who was hallucinating was talking to God or the spirits.

They say the Kundalini energy can be forced open / on by using drugs, but this practice of doing this alone is dangerous, as the energy can be too much to control. Also the say if this is done it should be done with a Shaman guidance only, as this is similar to sleep deprivation or a sweat lodge event

Love and Light

Hi Leohhh:

     Astute observations, and, which I very much see the same as you.

     I am not sure that the search inward to explain the otherwordly is "new" per se. I tend to think that this avenue of explanation has been around for years. Monasticism and the Hermetic lifestyle, even in days gone by, sought to connect with a universal consciousness. By default, the search ended in self realization and actualization.

     The concept that technology is married to consciousness is tantalizing but, alas, unsatisfying. The New Atlantis, which is a journal of technology, science and society, oftentimes addresses this theme in a practical way. For example, The Arab world (read Islam) turned away from science. The fundamentalist Christian world seeks to emulate Islam by doing exactly the same. So we can conclude that jihad and crusade are the same. And we can further demonstrate that the "evil" of technology is the primary weapon by which these truths are fought and won (or lost).

      If we are to actually examine technology (as in "a massive consciousness computer" we find a compelling yet distasteful truth. The vanguard of science seeks to make computers human. That is just not going to happen. Computers, even those armed with advanced AI logarithms, follow instructions. Humans do NOT follow instructions. Computers need a continuous source of energy...I pull the plug and the Cray super computer is a hunk of metal that is totally useless. While many humans are big hunks that are totally useless, just as many others are exceptionally talented and adept. Science approaches it bass-ackwards. We don't make computers human; we make humans computers! And, we do so for useful things. A computer can recite prime numbers  ad nauseum, but of what use is calculating a googleplex long prime number as long as we humans know what the nature of a prime number is. The statement of a prime number is not what makes it prime, it is the nature of the prime number that makes it prime and, hence, unique. 13 is 13. 13 is a prime number. But no one of us needs to remember that 13 is a prime number or that a million digit number is a prime number. To understand the concept, we just need to know that a prime is divisible by 1 and itself.

I am starting to ramble a bit, so I conclude: to say that input/output consciousness modeling is viable is so as bit of calculus and essentially correct. In being as correct as it is, it entirely misses the essence of consciousness. 13 is 13 and 13 is prime, But, 13 is also the cause of fear and superstition in many cultures and of celebration and joy in other cultures.

It is as if the guys you mentioned want to take back the bathwater that was thrown out, but have, once again, forgotten the baby that goes with it.

Leo, I always am enthused by your dos centavos...I hope you crank up to tres!

Your Pals, and bits and bytes of peace to all,

Marty, Luckylee, Poppyhead

Edited by me as I had too much t in distasteful...new laptop and I am not used to the keyboard.

P.S. Foxmania-I am now way way beyond Win 3.1...I have something called Windows 7 Lite....how did the Radio Shack dude know that I needed a dieter's laptop? Maybe he saw me eating not one, not two, but three slices of pizza at the Mall. That dude didn't know nothin' about Tandy computers or Micronta and had never heard  of a Zilog processor. He wasn't impressed that I knew what TRS meant, as in TRS-80. But he schooled me as to how to look at porn on the internet and not leave any traces....how do these 16 yo's know all this stuff?

Edited by mruppert 9/6/2011 8:43 PM

Hi J-O-J-O;

     Well okay, but God gave them to the guys who wrote a bunch of Torahs way before the Christian guys named Exodus and Deuteronomy got them. Maybe God changed publishers, ya think?

      So, what was the effect of the Ten Commandments?

      1) The bible guys wanted God to go around and promote the new book but God didn't like being on the road that much SOOOO he sent his son to do the book club/lecture/town hall circuit. This got his son in a world of trouble.

      2) Exodus, whose family called him Ex as a nickname, started a group that went around doing superpowerful things, and they became known as the Ex-Men. I think that part of the story is in another holy book or maybe in Marvel Comics, I don't remember which since we Catholics read both.

      3) Dueteronomy shortened his first name to Ron and revealed his last name, which was Jericho, but since that was taken by a Mt. Horeb World Wrestling Federation wrestler, he changed it, yet again, to Jerremy. I am to embarrassed to tell you what Ron did then for a living. But, he was definitely in "The Shores of Babylon" which I think is about Moby Dick frightening young woman bathers off the coast of Long Island, New York.

      Now, seriously, I am amazed at how people of certain beliefs speak of God as removed from themselves. My faiths (I have several formal belief systems and a universal understanding of how they fit together) all say that "God"...Leo will have another way of saying God, maybe universal consciousness?... is with all of us constantly. It is the Catholic belief that this is so. A large segment of Catholics don't read the Bible and those that do, read it selectively. I don't read it at all, unless Aquarius brings up something of interest, which she oftentimes does. We hear about the ten commandments via the gospel of Matthew and the letters of Paul to the Romans. Each dude doesn't really do all ten, but they get close to it....and in so doing state what has become known as "the golden rule" which in verbiage is not a commandment, in the Ex-Men Ron Jerremy sense of the Bible.

     I notice that you (J0X2) refer to God as male. How do you know that? To us, god is god. As the Muslims  say "God is God!" Some female oriented modalities  would have us believe that one or more supreme being(s) are female. That is okie-dokie by me.

But God is still God and God cannot be personified and cannot be known by us. What God does is accompany and guide us on our journey to become one with the energy that forms the fountain of creation, so that we might be one with  each other and all that has existed, exists now, and will exist.

Peace and Love to all, especially those that need it,

Martin Vincent, Luckylee, Poppyhead

Hey All,

In John 10:34 Jesus is indicated as saying Ye are god's... So there is the science of proof of spiritualism, and the religion of proof that we are all god's, or to some day be one.

But hey we can all go back and forth with reasons and what others have said, or come to the conclusion of what we believe is a mixture of life experiences and a knowing of past events, and future events and the connectedness to the reality surrounding us

Love and Light

We are tethered 91 million miles away from our burning sphere traveling through the vacuum of space at 67,000 mph 620 Million years ago, the length of the day was 22 hours and there were 400 days per year, and as the moon escapes at the current rate of 3 feet per hundred years. Days are projected to be 1 month long in 4 Billion years as the moon moderates our rotation in a wobbling orbit pulled by both the sun and the moon. the length of the lunar cycle is for a complete rotation
around us is 24 hours and 50 minutes as the tides. our tilt is about 23.4 degrees.

So the earth has a moon and the moon is like planetary (non synchronous) motor that drives our daily rotation or spin
If we loose our moon then the earth orbit would significantly increase the time it takes for us to make a full rotation around the sun and our tilt would cause us to either have a pole wobble where we float from north pole to equator being exposed to the sun or a loss of annual tilt. Experts are not sure of the consequences.

But life as we know it would DRASTICALLY change and the temperate climate conditions, would become minimal

Millions of years ago the moon would have been much closer and brighter to earth.

While looking at stars, the edge coming at you is blue and the edge leaving you or turning away is red, so if the moon were to take a trip away from us, the color would be red, as the bible indicates in revelations.

So why take life so seriously, as life as we know it was never intended to be here forever, and one thing we can do if find the humor and happiness in life.

Love and Light

The unfinished pyramid in Egypt was claimed by some to be linked to the birth of Jesus, as the bible indicates that Jesus was the cornerstone of man and the fulfillment of becoming spiritual.

The Three wise men or the Maji (same Greek word used for Sorcerer) who sought Jesus looked for the signs in the heavens, and if you look at the natal chart for when Jesus was born, there is a natal chart showing a cap stone at around the time Jesus was thought to be born.

Love and Light

Hi:

"My five cents worth (inflation) " - Leo's signoff

Believe it or not, I was ROTFLMAO, TFF, swtmn!

Can't explain why!

Marty, Lucky, Poppy

Hi Paul,

I have looked at multiple things relating to ancient civilizations.  My contusion is there is much more going on than we have been told.  Science, teachers, religion, and governments seem to be keeping things from us for our own good. 

Like if we consider the pyramids in Egypt that were to built in supposedly 20 years each,  we can not even do this today with our modern tools, knowledge and technique.

Love and Light