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Dear Foxfires
The above is a link to the Board rules ... I beleive some here do psychic reads; hopefully if so they will have seen your question and respond.
Nice postings
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| Ophiucus,
Thanks so much, I have just learned how to do reads for people and was wondering about doing short reads for others
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| All at UMS,
I want to practice doing Psychic reads on people, would there be any volunteers that are willing to allow me to do a read for them. So I wanted to get a few people who don't mind being a training instrument to help me along on my spiritual path!
I do not need a real name or a picture, the date of birth or your address... A nick name and permission to do a limited or short read and feedback on what seems true. If there is a large number of requests, I will need extra time to do the reads. If someone want a read then I will personal message them the read to keep it confidential, and agree to not discuss this information in public or others!
Thanks So Much in Advance
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     Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida | You probably have a pretty good read on me now but go for it you can call me Jake, my spiritual name. |
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| Dear Jake,
I try to be as disinterested as possible in deciding who people are. In believe in Fetus, we wake up each day and decide to have mischef or to help people... Anyway Thank You for allowing me the opportunity
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| I got the reads performed, they have been sent out! I will be looking to do some short reads in a few days... I need to practice more. So if anyone would like one please let me know, I will be happy to do one for them!!! Thank You for helping! |
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        Location: NE Ohio | We trade readings all the time between us all. It's appreciated and wanted. The only thing we won't accept is for someone to actually ask for money by giving such service, on this site. If you privately contact someone and they want to donate for a service, that is their choice.
I would LOVE a reading. I also give readings and LOVE to trade. YAY! ^_^
However, I prefer to do this over the phone or skype, as I get more intuitive by using audio.
I do believe it can be done here just as well, but personalities are often not shown with just words, unless personal communication is happening for some time. I have grown close to many people on this board and someday I may be lucky enough to personally meet them. Until then, I am thankful for words. Hoping that the personality comes through correctly.
I am finally back from vacation... ahhhhh, I needed that. I am now feeling better than ever. It's like my body retaliated due to lack of nature. I put myself in nature for one week and feel GREAT!
Going to spend more time outside now. Bring on the readings....
Anyone want me to elaborate on readings PM me. If you want me to give it a shot please PM your DOB and real name. That is all I need.... Perhaps a phone or skype conversation would be awesome too.
For anyone who has skype... add me. I am DocJilly as a username.
Love and HUGS, always.
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| Doc J, Thanks for a allowing me to do this, I will get a read for you. I did not mention payment as I am currently doing this as a labor of love. I will touch base with you on a reciprocal read later! I just need some practice for now!!! I need to do a few each week! Do you have a spoken or unspoken request? for the reading Love & Light!!! |
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        Location: NE Ohio | Sounds great to me... I like to hear about anything really... health, love, family, life... it's all good.
I am such a happy-go-lucky person.... someone just saying Hello, makes my day. 
I am going to have surgery and while I am not really concerned... there is always a chance of complications. So that may be of importance if something of that sort comes up.
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| Dear Doc J, Can I pray for your surgery? I should PM read to you by Thursday, probably sooner! Love and Light! |
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        Location: NE Ohio | I would appreciate that very much. I am not sure when it's going to take place.. maybe if you get a time frame, that would also help me out. Insurance is fighting me on it. Not sure if I have to wait till Jan, or can go sooner.
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| Doc J, I just sent healing white light... I felt it leaving me twice from 6th, 7th and 8th Chakra, I never felt quite so much energy flow through my 7th chakra... I will pray for you more, later on!!! Please update as how you are doing/// Love and Light! |
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     Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida | Hey Jill, Good to see you back on the board. Got my knee fixed, they put in a couple of new parts and it's good as new. Let me know when the surgery is scheduled. I'd like to let Zen know as I'm sure he'll want to be in touch with ~N~. I'll let Rose know as well, such good friends should know about these things.
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| Jill, Check your gmail account!!! Love and Light!!! |
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| Are there any other people who would like a short reading!!! Love & Light!!! |
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| I have 2 reads in the Que. I will private message when they are done!!! Love and Light! |
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        Location: NE Ohio | Hello Jake and FF,
So glad to hear the knee is all fixed up. Yay!
I did get my reading and was totally impressed. Very professional and right on key.
I swear you all know me better than half my own relatives.
Just goes to show ya, the spiritual realm is one smart place to be.
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| Jill, I still owe you a follow up, should be by Monday, then I will do the other 2 reads for the others. I am glad you were happy with the read, It is not me, it is the Spirit, I just try not to mess it up!!! Love and Light!!! |
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      Location: United Kingdom | Thanks muchly Foxfires, I too was wonderfully moved by my read, and the follow up
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        Location: NE Ohio | Hey there PJ, so good to see you pop in there.
Don't ya just love getting a reading? Even if it just confirms what you already know, but helps remind us to see things a little more clearly with more positive outcome. What a breath of fresh air.
Spiritual confirmation is grand.
Oh yeah, I too, fear that I won't decipher the message correctly, but somehow.... it all works out. Being the translator is very important, but somehow, it also feels like there is help with being that too.... Sometimes I just open my mouth... words come out and I have no sense, or don't know what it means... next thing you know the intended person has a huge smile and teary eyes. That is when one knows for sure.... it came from a higher place. Confirmation to both, of intelligence beyond this realm. LOVE IT!
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     Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida | Hello All, I haven't had a reading for many years and was quite impressed by FF's reading. Yes spiritual confirmation is grand. |
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| I'm not sure how I stumbled upon this site but feel blessed to have been led here. If you are still doing reads I would be happy to have you do one for me.
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| Tash, I am still doing reads, Do you have a spoken or unspoken question. I try to start reads in a que... so I don't usually do them instantly, as this is a labor of love. I planned a 3 reads sometime after Monday morning. I try to take Sunday for a day of self reflection on personal improvement. Love and Light!!! |
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      Location: United Kingdom | Hello and welcome Tash
wow, personal improvement ... I could certainly do with some of that !!!
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| Gina, Check your Private Message for your read. Feedback does help with the learning process! Tash, I have you and another in the Que for a read, I will should have this done by end of week! Love and Light!!! |
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| I just finished another read, Tash you are up next/// Please provide feedback on the read so I can learn to help others better. Any feedback is helpful even if I was hot or cold is fine!!! Love and Light! |
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| Hi Tash, I should have the read for you by Friday night. It is good to see you back on line at UMS Love and Light. |
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| Hi Tash, Check your Private Mail for your read! Any feedback is appreciated, as it helps me help others understand the flavor of the emotions I sense during the read! I am Also looking for Volunteers for reads next week. I try to get reads in the Que and do them by the end of the next week. But it should be someone who has not been read in the last 3 months or so. Thanks in Advance for Your Help!!! |
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| I have taken care of the feedback for all Open requests. Let me know if there are any questions. Please know I do not claim to be right about what I saying, it is what I feel, and this is subject to interpretation. My goal is to help people with problems, and I am not a professional, just a caring person also trying to heal too. Love and Light!!! |
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| Tash, Check your private message in-box Love and Light! |
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| I am finished with my reads for the week, does anyone want a read for next week, I am still working up to the ability to read without cards and distance healing. Thanks in Advance!!! |
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      Location: United Kingdom | WHOA - please, call me unsophisticated yet postings have interspersed themselves without interpolation, but has anyone in this dialogue asked the cited party's permission for any of any citations to be referred to herein?
How can any-thing of any-thing, let it be White Light, Love, or anything else, be called upon outwith the request or permission or request of the person for whom calling is invoked?
Though I only came here now to post this from Leonard Cohen, that I copied here before, just doing it again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmON_0bzUZc
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| Reviewed this thread again and reinstated back to site, thanks for PM to me Foxfires; seems that prayers and healing intent all in good faith, though just note too recognition of need for respect for privacy/confidentiality if we are mentioning others not on line by name. |
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        Location: NE Ohio | That is because you did nothing wrong. Your posting was approved... but it has since been thought about and decided that perhaps we should have had it go in the student section. Not really a big deal... at all. It was several mods together than made the changes to benefit students.
Thank you so much for understanding.
It's all good.... keep doing what you are doing... it's GREAT and you're awesome!
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        Location: NE Ohio | I am sure you will do GREAT.... Good luck. I found that working with the public is very hard, but... explaining it the way you did here will really help them accept that it's not magic, just inner guidance and you my friend are very good at it.
Keep us posted on how you do.... Most of all, have fun and enjoy it. HUGS
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| Hey There Somewhere along the line and in some of my channeled material I got that the best stories in the next lifetime after we are evolved from living in the material world get first choice on off world assignments! Somehow there will be a great party where we talk of life on earth with the creator force, and prises go the one who can make a full Deity laugh about your story without complaining! Keep in mind this does not have to be true, just the way I need to proceed as if it is true!!! So my cover story for going to AA meetings was, to learn to practice palm reading there!!! XOXO |
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        Location: NE Ohio | I like that, telling a story to a deity with-out complaining, but making them laugh... You know, i don't think that would be unrealistic at all. I can see it being real. Either way, it would be nice.
I am terrible at palm readings.... never did have much interest in it enough to learn it well. However, with all divinity, I do believe the hands tell so much...
I have wanted to read tea leaves... but seemed also so complicated. I like simple.
My best reads always came from Tarot, Runes, or just thoughts. For some reason I can give ghostly names of a place that is haunted, IF I am going to be there in the future, or have been there in the past. For some reason I must have a direct connection to the energy to get the names accurately. Or, I simply just don't connect if I won't step foot on the property in my lifetime (or past, future lives).
I can connect well on the phone too, but it's not as strong as being in the same space. I guess my quantum jumping has been placed on the back burner. Been so busy.... it's exhausting.
I did recently order a DVD on direct connecting to guides. I do feel directly connected, but as of lately, feel I have been distant and I don't like that feeling. Perhaps my guides are busy, or I am not paying attention. Seems I have always been a special case. Wonder if they get bonus points for having to deal with me? HA HA
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| Can we have this thread moved back to the Non Student Area please? There has been over a year of inactivity here!!! XOXO
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| Hey all, does anyone want a read? I just ask for feedback and how they felt about the read! I do not need to know specific questions, so an unspecified question is ok, just let me know if you have one during a read. If a read is asked for, I will private mail the read to the person after the read is done. I get to the reads as my schedule allows, so some get out sooner than others, but it is a first request in is the first read that I do All reads need to be for the person who is is asking, I do not read for people who do not ask for read themself XOXO
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| Fayrii, I have you down for a read, I should get it out this week!!! Love and Light |
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        Location: NE Ohio | You know i am always up for such... ha ha. Go for it. Thank you in advance... |
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| Jill, Are you asking for a read? XOXO |
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| Fayrii, Check your inbox for your read, Any feedback is appreciated, let me know if there are any questions Love and Light |
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        Location: NE Ohio | Hmmm, a question.... will a court case be won? Or will we be happy with the final decision? and anything else you may feel is good. Thanks~
In a chaotic place right now~ This too will pass.
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| Hello all,
I am so happy to find other seers who are in it for more than money.
If you are still practicing, I would be happy to receive a reading.
I like doing reading as well... but I am a bit weak right now. I may offer them a bit later on.
Thanks in advance!
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| DreamScapeArtist, I have you in the que for a read Love and Light |
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| Jill, Check your UMS inbox for your read Thanks!!! |
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        Location: NE Ohio | Thank you very much! I enjoyed your reading. Blessings~ Jill
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| DreamScapeArtist, Check you In box for your read, Let me know what you think of the read!!! Love and Light |
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| Hey all, I have all of the reads out Let me know if you have questions Love and Light |
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| Hey All, I have all of the reads out, check your In Box Let me know if you have questions, and feedback is helpful Love and Light |
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| Hi All, There is an energy involved with things, I do not charge for reads here, as they are a free will gift.... But there is positive flow of energy and the way we feel about those who give reads.... This process of doing free reads was never intended for people just to sign up and never post on the UMS website, or for them to just become a member to get a free read, and not provide feedback... As I also grow from this process of interaction Love and Light |
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      Location: United Kingdom | Childish replies might be good ones in the Kingdom of Heaven, no ?
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| Paul, How True Love and Light |
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| Ok Tonya, I have you in the que! Welcome to the UMS forum Love and Light |
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| Dear Tonya, I want to know if you post something on the UMS forum, or do some sort of interaction, as it would help me to feel where you are coming from, as too often people get a free read and just split, as reads do help, the purpose of spirituality is to look to within and to find we all have our own answers, and others here can help too, so will you please respond to another post or start a new post with a issue of some kind.... I see you commented on spirit guides, and getting to know their names or is it you are trying to understand how they work better, as they do not really have names, that is sort of a human idea that we need to know what to call them... So they usually provide a name to appease us, but it is not necessary for them to operate, or be understood, it is just something we need for our comprehension.... So the issue is we just contact our guardians and ask that only something with the highest good come forth for our understanding, and to be appreciative, not to worship them, but to be reverent and thankful, as all road lead to the truth once we decide we are going there. Love and Light |
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I definitely wasn't trying to get a read and leave. I have browsed the website and feel as though many of the topics are wayyy over my head. I click on a topic thinking it will be something I understand and when I get into it I'm thrown off by the discussion. I don't want you to feel as though I'm taking your gift for granted. Thanks for the information on spirit guides! |
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| Hi Tonya, Hey I will give you a reading I just wanted some experiences you have had with being psychic to come out for me to have a starting point, as this takes much less energy, but I do understand that too many get too deep too fast... So a start point helps me and I have that now... No Problem, I will still get you a read.... I do apolagize for the way our discussions do not seem to stay on track here, and we do get way off the beaten path... So please bear with us, as sometimes we get lost Love and Light |
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     Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida | Welcome to the UMS forum mizgator,
I understand your concern about the depth of discussions on the board. We are a diverse group of individuals who come from many different cultures and beliefs.The human race is approaching 7 billion souls. Amoung them are many varied and different beliefs. We here, for the most part believe that we can openly discuss all metaphysical/religious or personal beliefs.
If you have questions, please feel free to ask as there are those amoung us from all walks of life. The idea is to gain perspective from our discussions. That being said, you obviously are free to accept or to not accept the merit of any discussion.
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| Hello too from me Mizgator and many welcomes here
As for the Psychic Reads offering/thread, that is something that Foxfires has volunteered here for, but I think it might need to be said that is under FF's own volition, not something that is a UMS offering. As such, I think people taking part in FF's offering perhaps need to be aware that this section of the Board discussion is a completely open - and international forum - and therefore might need to be careful about disclosing information about themselves that is private or personal to them.
I also think that if Psychic Reads are offered in this way, any ground rules that FF might wish to stipulate might better be stated at the commencement of the thread, and continue to be underwritten throughout. I think this is all an extremely delicate area.
As for topics here being way over anyone's head, it shouldn't read that way at all. Everyone of us is all here to learn, and from each other too. Including from new members!
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| FoxFires - 10/8/2011 9:20 AM Hi All, There is an energy involved with things, I do not charge for reads here, as they are a free will gift.... But there is positive flow of energy and the way we feel about those who give reads.... This process of doing free reads was never intended for people just to sign up and never post on the UMS website, or for them to just become a member to get a free read, and not provide feedback... As I also grow from this process of interaction Love and Light I thought I had this covered this thoroughly??? What am I missing here? Namaste
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I was just roaming through the discussion board. I must admit I have not been here in quite a while. My intent is to learn more about the discussion board so that I can use this knowledge in my interactions with students. I am not sure if we have connected before. I am Kelly, office manager at the UMS Arcata office.
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| Foxfires - I was referring to a Board conversation that has subequently been deleted, for not dissimilar reasons.
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| Kelly I will deffer to: Psychic Skills Written by Christine Breese D.D., Ph.D. & Margaret Branch © 2005 University Of Metaphysical Sciences Divination Systems Written by Nicole Yalsovac Additional sections contributed by Sean Michael Smith and Christine Breese, D.D. Ph.D. ©2005 University Of Metaphysical Sciences Both of these Bachelors level course material doccuments do a much better job explaining this than I could ever do, so I recomend these to explain this. Thanks Soo Much |
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        Location: NE Ohio | Hello Kelly,
We may have spoken on the phone before. Not sure... but i love seeing ya here. (wink)
I will jump in and give my own words to what I think a psychic reading is:
Information given from the use of our senses, to help someone else, or ease their mind, or remind them of what they already knew or forgot.... perhaps help make one aware of their own intuition, senses, etc.
It can be done with any one or all the senses, as well as with forms of divination, or none at all. Most of these are done using one or more of the 5 clairs.... which i won't go into right now... because well.... i am exhausted at the moment. (Just got back from a visit to ER).
YEP, this little lady took a nice little spill last night while carrying heavy speakers and landed straight on my tail bone. Leaving me in so much pain today, that I had to go for an injection of anti-inflammatory med. (I cannot take the pill form).
It would have been nice to get a psychic hunch prior to attempting to carry not one, but TWO speakers. DIR! Perhaps that is when I should have used "common sense" which i call, "uncommon sense", since we rarely see it anymore in our general society. I certainly forgot about that one last night. HA HA HA
No permanent damage.... but now from being clumsy, i will have to tolerate some pain for about three to four weeks.
Well, cannot sit long... eek... lol.... Will break out the iPad on the couch or something. ha ha
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So, does that sound good? I would like a good solution that pleases everyone or the most we can.... HUGS
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| Thanks Marty - what you say was exactly why I posted.
As Supernatural indicates, there are pros, cons, wherefores and maybes in any Board postings ... let's reflect a little more ...
I was also concerned that the Discussion Board itself has rules and mores, that all who post here are implicitly bound by; to then create sub-niches of sub-rule subsets depending on a thread that one sets going, seems to me to have the potential for placing oneself in a split off position.
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| mruppert - 11/6/2011 5:50 PM Hello Ophiucus Moderatorius..... No slight or insult was ever meant to anyone involved. It is just that in my feeble and, perhaps, wrongheaded mind this type of solicitation should have remained in the student section so that only students could be involved. I look at all aspects of things...even those that may not occur or concern some at the moment. Since we are in the public area, there is a chance that a new person might construe what is done here as being somehow representative of UMS; the work product of a UMS student; the definitive insight of a graduate of UMS, and so on. UMS has no editorial view or control of the content. UMS has no idea of how the content is being used with regard to the purveyor and end recipient. I believe that fact, in and of itself, excludes it from the public area and relegates it to the student section....as it was originally claimed to be "practice" and would be very welcome to past, present and future students to compare, contrast and complement collective experience in that particular forum. Several times it has been pointed out that there is no charge for the service that is rendered. In my mind, it is still a solicitation to render a service, that requires an acceptance, and promises a result. What if the result is less than satisfactory to the acceptor? What impression does that leave a potential student or any other with an interest in UMS? Please let me restate that no ill will is aimed at anyone....regardless of whether responses to this thread were deemed inappropriate simply because the response declined an offered service....no one should feel "impelled" to accept just to be part of this discussion board. No one should be "compelled" to post to "prove" themselves. No one should have to justify the frequency of his or her posts to demonstrate interest, commitment, concern, or dedication to our community or our higher purpose. Peace and Rodney King to all, PsychoMarty, Luckylee, Poppyhead Thanks For Weighing in And Showing us the True Way, to Appear |
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If I was to log on to the Board, knowing nothing about UMS, and saw Psychic Reads, I might think, 'wow, is that something UMS is offering'? Hence, as I have thought since seeing the development of this thread, I too am concerned about it, was slightly relieved when it transferred to the student only section, then since its reappearance here, have kind of been tearing my hair out as to what it is doing here, and what it might evoke, and all manner of questions akin to what you so very well put.
I am not sure why Foxfires has now resorted to posting in purple, but I imagine we might be told.
My view is that a thread like this is not well placed in a 'discussion board' [sic], but if someone feels a calling to offer such things, then a web site of one's own could be could. As it is here, I feel very strongly that it is appearing under the mantle of the UMS, and is thus implicitly condoned by them.
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        Location: NE Ohio | hello, and Thanks for the healing words.... seems i am a tad bit sore, but doing well. Have to go to docs yet again, cause now i have a fever. Grrrrrr, just may be flu season. I will be just fine.... my humor side is coming back to me. LOL
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| Jill, I just finished my Reiki Masters Initiation and became a Reiki Master, let me know if you want me to send Love and Light your way, This is not a solicitation and is nothing to do with any UMS activities, more like prayer in a focused concentration Tonya, I have been instructed not to do psychic reads on the UMS forum any more, so I have to withdraw my offer, and say I am sorry I let you down and did not provide as I promised, there were circumstances that made this happen, that were beyond my control Love and Light |
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  Location: The Heart of Space | Hello again Oph..... I still assert the things I said in post 22527 as being worthy of consideration. Unfortunately, I must now state another reason. And, as a reminder, I tried to make it clear that my objections were not about a person or persons..my objections were about the nature of the post and how the post and its participants are being independently, and privately moderated by other than an official representative of UMS, up to and including the imposition of requirements concerning posting and posting frequency. My other reason will be expressed to you as a private message as I do not want to have anyone else affected by this any longer.
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| An atheist professor of a university challenged his students with this question. "Did God create everything that exists?" A student answered bravely, "Yes, he did". The professor then asked, "If God created everything, then he created evil. Since evil exists (as noticed by our own actions), so God is evil. The student couldn't respond to that statement causing the professor to conclude that he had "proved" that "belief in God" was a fairy tale, and therefore worthless. Another student raised his hand and asked the professor, "May I pose a question? " "Of course" answered the professor. The young student stood up and asked : "Professor does Cold exists?" The professor answered, "What kind of question is that? ...Of course the cold exists... haven't you ever been cold?" The young student answered, "In fact sir, Cold does not exist. According to the laws of Physics, what we consider cold, in fact is the absence of heat. Anything is able to be studied as long as it transmits energy (heat). Absolute Zero is the total absence of heat, but cold does not exist. What we have done is create a term to describe how we feel if we don't have body heat or we are not hot." "And, does Dark exist?", he continued. The professor answered "Of course". This time the student responded, "Again you're wrong, Sir. Darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in fact simply the absence of light. Light can be studied, darkness can not. Darkness cannot be broken down. A simple ray of light tears the darkness and illuminates the surface where the light beam finishes. Dark is a term that we humans have created to describe what happens when there's lack of light." Finally, the student asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?" The professor replied, "Of course it exists, as I mentioned at the beginning, we see violations, crimes and violence anywhere in the world, and those things are evil." The student responded, "Sir, Evil does not exist. Just as in the previous cases, Evil is a term which man has created to describe the result of the absence of God's presence in the hearts of man." After this, the professor bowed down his head, and didn't answer back. The young man's name was ALBERT EINSTEIN. http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/religion/a/einstein_god.htm |
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| Collected Quotes from Albert Einstein- "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
- "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
- "Gravitation is not responsible for people falling in love."
- "I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."
- "The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax."
- "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
- "The only real valuable thing is intuition."
- "A person starts to live when he can live outside himself."
- "I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."
- "God is subtle but he is not malicious."
- "Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character."
- "I never think of the future. It comes soon enough."
- "The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility."
- "Sometimes one pays most for the things one gets for nothing."
- "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new."
- "Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."
- "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
- "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
- "Science is a wonderful thing if one does not have to earn one's living at it."
- "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
- "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."
- "God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically."
- "The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking."
- "Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal."
- "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
- "The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible."
- "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
- "Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school."
- "The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing."
- "Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure you mine are still greater."
- "Equations are more important to me, because politics is for the present, but an equation is something for eternity."
- "If A is a success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut."
- "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
- "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
- "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."
- "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
- "In order to form an immaculate member of a flock of sheep one must, above all, be a sheep."
- "The fear of death is the most unjustified of all fears, for there's no risk of accident for someone who's dead."
- "Too many of us look upon Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans themselves."
- "Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!"
- "No, this trick won't work...How on earth are you ever going to explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as first love?"
- "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
- "Yes, we have to divide up our time like that, between our politics and our equations. But to me our equations are far more important, for politics are only a matter of present concern. A mathematical equation stands forever."
- "The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of thinking...the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker."
- "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
- "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
- "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeeded be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
- "The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."
- "Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
- "You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat."
- "One had to cram all this stuff into one's mind for the examinations, whether one liked it or not. This coercion had such a deterring effect on me that, after I had passed the final examination, I found the consideration of any scientific problems distasteful to me for an entire year."
- "...one of the strongest motives that lead men to art and science is escape from everyday life with its painful crudity and hopeless dreariness, from the fetters of one's own ever-shifting desires. A finely tempered nature longs to escape from the personal life into the world of objective perception and thought."
- "He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
- "A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
- "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." (Sign hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton)
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| Hi Foxfires
Not sure where the aspect of a discussion you may wish to have is in your voluminous copied and pasted extracts from Einstein; though the first of your extracts might indicate something of the tension in the duality/non-duality struggle.
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?When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity.
?The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once.
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| Ha - well then, though too - is there not an aspect of Metaphysics where everything is happening at once [and everywhere]? And Eternity is indeed in each passing nano-second - no?
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     Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida | Well now, because of our linear time, there is only the appearance of things happening sequentially.
Since we or I should say FF and I are quoting Einstein, he also stated that, "There is no logical way to the discovery of these elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance."
Although now it may appear that Einstein's General Theory may be proven, at least partially wrong. At the CERN lab near Geneva, says that a neutrino beam shot out of a particle accelerator took off at 60 nano seconds faster than the speed of light. Only recently has there been discovered hints of behaviors of certain elementary particles of matter that won't fit into Einsteins theory. Quantum physics strikes again.
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| Op, You are very wise, and yes there is always duality to life, as every thing has two sides or more! Thanks |
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| Yes Op, Nano second AKA 10 to the minus ninth power for the time of a second! And very quick too LOL Yes! Thanks |
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| Leo, Yeah and puts new meaning to flame broiled whopper, Owie LOL Love and Light |
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| Paul, Yeah, but we hopefully are not delivering these any more with or with gift wrapping and the light show Namaste |
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| Dear Leo, Please remember that Einstein's slide ruler got us what needed to be done at the time, if no uncharted territory was left after Einstein, why bother to enter a field where every problem has been solved... So there are particles and behaviors that will always have irregularities, with difficult to project behaviors.... In other words, we have to welcome the unforeseen, and previously undocumented features... We used to test computer systems, and we were never allowed to tell the programmers that the program was broken,,, It was sort of we are just there to test the software and hardware compatability... When things went wrong, it was a previously undocumented feature, for the system, and it had not been accounted for yet... Yeah LOL.... So Einsteins theory may be superseded again, but Einstein never claimed to be right about everything, as if we look at a test, just the sampling or watching the test can alter the outcome.... Love and Light |
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I totally agree. A book I've read by Tom Campbell wherein he states that Einstein got right up to the door but never got it opened. The door is being opened and without Einstein, the door may not have been found. His work was critical to where we are now. I'm certainly not taking anything away from Albert.
Currently Dean Radin Ph.D. (IONS chief scientist) is doing a double slit experiment on the internet. Using IONS staff members to initally start. The idea is to see if conscious intent can skew the tests results for each individual. I'm certain theres more to it but using the internet is really cool.
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Deep Breath....
If we figure it all out, there is no reason to continue here on Earth.
We are meant to have issues to deal with..... that is what human life is about.
I know... it sucks sometimes.... but... with out that experience, we cannot grow spiritually.
I hope this makes sense... sometimes it makes me frustrated, but i have to sit back and laugh and say... REALLY? THANKS a whole lot. and then focus on the positive aspects of what life is about. Make it what you want. Focus on the good.... don't let the bad be about you.
Hardest thing to do, but must be done. Blessings, always~
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| Dear Jill, I will ponder and reflect before I comment here Love and Light |
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I remember someone saying something to the effect that we are here in a physical reality learning lab. That each life experience here on earth is usually for some experience(s) that we need to learn from. That of course is the simple answer, some of us are just here to experience the experience, not for anything in particular. Others are here to learn from past experiences and to learn from that. Of course each of us has a goal to help out in some way. Wheather that be a single positive thing or many. If we don't manage to get it right this time, there's always the next time. We of course create our own reality.
I remember who said that now, it was me. I've learned this through a very highly placed nonphysical spiritual entity.
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| Dear Leo, Please note, that Jill held her breath for the statement, and did not show an exhale. So as an observer is she telling us something to learn, or is she attempting to seek help, regardless this indicates a Hard Pause and a sense of reflection if felt by me, for this to sink in before a response... Remember the old school way of telling people what to do is being phased out, and we are supposed to now look within, after we decide to set aside personal feelings from the decision process toward spiritual advancement. In other words, I am looking inside for my answers from my higher self at this point, and that is new school teaching. And someone who shows no emotions has expressed nothing for others to help them with... But the emotions need to be felt prior to action... This is what the essence of a psychic read is, we feel the emotions that seem to need addressing, and only the ones we feel can help improve something, sort of a prelude to do no intentional harm / ignore or respond in like kind. Love and Light |
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Jill stated; "We are meant to have issues to deal with..... that is what human life is about."
"I know... it sucks sometimes.... but... with out that experience, we cannot grow spiritually."
My response was a confirmation on what was stated. Jill, I believe, was alluding to the simple fact that we are here to experience various aspects of life. My nonphysical mentor made this very clear to me. I believe from my extensive research into reincarnation that this has been verified. My understanding of this has set me free of the fear of dying. So the ability for Love has increased significantly. As you know the oppisite of love is not hate but fear. The need to pause was not necessary for me as the meaning resonated with me immediately.
So, as you can now (hopefully) see, my comment was one of agreement and certainly not telling anyone what to do or not to do. I quit teaching a few years ago.
As far as psychic reads are concerned, not my area and I'm really not interested. One way or the other. My spirit guide is all I require for guidance.
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I always tell my bride and groom, about to be married to take a deep breath.... helps calm them.
I remind us all to take a deep breath, for deep breathing is a start of meditation, helps clear the mind and I wanted to get a point across with clear thinking.
I do not feel we are here for karmic reasons. Unless we WANT to be here for karmic reason. Some do actually choose that. I did not in this life. I do believe some of us, or maybe most of us can be here, just to remember who we really are, and create.
No real complication to it.....
I find I have to take deep breaths all the time.... calm the center.
I love all the input... I also agree with what everyone is saying.... I just think it's simpler that we make it.
I have to leave for a doc appointment.... wonder what they will prescribe now... (rolls eyes)
Another deep breath.... ha ha
HUGS
Reminder: This is how I feel, does not matter if someone else feels differently. We will all come from a million different walks of life, with a million different views. A million correct views... it's all about what is right for each of us to walk our own path, hopefully holding someone's hand (spiritually or physically or both).
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| Dear Leo, There is something I have found to called spiritual upgrades. Spiritual Upgrades come from realizing a truth about a matter... Truth does not always need to be facts, that are calculated, quotable and proveable... Sometimes it is just how we feel about something. But the point is we learn best at some points by being told what we want to know. Other times I feel I need to not say things to some people, because they are not ready to hear the things I see... So I sort of feel my advice should be viewed by non hostile people in two ways 1 Helpful, 2 Unhelpful... As far as people who are hostile, meaning intent on harboring negative emotions toward self or others as long as they can. But the truth of help is does a belief help you and the people you know, if so it is taken in and appraised, if people are hostile, there usually seems to be a path of censorship they want to apply to what I share.... So if someone tries with every breath to change me, it is more along the lines or perceived as control... And if possible I go left when they say turn right... So back to spiritual upgrades, feeling negative emotions about something is always necessary prior to releasing them, hint, hint, I have to notice these feelings before I can address them... And some people need to self realize a personal problem prior to dealing with it... Me helping a person see their faults internally is good or ok to do. But the best upgrade I can do sometimes is to stand back and let others realize the truth from within and self realize the change needed... If In help a person that I clearly see refuses to look inside,,, The term I use for this is called stealing someones upgrade or change energy. This entire word set of this expression is a feeling that I carry and not head knowledge, as there is no real wrong and right approach, just those with emotional intention, and those with factual expressions. So it does not matter how I think about a problem, unless I feel I can help with a solution, or attempt to share uncensored by people having authority or those who mandate that authority act on their behalf... So truth is what we all desire it to be for our reality, and we manifest what we feel we need the most, until we internally decide that we need to find a deeper truth. Personally getting over our own speed bumps. is the grates power we can draw from our higher self, so sometimes a person getting a read or getting one too often is detrimental to the person we are trying to help. as if we show them something they are unwilling to face, they tend to want to run the opposite direction of whatever you share... After doing some reads, this is what I have learned from the process. So yes there need to be an acceptance process of what is shared from the aspect of was it useful or not. And people who do not take a bit of time to look inside prior to a read, might need to look within or around for a bit to get the change energy stirred up. So if reads are to be done by anyone, there has to be boundaries With The People Involved In The Reads, as everything has karmic implications in some direction Love and Light |
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I hear what you are saying. I'm sure there are folks out there that can use a spiritual tune-up from time to time. I have actually helped one of our own here on the forum. Of course with the help of my guide Anna. Sort of channeled a message as sometimes the things I write are not always my words.
I hope that in some way you are not infering that I hold any repressed anger and/or hostility towards anyone. As that would not be the case, I've learned that to forgive is to be set free. That is not to say that I haven't at points in my life felt anger towards others, I am human after all. I'm totally free of that sort of thing at this point in my life. To repress anger is to repress one's spirituality.
If you can help others with their spirituality, then bless you. The idea here is to have a Universal Unconditional LOVE for every being regardless of what they may or may not do. To error is human, to forgive Devine.
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