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Danjummai
Posted 10/2/2008 3:34 PM (#10670 - in reply to #10314)
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"Found this link, researching the road the King of Erin goes. Thought others might find it of interest x

http://sacred-texts.com/index.htm

By Paul Joseph."

Sure did Paul,

Only that sacred stuff according to my mind saying is like walking into a museum and watching dead things whose reality lives elsewhere…

 

“Those are Artifacts dummy!”… So sorry, forgot again.

Bless you anyways Paul, don’t Mind me.'

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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/2/2008 4:08 PM (#10677 - in reply to #10670)
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Danjuammai - quite so; this really needs a long night time conversation in the long night of winter .... but I agree, in part, and indeed, would say that the only sanctity is the sanctity of the present moment; yet the past is a gift to us, as are the dreams of the present and the potentials of the future. We take what we can and what we want. We ignore at our peril.

But I value very highly your responses, thank you.

See you at the Gates of Dawn
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mruppert
Posted 10/2/2008 8:19 PM (#10688 - in reply to #10620)
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Hello Louise...thank you; that was very kind of you to do for me, in more ways than you know! 


Sincerely,
Marty and Cats
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Louise
Posted 10/2/2008 8:58 PM (#10691 - in reply to #10688)
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you are most very welcome Marty!
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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/3/2008 3:55 AM (#10699 - in reply to #10691)
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Moved this over here from wherever it was before, as it is a sacred text ... thanks for Psalm 23 Tracy ... how could I have forgoten that one ... well it was late last night and I have a cold .. that's my excuse ... Ha ha .. and here is the other one I was thinking of, Psalm 91, which is the one said at Jewish funerals. i find it very powerful. Love & Blessings All:

The Holy Bible: King James Version. 2000.
The Psalms
91 [adapted slightly by me to render it gender neutral !]

Abiding in the Shadow of the Almighty

1 You that dwelleth in the shelter of the Most High
who abide under the shadow of the Almighty.


2 will say to the LORD,
' my refuge and my fortress:
my God; in whom I trust.


3 The Lord shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler,
and from the noisome pestilence.


4 Shall cover thee with feathers,
and under those wings shalt thou trust:
Truth shall be thy shield and buckler.


5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night;
nor for the arrow that flieth by day;


6 nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness;
nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.


7 A thousand shall fall at thy side,
and ten thousand at thy right hand;
but it shall not come nigh thee.


8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold
and see the reward of the wicked.


9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge,
even the Most High, thy habitation;


10 there shall no evil befall thee,
neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.


11 For the Lord shall provide angels for charge over thee,
to keep thee in all thy ways.


12 They shall bear thee up in their hands,
lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.


13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder:
the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.


14 Those who love me, I will deliver;
I will protect those who know my name

15 When they call upon me, I will answer them:
I will be with them in trouble;
I will deliver them, and honor them.


16 With long life will I satisfy them,
and show them my salvation





http://www.bartleby.com/108/19/91.html




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Danjummai
Posted 10/3/2008 3:53 PM (#10754 - in reply to #10314)
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Bless you the more Paul. The last chapter of the holy book of the Muslims, The Glorious Qur'an (114) has this to say:

“Say I seek refuge from the Lord of Humanity;

The Possessor of Mankind; the Lord of Mankind;

From the Evil of the Whisperer;

That which spreads mischief (in the chest of) mankind;

(Whisperers) from among Jinns and Mankind.”

Apologies for the off-head translation. It is meant for exactitude and not to interpret, for who is man/woman, however close, to interpret God?



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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/3/2008 4:08 PM (#10755 - in reply to #10754)
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Well then dear Danjummai -

the blessings of a holy man are to be more esteemed than gold

and who cares about translation ?

The heart has its (our) own Voice

Blessings, Friend, if I may call you that x
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Danjummai
Posted 10/5/2008 4:40 PM (#10831 - in reply to #10314)
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"Blessings, Friend, if I may call you that x"

Friend + Enemy = ?

Friend - Enemy = ?

Friend + Friend = ?

Love Eternal!

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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/6/2008 3:57 AM (#10833 - in reply to #10831)
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The Golden Verses of Pythagoras ?
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Danjummai
Posted 10/6/2008 4:20 PM (#10845 - in reply to #10314)
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"The Golden Verses of Pythagoras ?"

Don't know...

May be 1, 000 years beyond...

Have no head 4 maths...

Love Eternal!



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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/6/2008 4:35 PM (#10848 - in reply to #10845)
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Neither do I; you seemed to be into equations , so I made a link to what is more natural to me:

Every Thursday night when I was at grammar school (secondary) I would be in tears because we had a bully of a maths teacher who seemed to be trying to teach us geometry and trigonometry, in preparation for our lesson last thing Friday afternoon: instead, he just was trying to impose his superiority on our absence of knowledge.

Years later, I discovered that maths is equal = spirituality and I wondered back, if he had taught in that way, instead of with the stick, the threat and abrasiveness, I might have better understood.

Pythagoras was a mystic: the Golden Verses are his dreams

Blessings, Boyo !

& Goodnight from the Uk ...



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NothingEverything
Posted 10/7/2008 11:30 AM (#10863 - in reply to #10314)
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Granting that you and I argue. If you beat me, and not I you, are you necessarily right and I wrong? Or if I beat you and not you me, am I necessarily right and you wrong? Or are we both partly right and partly wrong? Or are we both wholly right or wholly wrong? You and I cannot know this, and consequently the world will be in ignorance of the truth.
Who shall I employ as arbiter between us? If I employ some one who takes your view, he will side with you. How can such a one arbitrate between us? If I employ some one who takes my view, he will side with me. How can such a one arbitrate between us? And if I employ some one who either differs from or agrees with both of us, he will be equally unable to decide between us. Since then you, and I, and man, cannot decide, must we not depend upon Another? Such dependence is as though it were not dependence. We are embraced in the obliterating unity of Tao.
- Chuang Tzu

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Danjummai
Posted 10/7/2008 3:41 PM (#10865 - in reply to #10314)
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"Pythagoras was a mystic: the Golden Verses are his dreams Blessings, Boyo ! & Goodnight from the Uk ..."

It is ineresting to know that P was a M and that his Vs are his Ds. This according to my mind saying is: 16 = 13 and 22+19 = 4+19. Don't mind me Fathero. My mind always churns out this kind of weired mystical stuff and I am no mystic... could be from my fancy for numbers without being a mathematician...got tired of being anything but me which I (9) am yet to pathom? So what does this mean? Simple: Nothing, O = 15! Everything is said to have been numbered. Don't know how true. You seem to know better.

Good night from UK-of-the-mind Paul. It's raining here in Nigeria even as it is October, the Tenth Month of the year. Climate change...

Peace!

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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/7/2008 3:50 PM (#10866 - in reply to #10865)
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NE- that was magical

D - so is that (I address you as you are online) ... but I am wounded by your 'you seem to know better' .... do I come across as feigning superiority ? Then please accept my apologies and regrets, as that is only a feint ....

[There are those 21 guests again .. who on earth, or elsewhere are you ? ... Please do make yourselves known for future friendships ! ]

Ah - back to my friend Danjummai .... numbers is, or are, Louise's thing. I believe myself merely to be a vehicle - even perchance a water-bearer. Sorry if I come across as claiming something other

'boyo' is a friendly Celtic greeting, one friend to another

If you check back through my other posts you may see that I would emphasize my lack of knowledge. Its absence. Nothing-ness.




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Paul Joseph
Posted 11/1/2008 12:58 PM (#11926 - in reply to #10314)
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Vance - here is an interesting thread on texts, of one or another !
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instinctual
Posted 11/1/2008 1:35 PM (#11930 - in reply to #10314)
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Tossing this out there...

What ( or who ) declares a text as sacred? Does the annointing of a text as sacred stem strictly from a historical point of view?

Thoughts?

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Paul Joseph
Posted 11/1/2008 1:51 PM (#11932 - in reply to #10314)
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ouch Lori, Holy Beginnings ... since I started this thread, should I know ? It started 'cos I was taken with the John Buchan novel The Path of the King, which, when explored, leads one to the fact that JB (Buchan not Bond) was fascinated by the story of the The Road the King of Erin goes - which became my location for a time .... so I Googled, and got the Sacred Threads (doh! not threads, Texts!) site ... I don;t have my etymological dictionary to hand, so would need to research 'sacred' , but the answer to your question is, I suspect, what 'posterity' deems to be sacred, becomes sacred, though much of posterity handed to us, relies on religious 'hand-me-downs', rather than ;direct experience', since direct experience seems to need to be mediated or 'triangulated' by 'authorities', else it is 'mere' 'wild' speculation ... but that's just a very quick, off the cuff response ... i think your great question deserves further research ....
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instinctual
Posted 11/1/2008 1:59 PM (#11937 - in reply to #10314)
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Oh no, ouchies!

Thanks as always Paulo for your knowledge and introspection. That is just one of the questions that were always tossing around in my skull...and I thought this was a good place to toss it out for public musings

I feel inspired to go to the library. Sadly, although Tucson has probably 20 branches of their public libraries, there is nothing substantial about them...I wonder if the U of A down the road allows for public access?

Why am I asking so many questions today? ahaha!

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Paul Joseph
Posted 11/1/2008 2:02 PM (#11940 - in reply to #11937)
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Just another quick off the cuff, before I go the books -

Sacred - sacral - sac (?)

Sacre Couer (sacred heart) ... sacrosanct ... that which is Holy
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instinctual
Posted 11/1/2008 5:32 PM (#11948 - in reply to #10314)
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This is fun because it again causes one to take out their wordsmith tools!

According to Online Etymology Dictionary:

"Sacred"-c.1300, from pp. of obs. verb sacren "to make holy" (c.1225), from O.Fr. sacrer (12c.), from L. sacrare "to make sacred, consecrate," from sacer (gen. sacri) "sacred, dedicated, holy, accursed," from O.L. saceres, which Tucker connects to base *saq- "bind, restrict, enclose, protect," explaining that "words for both 'oath' & 'curse' are regularly words of 'binding.' " But Buck merely groups it with Oscan sakrim, Umbrian sacra and calls it "a distinctive Italic group, without any clear outside connections." Nasalized form is sancire "make sacred, confirm, ratify, ordain." Sacred cow "object of Hindu veneration," is from 1891; fig. sense is first recorded 1910, from Western views of Hinduism.

So, I suppose my point is, or maybe I should have reworded it - Who is qualified to deem something sacred? I think maybe I answered my own question, and the answer would be..we are all qualified.

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Vance
Posted 11/1/2008 6:18 PM (#11949 - in reply to #11926)
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Thank for the gracious invitation to add to the thread, Paul.

There is an old "sacred text" called, "The Emerald Tablets of Thoth". It is an interesting read.

http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald.html

Man is in process of changing
to forms that are not of this world.
Grows he is time to the formless,
a plane on the cycle above.
Know ye, ye must become formless before ye are with the LIGHT

Know, O man, that Light is thine heritage.
Know that darkness is only a veil.
Sealed in thine heart is brightness eternal,
waiting the moment of freedom to conquer,
waiting to rend the veil of the night.


side note: interesting imagery but the idealist in me believes that the "formless" and Light are within the form and not without it -- Balanced Interpenetration.

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Vance
Posted 11/1/2008 6:38 PM (#11950 - in reply to #11930)
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Tossing this out there...

What ( or who ) declares a text as sacred? Does the annointing of a text as sacred stem strictly from a historical point of view?

Thoughts?

X
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Any idea that attempts to communicate the experience of the Divine is sacred, right?

Who says what is "officially sacred"? Wow . . . that can be open to debate. Paul definitely hit the socio-political forces. There is always a grouping of thinkers that puts their "mark of approval" on something. But I will always say that what is sacred is what moves you to an state of inspiration and intuiting the vision for yourself.
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Paul Joseph
Posted 11/2/2008 4:54 AM (#11960 - in reply to #11950)
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Fascinating images here alright .... takes me back also to the sacred 'non-text' of

The Flower Sermon (previously referenced by NE & me, location in the vaults somewhere!)

Thinking too that Jesus and I think also, Buddha, did not themselves write anything down

Goes too perhaps to what was said before about, when the pupil is ready, the teacher appears



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Posted 11/2/2008 9:08 AM (#11967 - in reply to #10314)
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Hello all...

Yes indeedy Paulo addressed those aspects, I agree.

I especially feel agreeable to the thought that sacred anything can be handed down from generations. I have a Hungarian family cookbook that was published, written by my mother's family - that is sacred! May not be sacred on any large scale historical level, but it is sacred to me!

Yes Vance-O, I think this can be open for debate, and that is why I posed the question

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Louise
Posted 11/2/2008 3:20 PM (#11971 - in reply to #10314)
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My thoughts backed up with no evidence whatsoever

if
sacred = holy
then
holy = the intent to heal
a holy relationship being two persons joined in this intent
a holy document being the writings with an intent to heal
healing being the return to our true source

??...?
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