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Hello. It's me again. I keep seeing more and more of these online "degree" programs and now I've become scared. I know it's a complete contradiction of my posts prior to this, but I just need some kind of tangible proof. I am going to be honest here because I feel that is the right thing to do........I'm basically very poor and if I invest in this I want proof. A couple of years ago I found this ad in the newspaper about mailing brochures for a company. You made thousands of dollars just stuffing envelopes all day!! I sent my 40 dollars with a smile and a hope and I'm still waiting on my package. I called....left infinite messages and ever tried to look them up. There wasn't such an address listed. Or at least no such business.
I couldn't believed how foolish I was.
That is why I'm skiddish about this one. So fill me in guys. Are you legitimate?
Won't society look down on me if I obtain a "Doctorate" Degree in a matter of a couple years? Where can I find former students and where they're practicing right now? Any authors who "attended"? So many questions!!
|Hi Chris, |
Please check out my response to you on your original post, at metaphysical topics, entitled everything has a polarity...Bless, Devon Love
|Hello Chris Sheridan, |
Sorry it took a few days to get to answering your post, we were on Thanksgiving vacation break, so no one was monitoring the board, and I did check in one day to make sure everything was working but did not post anything or read anything, I just checked to make sure all was operational, as I do every few days. I don't have time to read everything everyone posts. If you would like more immediate responses to your questions, please email us at firstname.lastname@example.org or ask questions through our contact page at http://umsonline.org/OnlineForms/contact.htm. We answer emails and contacts on a daily basis, whereas on our discussion board we only visit here and there as we have time. The discussion board is provided as a service to our students so they can meet each other and to the public for discussion about metaphysical subjects. As to questions about administrative processes of the school, more immediate answers can be found through contacting us directly.
Anyway, yes, your concerns are legitimate and understandable. There are diploma mills out there, and UMS was created in order to bring professionalism to the field of metaphysics for exactly that purpose. The first thing to know about a school is that it should be registered with the proper agencies, for instance the Department of Education in whatever state it is saying that it operates in. You can check our listing at the CA dept of Postsecondary Education by visiting the religious exempt dept at https://app.dca.ca.gov/bppve/school-search/default.htm and type in the name of our school, University Of Metaphysical Sciences, in the third window down where it asks for the name of the school you would like to check on. UMS will come up in the directory. You can also view our listing at https://app.dca.ca.gov/bppve/school-search/view-voc-names.asp?schlna...
The Wyoming Dept of Education is not as organized as CA, and you can simply call the dept of education and speak with Fred Hansen and he will verify that UMS has "permission to operate" in Wyoming, but does not have a "registration" process for religious schools. As long as the school is operated by a legitimate 501(c)3 church, which UMS is, then the school has permission to operate in the state.
The next thing to know if a school is legitimate is that it is operated by a federally recognized church, and UMS is run by the Universal Church Of Metaphysics 501(c)3. The IRS is who churches are registered with.
Your question about whether a Doctorate Degree is recognizable by society, in metaphysical circles a doctorate degree is recognized, but if you are trying to work in a secular field it is not. You must remember that you are catering to a particular audience, not the secular market. (Secular means non-religious). If you feel that you want to be a traditional psychologist then you must attain a secular degree from a traditional school and go for 7 or 8 years. If you want to work in the field of metaphysics and counsel within the "religion" of metaphysics, then your degree at UMS is recognized and it is fine. It does not take as long to earn a degree in metaphysics as it does to become a medical doctor, and this is why UMS does not ask you to attend for 8 years.
As far as your other questions, please contact our office through phone, email or our contact page and we will be happy to help you. We cannot, however, give you the names and contact information of our students or graduates because we have a confidentiality agreement with all students to preserve their personal information. I suggest that you ask some more questions here and see who answers them and connect with UMS students on the forum.
|Hey Chris, |
I saw your post and wanted to let you know I had similar concerns. I recently left an accredited degree program at Lesley University to join this school. I ran into some issues and politics with the secular school and it also costs a lot of money and I would have been in a high debt when graduating.
I meditated a long time on this school and feel strongly that this is a great, legitimate, program. Unfortunatly, some people out in the world may give a bad name to the study of Metaphysical Sciences, as in any group of people. I feel our world is changing and when we follow this path we engage in a new way of learning and a whole new paradigm can open up.
This school has been so professional and I just wanted to share my experience with you. I know you have to make your own decision in the long run. I wanted to tell you that when I shared my concerns with a close friend, who has an MA from a secular school, she shared with me that it doesn't matter where the degree comes from or what your GPA is out in the real world. If it is in your heart, your studies will pay off and you will help a lot of people. I think it is about the individual going to school and making the degree work for them. This is a program where students can achieve just that.
I hope this helps. I just felt like telling you I understand your concerns and had the same myself, but ever since deciding to do this it has been great, professional, and I know this is a good school with caring, hardworking people.
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|Hello all! |
Please allow me to introduce myself before I respond.
I have a "secular" er....ah...."religious?" degree from The Catholic Univeristy of America in Washington, DC and I am a member of Mensa. I now am associated with (and employed by) a University in Maryland that offers "online" degrees. Whenever there is any doubt, remember that Google has become a powerful tool.
I have no doubt or question as to what UMS is offering. I am very interested in this course of study as it offers to me a chance to structure the course of study that I could not do on my own. I have looked at the sample courses and listened to the sample meditations. The research put into the sample courses is quite extensive. If one delves deep into the subject matter, via the bibliography, one would take away a profound understanding. I also say that the courses tackle subjects that one will not find in any traditional academic curriculum. This is a very attractive proposition. When was the last time that a "secular" university issued a degree in Parapsychology? But, it was done, at one time!
Of course I have my own bias or agenda in my life. I am a student of the holographic nature of the universe, simply because it reconciles the traditional physics, quantum mechanics and string theory. At the same time, it answers the shortcomings of the big-bang theory. But, it does so much more, as it allows for parapsychological phenomena with a new framework for "proof" (which hard science requires).
Yes, I would like to write a book, too. But, do I have anything of significance to say? There are literally thousands of books on many of the subjects studied at UMS. What is to be believed and what is to be rejected as pure commercialism?
Here, we are dealing with things which are not only universal, but very internal, not only to our body and being, but to our mind. The question is "are they not the very same thing?"
I hope that all find the answer!
If I do enroll, I will take away as much as I put into it. That can be as little as a simple piece of paper, or as much as the knowledge of the universe has to be discovered!
Yours in peace,
|Good morning! |
I am in agreement with Marty, specifically concerning that "you'll get out of it what you put into it."
I went to a traditional, private prep school, and have a bachelor's degree from Duke University. Like Marty, I'm also a Mensan (well, former Mensan, since I let my membership lapse). I'm used to studying established curricula within competitive programs at widely recognized schools, so I was naturally skeptical of any online or distance-learning program.
The New Seminary (newseminary.org) is really what changed my mind. I was a corresponding student in their interfaith ministry program 1999-2001, and it was a lot of work! Even for someone like me who enjoys research and writing papers, it was a substantial course load. I graduated and was ordained in 2001 and highly recommend that program to folks interested in serving as interfaith ministers.
Still, I wanted to push further. There are indeed schools that used to offer degrees in such controversial areas as parapsychology, but even Duke has since relocated its Rhine Institute (dedicated to the study of parapsychology) off of its main campus and has severed official ties with it. I knew that I would again need to turn to a nontraditional program in order to satisfy my burgeoning metaphysical interests and goals—and I also knew that any such program would be as "academic" as I chose to make it.
One of the first things I did, in looking at UMS' sample courses, was to carefully review the bibliography of the World Religions course. I have two degrees in religion—from Duke and New Seminary—and so knew what to look for. I was satisfied with the evident level of scholarship.
Perhaps it's up to us to bring such studies more into the mainstream, to take advantage of what training is available to us now—in addition to our own outside pursuits—and later build on this foundation to bring the study of metaphysics and similar areas into more traditional and established programs.
For the time being, I am excited about my studies with UMS (having enrolled in October). I hope that UMS is able to expand its program in the near future, so that there is more community building amongst current students as well as on-site and in-person classes and gatherings. Perhaps UMS will be able to network with "brick and mortar" schools as a first step toward introducing metaphysical studies into more traditional academia.
I view my studies with UMS as a commitment not only to my own education and growth, but also to raising awareness in the world around me. It's a big job, but someone's got to do it. Why not us?
|Please feel free to visit our testimonials page if you would like to see some specific feedback from students of UMS! You can view it at http://umsonline.org/Testimonials.htm|
|Hi - yes you are right that these days you have to be careful, and I think all of us can understand your concerns, and you should be exploring any offers out there, not just taking it on blind faith. However, if you do your "due diligence" I think you will find that this is a legitimate and wonderful opportunity. |
I am not a student yet, but will be enrolling this week after much prayer, meditation and research. If you get "pooh-poohed" from people, that is likely just a conditioned reflex (some people are skeptical of everything) or a person who has not yet been "awakened".
We are entering times of even greater spiritual change, which has been slowly coming about since the 50's and is getting stronger and stronger. Remember when absolutely everyone thought Chiropractors were "quacks"? Now there are very few people who do not use one. I see a regular medical doctor for a condition I have, but even his offices are now integrating holistic approaches and recommending alternative therapies. The tide is changing and with it will come many, many newly awakened individuals who will be in need of guidance and advice and full of questions. What better opportunity to educate yourself so that the guidance you offer is based on a solid foundation and not the catch as catch can advice that has begun to proliferate from people who just wanna make a quick internet buck on what they perceive as the "New Age fad"? OR the self proclaimed "spiritual counselors" out there who have no formal training at all. To me, that's scary.
Personally, I have studied metaphysics and quantum theology on my own for many years. This April this Arian will pass the half century mark in this incarnation. However, I have never had a structured program available to me before. I looked into the New Seminary (? - something like that) and in fact have a friend who graduated from there, but their focus is a little off the wall for me from what she shared and seems to be heavily Wiccan based. I have been searching for the last two years for the "right" program that will provide me with something other than a ministerial degree that I can get thru the mail if I really wanted to. This program gives me the credentials to author and speak with authority and enhance and broaden my knowledge base. Believe me, at age 50, going to an expensive school for 8+ years for a degree that barely addresses my focus and interests was not an option. I am not one to jump into something without adequate thought and prayer. At my age I can ill afford to give my money away. I feel quite good about the decision that I have made and feel that it will help me to guide others as they awaken.
I truly believe that we are at a critical point in our world and the balance could tip either way depending upon how we proceed. There is not a whole lotta time to waste, so let's position ourselves well armed with solid foundations so that we can guide the ones who follow with SOUND advice and guidance and a knowledge of different religions and spiritual perspectives. You don't get that anywhere else.
Sorry to have gone on for so long, but am so convinced this is the right thing to do that I want to travel the world and shout it from the rooftops! The world perspective toward spirituality is changing, and those changes are coming faster and faster. Somebody who knows what they are doing need to be there to catch those who are newly awakened. We don't want them getting out of the wrong side of the bed, do we? Sorry, but I couldn't resist! LOL!
|Hi everyone.....I just enrolled past Friday and look forward to my first package. For years I read self help books and found out that I am a intuitive empath. I absorbe energy positive and negative like a sponge. I looked for a way to learn to channel my energy and avoid to be drained by vampires.LOL. I startet to give seminars on positive energy, but it was not enough. I knew I need an education which helps me to understand metaphysic...to understand my self and others. Last week I was told in my dream I have to study metaphsyics. Whatever I did in my life I listen to my intuition......and I know....enrolling at UMS...was the right thing to do. I look forward to the next few years to learn and earn the credential I need to get out to teach how to use our energy to our advantage. I look forward to the full inside of our connection to the Universe. |
Peace and Smiles,
|Welcome Saskia, I am sure that you will thoroughly enjoy your coursework at UMS! I also enrolled in UMS a couple of weeks ago and am enjoying the courses, especially the meditations.|
|Hi everyone, |
I'm very interested in enrolling, but I'm really not sure if its going to be recognised where I am. I live in Australia. I've done heaps of reading over the years, and I'm ready to hone the knowledge and skills, and put it to work. Someone at the uni let me know that there are some Aussies doing the course, but none yet finished. Anyone out there one of those Aussies, or know of someone, and by chance have you looked into whether this course will be recognised in Aus?
|Or perhaps is there anyone who has completed the degree, and is working in the metaphysical field? Be good to hear from someone who has finished, to let us know what they are now doing with the course. |
|Hi Kathryn, |
Interesting how energy flows. Two days after you posted your question (which I only actually saw last night), I too requested the same information. As a Sydney-sider, I am also interested in the UMS but also wish to understand its 'relevence' within Australia. My questions (via email) to UMS are below, followed by their responses.
If there are any Aussies that may read this and car to respond, it would be most appreciated.
I have a number of questions which I hope you are able to answer:
1. Whilst the program is recognised/accredited in the USA by AADP and AAMA, are you aware of any similar accreditations in Australia?
2. Have you any idea where such a program may fit into the Australian landscape? Other than accumulating a lot of experience within the topic of metaphysics, what other 'value' would the UMS degrees hold in Australia (I did a bunch of courses at Nature Care College - www.naturecare.com.au - a while back, but this was simply to feed my right brain).
3. The concept of becoming a minister or reverend had never occurred to me. How would this sit with the highly conservative and restrictive Catholic and Anglican faiths that dominate Australia? Do you know if the UMS qualifications would be recognised here?
4. Are there students currently registered in Australia? If so, is it possible for me to contact them (or get them to contact me - to preserve the confidentiality requirements)?
5. What are your plans (if any at this time) in establishing a facility in Australia?
Thank you for your interest in University of Metaphysical Sciences! That is wonderful that you are now giving time to your passion. Indeed, I think UMS may be able to assist you in your vision of healing people and the earth. We have tried to open up an avenue for people to professionsally use and share metaphysical information. Our students are really enjoying this information and we have seen many students already putting it to work.
Now to your questions. I will give my responses with a number in correlation to your questions.
1, 2, and 3. UMS degrees are recognized in other countries the same way they are recognized in the United States. They are considered “religious” degrees in a particular area of “religion.” As long as you are pursuing a career in metaphysics in metaphysical circles, your degree will be well recognized and well-respected. If you are pursuing a career in a secular (non-religious) market, your degree will not be recognized. Remember that you are targeting a specific market, and your degree only applies to that market. It works the same way in the United States. Religious degrees are not recognized in secular markets, and vice versa. As long as you stick to a metaphysical audience, UMS degrees are well respected and well-recognized.
Even if Australia is conservative in the mainstream (often that is the case in N. America too) I am sure there are thousands of people who are not and are looking for assistance in awakening spiritually. You would be able to then fill a ripe need in your country for helping people who aren't strict religious people, but open to new ways of being. A minister of Metaphysics really means someone who is willing to help people from all different beliefs and faiths. Metaphysics is not a religion but a field of experimentation and growing shared wisdom. So this degree could really help you serve people and the earth.
4. We do have students from Australia and all over the world. For privacy issues I cannot give out their information. However, what you can do is go to our forum which you can find by going to the url http://umsonline.org/forum/index.asp Once there you can post a comment as a guest wishing to speak with any of the students. Perhaps one of the Australian students will see it and respond to you. There is no guarantee that they will, but you can give it a try.
5. We are distance learning facility that offers courses over the internet or by mail, so we don't have an actual campus or any plans to open one in other areas. Although the director is making plans to open up a retreat center in the future on the west coast of the U.S. As a distance learning school it allows students from all over the world to join without having to leave their home.
We would love to have you involved in our school. I think you would benefit, Australians would benefit, and of course our great earth would benefit through the sharing of this information that allows people to become more conscious of how their awareness and actions are affecting the whole.
I hope I have answered you questions. If you have more please feel free to call or email us.
Many blessings to you Nigel,
University Of Metaphysical Sciences
P.O. Box 4505
Arcata, CA 95518
"Higher Education For Spiritual Unfoldment and Teacher Training, Bringing Professionalism To The Field Of Metaphysics"
|Hello Kathryn, |
Yes, your degree is recognized in Australia, but just as is the case in the US, it is mostly only going to be of value in the metaphysical market and of interest to a metaphysical audience. The secular market does not recognize religious degrees for any other market but what that specialized area of religion is. As long as you are catering to a metaphysical market, your degree will be well-recognized and well-respected, for UMS has developed a reputation for offering a very solid program.
As far a graduates in Australia, we have just started our marketing in Australia recently, so as of now, all our Australian students are still going through the program for they have signed up recently. Nigel, another prospective student has posted answers to the questions he asked of us as a response to your question! He is an Australian citizen, so you two can meet right here at the forum!
|Thanks Nigel and Laura, |
Good to see there are some Aussies out there interested in this type of thing! I know we have a lot of practitioners popping up in Reiki, Pranic healing, even some in Holistic councelling, but this seems to be an all round kind of course. I'll be living in WA, and there are not many courses available out there. How do you find the course content of this degree compared to courses you've already done Nigel? Theres always that huge benefit of hands on experience to think of.
And to Laura, or anyone else who has completed the course, is the course strong enough on its own without a hands on component, or is it advisable to take short courses/workshops with hands on in specific areas concurrently? I'm still a little dubious about completing the course and just stepping straight on in to the workforce (which is what I want to do).
|Hi Kathryn, |
I am making the assumption (unless refuted by UMS) that this degree will be for personal reasons only in Australia and will only help to enhance any other Australian-recognised courses we may wish to take. As an ex-South African I am not familiar with the Aussie education system, but if it is anything like RSA, then a degree is quite a prestigious and demanding experience (of at least three years full time – in the ‘old’ days anyway). I completed an engineering degree in 1986 followed by an MBA in 1991, a total of nine years full-time study!
I have thus still to be convinced that the UMS degree will hold the same weight as a degree earned in Australia and hence my comment about this being for self-developmental reasons only (which is not a bad reason in itself). But I do believe it will need to be supported by other local qualifications in order to practice (especially in our strongly litigious society). The course content looks fascinating and certainly would appear to provide a well rounded experience - but how useful that is in offering formal recognition locally? I guess we will have to wait and see.
This is why an Australian accreditation body that recognise the UMS degree would be so valuable here.
Let me know your thoughts on this and if you have any information which may support or challenge this viewpoint.
|Hi Nigel, |
The thing is that it is not an 'academic' degree as such, and UMS ensure we understand that. But working in the Metaphysical field is not really academic either. There arent any degrees in the area. And I assume there are many people who operate only on ability, not with a course behind them. Since theres only a hand full of short courses available in specific areas, I dont think people even care what kind of accreditation you have, because since it wont be academic, they wont really know what it means or how good it is any. People that are open to alternative healing and other spiritual things are probably more interested in your actual skills. So I'm assuming it doesnt matter so much anyway. Its more about what we will actually learn, and whether that will give us the confidence and skill to start doing something with it. I will probably sign up, then as I get into, decide on some specific hands on courses to complement for my own piece of mind. I'm interested in almost all of the course content, so I really need to narrow down my interest too!
Thanks for your feedback!
|Hi Kathryn, |
I think you sum this up very well! I too will probably try and see where it heads to, whilst at the same time sign up for locally accredited courses. Good luck with the program – perhaps we can study together on the astral??
If you know of any accrediting agencies in Australia that accredit metaphysical schools, we would be most interested and go through the application process. There aren't many accrediting agencies that deal with schools like ours because metaphysics is still considered a "new emerging field of study," so there aren't many accrediting options, especially since we do not offer secular degrees that offer Math, Science, Language, etc, which is a requirement for most accrediting agencies that exist. We figure there are plenty of schools that offer those sorts of courses and it simply isn't necessary to offer those at our school.
As far as legitimacy for practicing, it is mostly based on your ministerial status for practicing, not your degree. The degree gives your ministerial status more legitimacy, however, because anyone can get a minister's license for $5 on the internet. You would be a person who would show that you have gone deeper into training yourself than a person with no degree to support the validity of their ministerial license.
I sure would like to visit Australia someday!
Location: Northern Utah, USA
I am a graduate of another Metaphysical Institution with a B.Msc. I have decided to continue my Metaphysical education with UMS. I have researched UMS and their non-profit 501 c (3) status. I can tell you they are in good standing with the US Government from what I could find, and as a religious non-profit organization their degrees and ordinations are valid in that sense. UMS is not another diploma mill. Their degree courses are very comprhensive and well rounded. That is why I have chosen to join UMS as a student in the very near future. My old school and church is good, and I will continue to have an association and relationship with them, but I choose UMS because their courses are up to date and covers much more than other schools do. JMHO...
Edited by metanovaman 5/26/2006 8:27 PM
Location: Hirosaki, Japan
|i recommend Perth if you go to Australia. I'll be there for 4 days this summer, and sailing off her shores for about 2 weeks. |
Location: Northern Utah, USA
Just a side note, I work as an "At Risk Youth Counselor" at a large US Government run residential educational/vocational center. We have a capacity of 1320 students. I run a dorm with up to 63 young men from the ages of 16 to 24 years old. It is a tough and challenging job, but ultimately rewarding. My B.Msc. Degree is accepted and recognized by my employer. It was also accepted and recognized when I used to work as a Hospice Chaplain...
I have carefully gone through the opinions expressed on the issue of accreditation and all that. It is my opinion that this is a good college on metaphysical sciences because I have enrolled and gone through their course materials.They are good.
I have some higher degrees from some secular universities and from a little that I have read of the UMS courses, I believe that any amount spent here will be worth it because they are well researched. I have also previously studied some elements of metaphysics from some schools but none is as organized as UMS.
In regard to the degrees, my advice is that we should not limit ourselves from the beginning. We should think and aim high if really we are students of metaphysics. In essence, we should think of how to establish our own churches,temples or healing homes etc. At the end of the day, it is not going to be the degree itself but what we can make out of it. After all we are supposed to be students of metaphysics.
From my previous studies on the subject, I have been able to establish my own Healing Temple---Oja International Temple, but as a student on the path, it is never enough and I believe my studies at UMS will be beneficial.
|The meditations give the mind somethin to "do" while you are attempting to quiet it. I have many challenges getting a grip on my wandering mind, and so it seems important to have something to wrap around to create the active stillness that is this kind of meditation.|
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