Moderator Clarification Requested
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Posted 9/29/2008 1:57 PM (#10510)
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Greetings. I feel the need to have issues addressed here, and my issues need a non biased response. In a forum of this nature, why is blatant disrespect of members acceptable...from other members? My assumption of course is that it is accepted because it is obviously being tolerated. Why is it then being tolerated ? I recall distantly a particular member being asked to leave because turmoil was created by her inflammatory and flat out rude comments. That was nothing compared to this utter nonsense.

To consistently in his posts attempt to show his superiority, to exhibit a real lack of tolerance for anyone who has ever walked a mile in a pair of shoes besides his..to bully those that he has not taken the time to get to know, referring to the word dignity when people get in touch with their playful natures and then to lamely attempt to soften his blow by signing claims of peace and love accompanied by endearing names of his feline friends is absolutely transparent. . . And guess what?

I am not alone, but I am so incensed I will take the fall here. I am a proud UMS student. I have the right to enjoy this discussion board. I have no fear. I should not have to back away from a really wonderful experience like I have to avoid the insults to myself and others I have grown to respect and love. Therefore, I won't. I can understand disagreements which are unavoidable for the sake of our learning processes. I cannot understand the acceptance of this person's behavior. There is no need to be so cruel and hurtful. He is obviously a very intelligent man...and is clearly manipulating because somewhere along the line he was taught that this was ok.

The endured disrespect has been in a public forum, therefore so is this post. We need to stand up. We need to speak our minds. I for one, just have. Again, a response from non biased moderators is respectfully requested.

Thank you.


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mruppert
Posted 9/29/2008 4:13 PM (#10513 - in reply to #10510)
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Oh...I just read this.....and since I am the one that names my cats their real names, which are cute, I must know that you are talking about me.

If I have offended you, please accept my humble and sincere apology! I shall not trouble you again!

Peace and Love,

Marty and my cats: Luckylee Ruppert, Poppyhead Ruppert and Sissy Currey

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Paul Joseph
Posted 9/30/2008 4:14 AM (#10531 - in reply to #10513)
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Marty - a couple of song references for you today to enjoy on other posts .... check me out if you cannot find them !
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Posted 9/30/2008 8:14 AM (#10548 - in reply to #10510)
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Lori,i love you greatly,you have my deepest respect,shine brightly as the star you truly are,stand tall,i will be at your side,and proud to be so,love irisx
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instinctual
Posted 9/30/2008 11:17 AM (#10551 - in reply to #10510)
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Thanks everyone for your responses. I do await feedback from moderators regarding acceptable behavior. I feel it is necessary to clarify for the sake of all. I want to be sure we are all playing nice in this big ole sand box.
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Paul Joseph
Posted 9/30/2008 1:41 PM (#10554 - in reply to #10551)
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you always play nice by me I
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instinctual
Posted 9/30/2008 3:15 PM (#10561 - in reply to #10510)
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Yes and thank you and likewise..as most here do not fling abrasive and caustic sand in the eyes of others, P....unless by mistake which can always happen..I thought that I was generally non

confrontational because I recognize that tolerance and ultimately acceptance of everyone's path you cross IS the true path of a spiritual healer and or metaphysician, however I

feel even

stronger in my -----

convictions ------hence I am grateful these these bones were rattled!!!!

Theoretical/philosophical/ethical issues here for us all to ponder: If we do not set personal limits, if we do not live by example and if we do not speak out when something is simply not right,

have we
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failed ...

ourselves, our world?


Don't we all have

accountabilities? Are we not all responsible for our actions, the safety of our surroundings? If you either witnessed unfairness on the street or were a victim of it .. would you sit back and

justify hurtful behavior and chalk.................

it up to........ tolerance? Would you scream out injustice and go into protection mode of either yourself or another? Would you sit back and wait for someone else to deal with it so you don't

have to bother?................

Would you walk away, and pretend you never saw it at all....would you talk about it with your friends, and never do a thing about it....
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Tracy Martin
Posted 9/30/2008 5:51 PM (#10563 - in reply to #10510)
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Hi Lori, please see my private message.
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sunflower
Posted 10/1/2008 4:57 AM (#10571 - in reply to #10563)
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its blatently obvious something wrong is going on here,and truths are hidden,i agree with all lori says,and if i be the one under attack,or deemed as being rude etc,me iris,tell me,muppet has taken the wrap,others have rudely ignored,so hence,reading other posts,concerning myself,and responses,and the jumble of underhand semingly disguised in clever grammer to confuse,i would like to know why,if this is a public forum,why is the rsponse to loris perfecly true observations,replied to in a private message for none to see,what message does that send out to the public,i feel the moderators,some under disguise,all keep together,and have not such spiritual cores as proclaimed,maybe one or two,but as this is not just a discussion board,but a business,in effect,could it be that maybe one,or maybe another member is not welcome here,but has not been told,if this is the case,as i feel especialy so with me,then just tell me,and i,ll gladly go,but this riddle of the sands approach is definately not spiritual,is it skins to be saved,or boats not to be rocked,or secrets not told bcause of their content,you have a duty as a public forum to be honest with all,and all to see,i await your reply,publicly,whats the point of lori making a complaint,observations,when she is so annoyed she has the courage of her convictions to say it out loud in public,then ignored by most,and still questions unanswered,iris
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instinctual
Posted 10/1/2008 11:30 AM (#10585 - in reply to #10510)
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Thank you Tracy, I will respond. I appreciate your attention

Iris, I as always appreciate your passion...

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Tracy Martin
Posted 10/1/2008 12:25 PM (#10594 - in reply to #10510)
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These are the rules regarding use of the Discussion Board.

It can be very helpful for each of us to consider language that builds up, opens, supports, and shares wisdom versus language that tears down, shuts up, judges, and does not allow for other opinions and beliefs, or dogmatically asserts one's own belief/preference/opinion as the only correct and reasonable and morally superior answer. Each of us has our own belief/preference/opinion, we can make it clear that it is so, and allow that others will have differences.

Sometimes the wording we use communicates subtle rigidities of opinion which others pick up and feel as an attack. Usually we can 'soften the blows' with one another in our responses, allowing for an even wider expression of perspectives. We are on a path which shifts us from layers and limitations in our responses to others  to the authentic expression of our own truth. And so, there are times when we offend, let us gently steer ourselves back to the course. We are a community and as such we support one another in this venue as best we can. Thank you for all the loving support, forgiveness, encouragement, inspiration that you have given to me and to one another. It is a blessing to have a place to meet and explore.....

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Enjoy and have fun! May your discussions on our forum be enriching!
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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/1/2008 12:35 PM (#10596 - in reply to #10594)
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Thanks for the clarification Tracy.

The Golden Rule rules maybe !? 'Treat others as you would want them to treat you' ?

I read an interesting variation of this also which is also I felt subtly different, 'Do not do unto others what you would not want them to do to you !"

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instinctual
Posted 10/1/2008 1:01 PM (#10598 - in reply to #10510)
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Thank you so kindly Tracy for your clarification, caring, attention and time!!! Thanks also Marty Paul and Iris and everyone for your candor and acknowledgement...
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Tracy Martin
Posted 10/1/2008 1:14 PM (#10600 - in reply to #10571)
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Dear Sweet Iris...please forgive me for the time it has taken to respond to this. I have been away, preoccupied, and I needed to really take another look at some of the posts where Lori and others have felt intimidated or disrespected because I was oblivious to it. I don't know for certain what else to say.

Jill, Nefertiti, and I are the only ones who officially 'moderate' this Board and we are not required to do it on a daily or even a weekly basis. The Board was set up so that it is run on an honor system by the participants. YOU are the community who is reaching out to one another. It took a lot of courage for Lori to stand and say what she was experiencing, and it is an honor that we share in a supportive community of souls here. May the friendships deepen, may there be forgiveness, respect, and may all of our healing loving vibrations be given and received by one another.

Please, Iris, be at ease, associate with those whom you feel comfortable with, share your loving heart and sweet humor.

There are definitely posts which are ignored, or not responded to, some posts stand alone, try not to take things too personally. I am so sorry that you are seeing patterns of some subtle manipulation. The Board belongs to YOU.
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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/1/2008 1:22 PM (#10601 - in reply to #10600)
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How right you are Tracy ... like the Hopi saying

"We are the ones we have been waiting for" !

How nice too to see Margaret from UMS on the Board. Namaste All x

It is often difficult to really know and feel how we 'come across' to others when we post, and ensure that we do so with respect.
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Margaret
Posted 10/1/2008 1:32 PM (#10602 - in reply to #10510)
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I am glad to be on board, and to meet everyone! Thanks to Tracy for her efforts to clarify ~ I appreciate reading what she has offered from her heart...

Thanks for the welcome, Paul

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Tracy Martin
Posted 10/1/2008 1:36 PM (#10604 - in reply to #10510)
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My wonderful sister Margaret! Welcome! Yay!
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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/1/2008 1:48 PM (#10606 - in reply to #10602)
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The pleasure is all mine dearest Margaret

... and Tracy too !

Hummm

(that's a Winnie the Pooh honey-dripping Hum

that can also double, or dumble, or humble, or bubble - yet with no toil nor trouble nor grumble,

simply tumble in Love

for the sacred Sound of the Universal Soul ! x)

Edited by Paul Joseph 10/1/2008 1:49 PM
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instinctual
Posted 10/1/2008 1:54 PM (#10607 - in reply to #10510)
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Margaret, how nice to see you here, as I usually see you and feel you on the tail end of my tests and meditation experiences! Can you and Tracy hug each other, for me?

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Louise
Posted 10/1/2008 5:25 PM (#10613 - in reply to #10510)
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I think this is a very important post, the response of which will shape the future of this board. It deserves a return flow of courage, care and attention that Lori quite rightly raised. In addition to a return flow of love, we need a sensible, structured response - balance of heart and mind. I know that I have withdrawn my time from the board because I have sensed a growing shift of energy. This energy - of egocentric self interest & demonstration, manipulation and power struggles in my mind is unacceptable - yet - here lies my own ego - of fear - growing just at the thought. We all have ego, we all have rational logical minds - it is not about getting rid of, it is about balance. And this forum, as a reflection of our human nature is a living breathing entity, varying between opposite poles - but does require to be brought back into balance. If I, as a UMS student have withdrawn, how many other people are waiting or observing, not feeling a welcoming energy.

My view is that if people haven't been able to 'see'what has been going on, it is because the issues of power, control and manipulation are not part of their soul challenge. When we see what we don't like, it reflects a fear that we have within ourselves - and we all choose how we respond to this fear. I for example, became very fearful of reading many of the posts, acknowledged that potential within myself that would grow in power if I indulged, and decided to withdraw. Clearly, Lori has the courage to reflect a truth that is true for some of us - not perhaps for all. Every experience of every forum member is equally valuable, and therefore, we need to provide some clearer guidance to ensure that behaviour and intention does not consistently and repeatedly cause hurt, and lower the vibration of the forum. Even if our intent, or that we are unaware that our words are manipulative or hurtful, but they DO - we have a collective responsbility to bring ourselves back into balance with honesty, integrity and truth.

Some thoughts before you post:

Are you acting as a channel of peace i.e. even when using our minds, our intention is to bring wisdom and truth forth. Wisdom is not personal, it is universal. If you say something 'wise'- take 'credit' for being an open channel if you must - but the words don't belong to you, so you have nothing to prove or protect.
Are you acting in service, before self-interest. Neale-Donald Walsch said "your purpose is to bring joy to others, and in doing so, bring joy to yourself - IN THAT ORDER"
Review your words - is every single word sent with the intention of love for your fellow travel partner and human being - this does not mean you state your love, you DEMONSTRATE your love
Is your contribution to assist others in their positive transformation, or to demonstrate to yourself that you are worthy? We are all insecure in different ways, we need to find a way of supporting everyone - how can we help one another on our path to find self worth without it being at the the expense of others? I know that this is a difficult balance - if we look at the number 1 as an archetype - the 1 is self-orientated - in balance it inspires, bring forth new ideas, and treads new ground for others to walk. Out of balance it can arrogant (believing that inspiration comes from you, not through you), rude and self-driven. To bring the 1 into balance, the 1 needs to learn 'interdependence' - no man is an island, no man in more important, we all have equal valuable roles to play, and listening to your fellow team mates before speaking is key.

Finally, I'd like to finish with the Prayer of St. Francis - an excellent prayer for ensuring that your intent is in line with service orientated principles:

Lord, make me a channel of thy peace;
that where there is hatred, I may bring love;
that where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness;
that where there is discord, I may bring harmony;
that where there is error, I may bring truth;
that where there is doubt, I may bring faith;
that where there is despair, I may bring hope;
that where there are shadows, I may bring light;
that where there is sadness, I may bring joy.
Lord, grant that I may seek rather to comfort than to be comforted;
to understand, than to be understood;
to love, than to be loved.
For it is by self-forgetting that one finds.
It is by forgiving that one is forgiven.
It is by dying that one awakens to eternal life.
Amen.

In my view, the dying is related to the death of the ego and self-interest.

Thank you to everyone for the opportunity to raise the vibration of this board.

Louise
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Tracy Martin
Posted 10/1/2008 5:42 PM (#10614 - in reply to #10510)
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Thank you Louise for a very clear expression of spiritual intention.


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Posted 10/1/2008 6:23 PM (#10615 - in reply to #10613)
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Dearest Louise -

With clarity of thought, a pure heart of healing and crystalline vision, you bring forth sentiments and words that I have grappled with and stumbled over whilst seeing through red colored glasses. Your words are palpable. I hope they resonate to all in the manner they need to be received. Blessings to you, and may you always shine!

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Margaret
Posted 10/1/2008 7:15 PM (#10616 - in reply to #10510)
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Hi, Lori ~ so glad to make contact with you here, after being on exams with you!

I appreciate the gifts you have brought in to this board, by way of opening this discussion to reach core of the heart, towards an invitation to really 'live' the beautiful invocations of St. Francis, that Louise has put forth..... I give you a virtual hug, and will hug Tracy too!

Namaste and blessings to all ~
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Louise
Posted 10/1/2008 8:03 PM (#10617 - in reply to #10510)
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Having given this some further thought this morning, I have come to realise that I (as well as anyone else holding their energy and input back) is part of the problem, and part of the solution. This forum needs to be about balance, and respect. Unless all of us come forward, with our different energies, then perhaps that balance won't be realised.

Perhaps we need to be respectfully more open - maybe even private messaging to say "hey, did I get you wrong, because I am really upset by your message?" where we have come to an understanding, it would be great to share that understanding with others - it is possible that the issue is one of perception, and we need to find a way to ensure that we are all being perceived as accurately to our intent as possible.

Regardless of how this is achieved, I would also ask anyone else reading this from the sidelines to step-forth and participate in the board so that a balance of all personalities can be achieved. In withdrawing, we take away someone else's right to be able to respond and for a reconcilliation to be achieved.
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Posted 10/1/2008 10:28 PM (#10623 - in reply to #10617)
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Louise - 10/2/2008 9:03 AM
Perhaps we need to be respectfully more open - maybe even private messaging to say "hey, did I get you wrong, because I am really upset by your message?" where we have come to an understanding, it would be great to share that understanding with others - it is possible that the issue is one of perception, and we need to find a way to ensure that we are all being perceived as accurately to our intent as possible.


I believe it is totally and issue of perception, and I also feel like innocence is lost.
I really was afraid it would come to this and the law book would come crashing down as it always does.
To wrap everything, every single word that seems negative, in a blanket of compassion and understanding as much as possible transforms that energy.
Everyone we see in our lives is fighting a very hard battle, and i was honored that someone would show me their wound, not offended. Showing your wound to someone might take their breath away but it also mean?”look, im cut, please be careful, help me heal it." Not that i ever walk on egg shells in life, but even with my icon, its purpose was to invoke positive thoughts for people, if it failed to do so to any one person, i failed and ill try again, not because i am concerned with anyones perception of me, but because i failed to achieve my goal. as far as my thoughts on balance, i myself enjoy seeing the scales tip in either direction.
I enjoy a dramatic ebb and flow and consider that balance as well. To me true balance was the state before the scale and lawbook was drawn up, heh, the way i have always viewed law is " i wasnt consulted with the creation of the law, so i am not bound to another mans law."... but i understand society too.
in closing, every person is their own moderator, and everything put out here is a finished, thought out product, we had to type it after all.... there is no other state than true self, altered self is an illusion, and everything written is the writers golden word and an insight into them. Take the good and the bad as equal and beautiful, for they are all our own blooming flowers.
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Tracy Martin
Posted 10/2/2008 1:00 AM (#10629 - in reply to #10510)
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Thanks James, I really appreciated seeing that perspective. It stretched my understanding in a whole different direction.
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Posted 10/2/2008 2:44 AM (#10630 - in reply to #10510)
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Hello, I guess I have some catching up to do. I have been not as active as normal, as I just learned that I am going to be a grandma. YIKES

I am giving up my office, so my baby can have a place to give home to her baby. It's been taking my time and I am so sorry if I personally have missed anything that may have been out of context.

Normally, we don't have much problems, and by all means I know I would like to see us all as one huge extended family, however words do tend to get taken with no emotion to them, or facial expressions, so it's very hard to know whether it's directed good or bad.

I know my own feelings have been trampled on a few times, I have even cried in the past over things said.... but over all, I also grew stronger and learned much (even about my own flaws).

We all hurt, we all love. Hopefully, we all can reach out and help each other in this process too.

It really does help to have things brought to our attention, between Tracy, Nef and Myself, it is very easy to accidentally miss things, but we all try hard not to. We will be watching. In the meantime, for anyone who does feel hurt over a post, please do PM one of us. We will do our best to clear up any misunderstandings. It's also easy to miss a problem, if we were not directly involved. We take things much differently as an observer. I do think everyone made good points.

Many blessings ~
 
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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/2/2008 4:14 AM (#10639 - in reply to #10629)
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Nice one NE ... we have a saying over here, 'rules are made to be broken'

& St Francis is to die for Louise !

Though too, I feel that emotional pain, since we are in feeling bodies, does need attending to, somehow, and in whatever positive and respectful ways we can divine, without showering others with it unconsciously.

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Margaret
Posted 10/2/2008 1:38 PM (#10659 - in reply to #10510)
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NothingEverthing posted: " Everyone we see in our lives is fighting a very hard battle, and i was honored that someone would show me their wound, not offended. Showing your wound to someone might take their breath away but it also mean?”look, im cut, please be careful, help me heal it."

I do love this approach, breaking down the resistance with a request to be helped by person who has 'perpetrated' the offense.... I am wanting to do this in my life right now, personally ~ this really speaks to me.

The gist of it is, I want to enroll the other person in my healing, to help heal my inability to immediately 'forgive' the offense, which has been apologized for (I know that time would eventually take care of this, but I am wanting to transform it at this time, since the person is my roomate!). So it occurs to me that coming to her, with my inner child honesty == that under my anger, I am grieving the loss of something that she was responsible for-- done in innocence, but injudicious assumption on her part-- and to ask if could she help me participate in a gesture of compensation, as a ritual ~ this , then could be done for my Inner Child, by both adults.

It may be a good way that I can authentically connect with her and release the anger, as she agrees to help me heal by validating my mourning . (The offense was that she mistakenly pulled up my beautiful cherry tomato plant while I was away, and removed all the green tomatoes to ripen inside the house. The plant was far from dying; it is not cold here yet.... the tomatoes were ripening well, so I don't know what the purpose of this was, and I do not eat tomatoes not ripened off the vine! There was still plenty of time left here, and it was a shock to see it gone when I came up the drive.... after my hard work nurturing it this summer!) I will ask what she would suggest for this ritual, and see how she might want to help the healing proceed.... in this way I can appreciate her, as someone I live with.

Thank you for this new perspective, as it takes off a lot of pressure off of me ~ blessings!
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Posted 10/2/2008 2:24 PM (#10660 - in reply to #10510)
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I am so grateful and blessed that we are discussing these issues with candor and sensitivity, thoughtfulness and ultimately respect. I am thrilled that we have taken such a potentially dangerous and risky issue and are utilizing it as a basis for growth and tolerance. You all mean more to me than you could possibly know...

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Posted 10/2/2008 2:26 PM (#10661 - in reply to #10510)
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Oh and, welcome to the young and hip Granny Club, Jiller!

May your world turn upside down gracefully and with joy!
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Posted 10/2/2008 2:36 PM (#10663 - in reply to #10510)
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I agree. It made great sense to me. For only the hurting seem to hurt others. It is a way to scream out to the world, I am hurting, please notice.

I too tend to get really hurt easily, especially when I am hurting. However I have noticed that when I am not hurting, I need to be more observant to when others are hurting. We offer what we can in hopes to become more aware of this.

Sometimes being human, is very hard. I also agree very much that we are at always in war.

In hopes to find that peace inside and out~
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Posted 10/2/2008 2:38 PM (#10664 - in reply to #10661)
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instinctual - 10/2/2008 2:26 PMOh and, welcome to the young and hip Granny Club, Jiller! May your world turn upside down gracefully and with joy!


Thanks hun... YEP, it's exciting alright. My baby is only 19. Starting young.... but I do feel she is mature enough, since it was I that started my motherhood just 6 months later than she.

I hope I can help pick out names.... he he he. I feel like it's almost my own baby. In a way, it is. I am thrilled to pickles.... ha ha ha

Thank you very much!

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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/2/2008 3:56 PM (#10673 - in reply to #10659)
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Dear Margaret - how your incident resonates ... over the summer our nephew, niece and their tiny children came to stay ... I was out of the room for a moment when my son (aged 22, supervising) rushed out of the room, said 'Dad, 'x' has broken your Oud' ... I rushed in to find the tiny young lady had pushed inwards the beautifully carved inlay of one of the sound holes (Oud = Eastern stringed instrument) .... what could I do ? Not even notice it !

But felt the wound of my poor Oud's damage ... though not perhaps as living as your tomatoes ...

Then a couple of weeks ago, blowing my sikkhu across the oud (sikkhu = Andean pipes), there was an amazing resonance, that before seemed to have been restrained by the inlay ...

so my little niece had created an accidental Development !

Loving accidents abound ... if we do not hold not too much, I guess ...

Communication Rules xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Love to You

Paul
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Lightdancer
Posted 10/2/2008 8:25 PM (#10689 - in reply to #10510)
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Hello all,

I am a relative newcomer here, and was very active initially on the boards when I joined. I understand the issues, as I observed and personally experienced some of the discounting of opinions, and what I and others could consider rudeness. I chose to withdraw rather than engage, and moved on to other more positive relationships. I am sorry for those who feel the need to dominate, and I hope that they can find true peace in their realities.

I am glad to see alot more activity as of late, as it was quite quiet on the boards for awhile. It was so quiet, to the point that I wasn't sure if this was a real active organization and whether I should sign up for classes or not. I have though and am glad I did. Thank you for being here, folks!

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Louise
Posted 10/2/2008 9:13 PM (#10692 - in reply to #10689)
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Welcome back Lightdancer! I feel that we need a full compliment of energies in order to provide a healthy balance here - we all have an equal responsibility for making this a great place to be. Dominance and power, does need diplomacy and gentleness in order to achieve a happy balance. If this forum was a single person, each of us a subpersonality, you can see how some parts of our nature can withdraw and succumb to the the stronger side of ourself - therefore, we all have a role to play by stepping forward and sharing ourselves, with no one part of us at fault - especially when we are not all giving of ourselves. I'm so pleased you're here and look forward to finding out about you!
Bye for now,
Louise
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Margaret
Posted 10/3/2008 1:16 AM (#10695 - in reply to #10510)
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Thanks, Paul, for your kind sentiments ~ indeed, there can be unseen blessings sometimes with 'loss' ~ and musical instruments such as you have, would seem to be far more to greive over.... than a plant. Yet the music was made!

This day has been so interesting, with the ups and downs that it seemed to have... a great gift to have others sharing so heartfully ~ welcome to courses at UMS, Lightdancer! Glad you are on the discussion board again, and feeling good about it!

Peace to all as this day comes to a close, for this tired puppy....
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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/3/2008 3:34 AM (#10696 - in reply to #10692)
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Yes to all that is being said around here now

I often wonder if I post too much, so hope that doesn;t come across as a seeking to 'dominate' (but please let me know if it does); it's felt to me my way more, of seeking to keep positive things going, rightly or wrongly

& .... wonderful Avatar Louise (though your picture was nice too !)

& ps Lightdancer, Louise (and Sunflower, who may be logged in?) did you check out the 'What I love about you' thread .... ? x

and 19 guest users as I type ! Wow

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sunflower
Posted 10/3/2008 4:31 AM (#10701 - in reply to #10600)
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thankyou tracy for the clarification,and kind words,it has made me understand better,i have learned a lot from this board,and enjoy the different topics and opinions,the humour,and the serious,at this moment of time i feel a loving swirling whooshing warm wind of love and peace desend,let it always be so,there will always be differences of opinion,and some people will be drawn more to some than others,human nature,this board has also taught me to stand back and question myself,and my attitudes,and i feel jill is totaly spot on when she says about the mood or state of mind,or what is happening personaly in ones life at any given moment of time,can,and does affect responses,and nature of understanding,my full stops still not working,so i borrow the kind one of paul,we all have a lot in common,and i feel there is a reason,other than chatting,as to why we as a group are here,thanks lori for starting this thread,you have oened up another door that and taken things to a higher level,of understanding,hope,and love, ps,my orange peace rose that i planted a while back,that i said i spoke to etc,as i speak to all my plants with love,has just bloomed a single rose,love is universal,so i must treat others as i do my rose,with love,understanding,warmth and respect,irisx
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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/3/2008 4:35 AM (#10702 - in reply to #10701)
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Loving thoughts to you and your rose, Sunflower dearest x
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sunflower
Posted 10/3/2008 5:02 AM (#10703 - in reply to #10702)
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thankyou paul,the same love coming straight back to you,i,ll have to get my full stop fixed,or i,ll be using up all yours haha!love irisx,
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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/3/2008 6:29 AM (#10705 - in reply to #10703)
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I seem to have a limitless supply .... here are a few to keep you going, but please do not use them to stop posting

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(like that spiritual law, the more you give away, the more you have)

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instinctual
Posted 10/3/2008 10:32 AM (#10722 - in reply to #10510)
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Welcome, Lightdancer...so happy you are here to play with us!
Such good news that you have signed up and are now a student...the world needs your light
x

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instinctual
Posted 10/3/2008 10:38 AM (#10723 - in reply to #10659)
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Beauty-filled Margaret, I am so touched and inspired by your tomato story...how you can so mindfully for the sake of ascension of all involved see this issue as an opportunity for healing and

learning. . . "as she agrees to help me heal by validating my mourning "....this is breathtaking!

May you and your friend find symbolism and joy, and may vine ripened tomatoes abound for you, always!

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instinctual
Posted 10/3/2008 10:47 AM (#10724 - in reply to #10673)
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Paul, appreciation for your Oud incident....I can only imagine you felt your heart drop into your gut initially...what you say about accidental developments rings truth, yet I do wonder how

accidental

they indeed are....

Your Oud is indeed alive, just like tomatoes are, with vibrations and energies and in your case, cellular memories ( though tomato plants carry memories as well I presume )....perhaps Spirit

worked through your tiny young lady like niece to affect the energy of your cherished instrument, so that you may "hear" things differently? Sweetly? With a different tone?

Blessings to you and all your instruments...

x

L

(Oh, and PS- I really dig your location!)

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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/3/2008 12:47 PM (#10734 - in reply to #10724)
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Wow All ... Board sure picking up speed these days !!

A vibrant magic carpet ride (or cosmic raft - 'Fairy Story' style xx)

Thanks for the location guidance Lori
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Nefertiti
Posted 10/3/2008 1:25 PM (#10738 - in reply to #10510)
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I personally only jump in if there is a big problem and/or a problem is brought to our attention. I also do not like to get personal, but my goal is to make sure the school itself is not being bashed / or members hurt / bashed or spammed. Tracy did a lovely job on posting the forum rules. Thank you Tracy!

I am more of a lurker and read in the background, while occasionally I do feel inclined to join in. I did see some poor wording on an opinion, but it didn't put down a person per say, just some artwork, from what I gathered I wasn't even sure what was being discussed as it was unclear to me. I waited to see what results came from it. The good thing is, it was worked out, without a moderator stepping in. This is a great thing as we do honestly have some really wonderful people here in this forum. On top of it all, having it brought into more attention, it maybe opened some eyes that we all are able to learn from mistakes, intentional or not. This gives us a chance to see that when someone is wounded, they reach out rather oddly, but it is still reaching out.

Opinions will always differentiate from one person to the next and not everyone will see eye to eye, but should anyone feel hurt, threatened or picked on, please let the person know that it hurt, or let us know and we will privately try to get to the bottom of it.

We at UMS want a forum to enjoy, that perhaps may lead into one feeling like was are all one large family. I certainly hope we have acheived that for the most part.

Love and Light





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instinctual
Posted 10/3/2008 2:22 PM (#10745 - in reply to #10510)
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Hi Nefertiti and thank you for your input and attention. Your points are well taken. Speaking for myself, I have attempted to clarify posts with this member with no resolution. I felt even

further stepped on and patted on the head. I have also initiated PM's with some people about this particular person regarding my concerns and his behavior and it seems to me they were

either justified or explained to me... which lead me to believe that this was tolerated, which lead to...well...this, after alot of time and introspection! I also purposely stepped away from the

boards for a while, then realized I was missing out on an amazing experience which was a nice adjunct to my studies here....Perhaps I was not specific enough in private. I regret any

feelings that may have been hurt by making my ( many of our ) concerns into it's own thread. What I do not regret is the reminder that - "everybody hurts, sometimes". Our pain and our

reactions to pain- hurt others. We have a choice to either accept it, ignore it, or go into action mode. Some people are accepting of a situation causing self introspection. Some simply..are

not. There were no specific posts that this member made that were to be questioned. They were all of the same abrasive tone.

To paraphrase our own dear Christine in her recent e mail regarding another subject:

Sometimes there is a time for meditation and sometimes there is a time for action.

Thanks to all the moderator assistance and attention to this matter!
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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/3/2008 4:30 PM (#10762 - in reply to #10510)
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Interesting how we sometimes stop seeing things we need to see

the pattern becomes the norm

Edited by Paul Joseph 10/3/2008 4:31 PM
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Lightdancer
Posted 10/3/2008 6:37 PM (#10770 - in reply to #10510)
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Hello all, and thank you for the welcomes!

PJ, you are one of the nicest people I've met in cyberland, and you kept me in great company when it was very quiet here on the boards. Thank you for being a friend!

I am very glad this subject came up and was addressed. I am personally feeling now that it has been discussed to the point where it has served its purpose. I'm sure that the persons involved are using the sentiments here and taking time for healing, introspection and growth, or they would'nt be here, would they?

Love to you all!
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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/3/2008 7:05 PM (#10772 - in reply to #10770)
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How very nice of you Lightdancer, thank you so much. Did you see the recent posts on the 'What I love about you thread' yet ?

Blessings
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Lightdancer
Posted 10/3/2008 7:12 PM (#10773 - in reply to #10510)
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I'm going to head there now and check it out!
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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/3/2008 7:32 PM (#10779 - in reply to #10773)
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Phew ... it is 0030 here in the UK; it is wonderful to chat in something approaching real time but I fear I need to go to bed. I have logged off three times already tonight and come back to keep in touch; I think sufficient to this day is the logging on thereof !

Missing you till the next time

Love and Blessings

Paul
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Lightdancer
Posted 10/3/2008 7:36 PM (#10781 - in reply to #10510)
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Night-night, Paul!
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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/3/2008 7:37 PM (#10782 - in reply to #10781)
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