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Paul Joseph
Posted 9/20/2008 8:45 AM (#10314)
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Found this link, researching the road the King of Erin goes.

Thought others might find it of interest x

http://sacred-texts.com/index.htm
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NothingEverything
Posted 9/20/2008 12:12 PM (#10323 - in reply to #10314)
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That website is one of my main ones for research.

Éire go brách!
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Paul Joseph
Posted 9/20/2008 12:20 PM (#10324 - in reply to #10323)
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Then have you ever read, NE, The Path of the King, by John Buchan ? One of my 'the' books ....

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Posted 9/20/2008 12:23 PM (#10325 - in reply to #10314)
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Not yet, but I will now.
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Paul Joseph
Posted 9/20/2008 12:29 PM (#10328 - in reply to #10325)
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http://www.johnbuchansociety.co.uk/fiction/ftpotk.htm

this site says not to reproduce without permission, though it would not charge, on a late Saturday afternoon, I cannot get permission; so I will not cut and paste the overview - in any case, it does not quite do justice to the magic of the text, in my humble opinion ... just the first line of the Prologue, from my copy:

" The three of us in that winter camp in the Selkirks were talking the slow aimless talk of wearied men "

If you cannot get one anywhere let me know - i have a lending copy !

Namaste, Friends All xx
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NothingEverything
Posted 9/20/2008 12:41 PM (#10333 - in reply to #10314)
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found a free place.
http://www.questia.com/library/book/the-path-of-the-king-by-john-bu...
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Paul Joseph
Posted 9/20/2008 12:45 PM (#10334 - in reply to #10333)
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Ahh .. then please let me know what you make of it .. nice to make the connection

well, more than nice actually

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NothingEverything
Posted 9/20/2008 1:42 PM (#10351 - in reply to #10314)
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well, turns out that wasnt a free place, it ask you to create a log in after so much reading...
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Posted 9/20/2008 4:05 PM (#10356 - in reply to #10314)
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That has for a long time been my fav. research site, Paul. From before my UMS days. I actually have many of the books in print, but go to the site often to read more. My favorite authors are Israel Regardie, Manly P. Hall (Secret Teachings of All Ages is a great reference book) , and of course some others whose names escape me momentarily. :] K.
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mruppert
Posted 9/24/2008 12:32 AM (#10389 - in reply to #10314)
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Hey PJay:
     I gotta John Buchan "Prester John" 1952 Pan Books, London.....unfortunately it is suffering with age as it is a "paperback". Nobody realizes that he wrote "The Thirty Nine Steps" that set  ole Lord Alfred Hitchcock on the road to being famous. But it was Robert Bloch(sp?), can't find the book either, and my B's fiction section is not that massive....that gave us Hitchcock's greatest, "Psycho".....which I think is pushed a lot as first by "The Birds" which is truly his second greatest movie. That is as far as suspense and horror go. 
     For the ladies in our audience, believe me, Hitchcock's greatest, ultimate, movie was Rebecca....almost word for word the Daphne DuMaurier novel. It is a story of love, ghosts, hope, revelation, and redemption. When the bride and Max are in the boathouse, and she is tearfully imploring Max not to abandon her as she knows how much he loved Rebecca....and he says "Loved her (pause...background sound...music comes up), I HATED her!" Then, you see TRUE love.
     Go on and watch the movie.....UMS have a movie fest......all of you will love the movie because it is so steeped in mysticism....maybe do it all at the same time and say "Last night I dreamt I went to Manderley again" at the same time....and you all will be transported to Manderley.
     Then you can come back and tell me how time is just the now and nothing else matters. You can tell me that there is not a past, present and future...and that all is meaningless, unless it is you, now, here!
      Do not fall into the ideals of todays society, whether it be secular, politic, or spiritual. Look back into the past and see..."let he who has eyes see". Afterall, time is on your side....and my side...and all sides!

Preaching Peace, a most unusual role, Luckylee, Poppyhead, Sissygirl and the human, Marty
 
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Paul Joseph
Posted 9/24/2008 6:03 PM (#10411 - in reply to #10389)
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Dear Marty:

"If thou hast a woe, tell it not to the weakling

tell it to thy saddle bow

and ride forth

singing"

(from: The Proverbs of Alfred, quoted in Sick Heart River, by John Buchan (1941), the final book he wrote before his death, which in itself concerns a lawyer, Sir Edward Leithen who, being diagnosed with cancer, settles his affairs and casts his lot with a doomed Native Canadian peoples in their quest to preserve their tribe)

Check out also his

The Dancing Floor,

The Blanket of the Dark

... and his poem I posted much earlier in these discourses, from his book, Poems: Scots and English, "Wood Magic" -repeatable upon request !!)
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mruppert
Posted 9/25/2008 11:44 PM (#10427 - in reply to #10314)
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WOW!
     Hey Peejay...if I,  on my first trip,  can ever get out of Hanham, Bristol I'd love to have a pint or two or more with ya.
You know, I have no desire to see London, but I will definitely see Bath. But, dammit, I want to go to Treadwells, as they have sent me info for many years.
      What makes it all worthwhile, is that I would be with my true twin....see another post that somebody started.....the person who is exactly me.....the only, and most significant difference is that she can HEAL, naturally, and no matter what in the world I may try to do, I cannot and never will be able to heal as she.
       Stuff to freak people out.....I am born on 9/10 and there is a radio/tv/interent  article that the oldest person alive is, I think  it was 115, in Portugal,  born on 9/10. We are both Virgos. My beloved Isis was 9/18, a Virgo. My sweatheart in college was 8/23, a Virgo!   Sure.....it was a cusp...but still a Virgo. My healer is 9/17, a Virgo! All of my cats are born in sometime between the end of August and mid September so that makes them...VIRGO!
      To say I am not a superstitious person is true, but I am also very much aware of the coincidences concerning my star sign.
      Isis and I probably had the greatest psychic experience, but 9/17 (I shall not name her, as some know her from this site) is, indeed, a healer. Par excellance!!!!!! And that is why I admire her!!!
      See the new thread "Tolerance"

Peace and Much Love,
Marty and the furrypersons, Luck, Popp and Siss
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Paul Joseph
Posted 9/26/2008 7:14 AM (#10432 - in reply to #10427)
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Thanks Marty ... noted Rose's thread ,,, will look for Tolerance

...I shall hold you to that drink !!

And introduce you to Watkins Bookshop, nearby ... though they are not quite as friendly as I found Treadwell's to be, visiting after your recommendation !

I resonate that, finding one's soul friend, can disrupt one's routine considerably

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Josh Cragle
Posted 10/1/2008 6:09 AM (#10574 - in reply to #10314)
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This site is great, thanks.
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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/1/2008 12:21 PM (#10593 - in reply to #10574)
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great thanks yourself Josh
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Louise
Posted 10/1/2008 8:30 PM (#10620 - in reply to #10314)
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Hi Marty - I can't help but look at birthdates - I find them fascinating. You were born on the 10th, like me! This reduces to the 1 - the number of new ideas, breaking ground, leadership and individuality - the 1 is of literature and writing. The 9 demonstrates your journey of wisdom, integrity, and letting things go. My Life Path is a 9 so we have both numbers in common - its a number of completion, and the challenge of the fall of the ego (the 9 period can be seen as the dark soul of the night). For you, this 9 influence will have been especially strong in your first 30 years. The person with the 1 as their day of birth (10 reduces to 1) will be under this fluence in the middle part of their life. The last phase of your life is determined by the sum of your year. Hope you don't mind me sharing on the forum!
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NothingEverything
Posted 10/1/2008 9:58 PM (#10622 - in reply to #10314)
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4/29, do mine please, im excited.
its also the first day of golden week in japan and all the sakura are falling.
i always forget its my birthday because the scenery is so beautiful.
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Posted 10/1/2008 11:17 PM (#10624 - in reply to #10622)
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Hi NE - well the day of birth which shows your particular talent is an 11/2 (29 reduces to an 11, and then a 2). The 11 is the master number of the intuition. The double 1 energy shows the vision and inspiration is double-fold - the two 1's (11) acting as a gateway to the higher consciousness. Interesting you share the photo of the trees - 11/2's have a challenge to be strong oak trees and flexible willows. You have potential to receive powerful insights from the universe - yet we can't forget the 2 - the 2 shape is like a person kneeling in prayer position - sensitive and humble - diplomacy and co-operation. This number will also be influence during the middle segment on your life. The 4 is your month, in play in the first segment of your life - building foundation, structure, issues of service and security, systems, process, reliability - with the 2 and the 4, you have some very grounded numbers which can be used to channel your inspiration (11/2) into something real and tangible. Add up all the numbers of your date of birth to reveal your overall journey and path (Life Path). Here is a very simple guide to the numbers 1 through 9:

1 - Inspiration, new ideas, leadership - challenge is learning interdependence and finding confidence in true self
2 - Peace, partnership, co-operation, diplomancy, sensitivity - challenge is speaking your personal truth, using negotiation for bringing peace
3 - Joy, expression, creativity - challenge is to find personal creative expression and radiate it to bring joy to others
4 - grounded, practical, stable, organised - learn to live with restriction of the physical form and be open to change
5 - change, diversity, social, communication - challenge is to find focus and boundary
6 - love, beauty & harmony, service and healing - challenge is to love oneself first and be your own best friend
7 - trust and trust, knowledge and research, mystery & magic - challenge is to find faith, self trust and self truth
8 - manifesting abundance, power, balance - challenge is to balance heaven with earth, heart and mind
9 - wisdom, integrity, completion, love for all of mankind - challenge is to be forgiving, loving and accepting - let Go & Let God

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Posted 10/1/2008 11:19 PM (#10625 - in reply to #10314)
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including the year?
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Posted 10/1/2008 11:25 PM (#10626 - in reply to #10625)
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yes! Add 4 + 2 + 19?? - for your own info, first add the year up on its own first, as this number gives you the theme of the final 3rd of your life - then add the 4 and the 2 (resulting from the 29/11/2) to give you a total number Reduce it down to a single number.
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Posted 10/1/2008 11:38 PM (#10627 - in reply to #10314)
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haha, ok 1981 is what then, im sorry!
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Posted 10/1/2008 11:50 PM (#10628 - in reply to #10627)
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no problem ) Your Life Path is a 7 - the quest for truth and knowledge - the 7 in its traditional form with the bar across the centre reflects the archetype of the wiseman with a lantern, lighting the way. The 7 is sometimes referred to as a spiritual number because the search for truth can lead us to the metaphysical realm - but not always. I know 7's that are rational, logical and intelligent - using the mind as a tool for their personal truth and trust.

so with a date of birth 29/4/1981

your month is 4
your day is 11/2 (2 + 9 = 11, 1 + 1 = 2) we retain the 11, to remember its potential
your year is 1 (1 + 9 + 8 + 1)
Add them all together 4 + 2 + 1 = 7

these are the three cycles (themes) during your opening, middle and final segments of your life. You'll transition into the 11 influence in a couple of years. your day of birth 11/2 also shows a particular talent - peace, negotation etc. Final part of your life has a theme of a 1.
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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/2/2008 4:11 AM (#10637 - in reply to #10622)
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Lovely photo NE
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Posted 10/2/2008 9:00 AM (#10648 - in reply to #10314)
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Thank you so much Louise!!
and thank you Paul!
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Posted 10/2/2008 3:11 PM (#10668 - in reply to #10648)
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You are most very welcome NE!! I hope you found some reflections!
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Posted 10/2/2008 3:34 PM (#10670 - in reply to #10314)
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"Found this link, researching the road the King of Erin goes. Thought others might find it of interest x

http://sacred-texts.com/index.htm

By Paul Joseph."

Sure did Paul,

Only that sacred stuff according to my mind saying is like walking into a museum and watching dead things whose reality lives elsewhere…

 

“Those are Artifacts dummy!”… So sorry, forgot again.

Bless you anyways Paul, don’t Mind me.'

x'
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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/2/2008 4:08 PM (#10677 - in reply to #10670)
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Danjuammai - quite so; this really needs a long night time conversation in the long night of winter .... but I agree, in part, and indeed, would say that the only sanctity is the sanctity of the present moment; yet the past is a gift to us, as are the dreams of the present and the potentials of the future. We take what we can and what we want. We ignore at our peril.

But I value very highly your responses, thank you.

See you at the Gates of Dawn
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Posted 10/2/2008 8:19 PM (#10688 - in reply to #10620)
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Hello Louise...thank you; that was very kind of you to do for me, in more ways than you know! 


Sincerely,
Marty and Cats
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Posted 10/2/2008 8:58 PM (#10691 - in reply to #10688)
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Posted 10/3/2008 3:55 AM (#10699 - in reply to #10691)
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Moved this over here from wherever it was before, as it is a sacred text ... thanks for Psalm 23 Tracy ... how could I have forgoten that one ... well it was late last night and I have a cold .. that's my excuse ... Ha ha .. and here is the other one I was thinking of, Psalm 91, which is the one said at Jewish funerals. i find it very powerful. Love & Blessings All:

The Holy Bible: King James Version. 2000.
The Psalms
91 [adapted slightly by me to render it gender neutral !]

Abiding in the Shadow of the Almighty

1 You that dwelleth in the shelter of the Most High
who abide under the shadow of the Almighty.


2 will say to the LORD,
' my refuge and my fortress:
my God; in whom I trust.


3 The Lord shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler,
and from the noisome pestilence.


4 Shall cover thee with feathers,
and under those wings shalt thou trust:
Truth shall be thy shield and buckler.


5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night;
nor for the arrow that flieth by day;


6 nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness;
nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.


7 A thousand shall fall at thy side,
and ten thousand at thy right hand;
but it shall not come nigh thee.


8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold
and see the reward of the wicked.


9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge,
even the Most High, thy habitation;


10 there shall no evil befall thee,
neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.


11 For the Lord shall provide angels for charge over thee,
to keep thee in all thy ways.


12 They shall bear thee up in their hands,
lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.


13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder:
the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.


14 Those who love me, I will deliver;
I will protect those who know my name

15 When they call upon me, I will answer them:
I will be with them in trouble;
I will deliver them, and honor them.


16 With long life will I satisfy them,
and show them my salvation





http://www.bartleby.com/108/19/91.html




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Posted 10/3/2008 3:53 PM (#10754 - in reply to #10314)
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Bless you the more Paul. The last chapter of the holy book of the Muslims, The Glorious Qur'an (114) has this to say:

“Say I seek refuge from the Lord of Humanity;

The Possessor of Mankind; the Lord of Mankind;

From the Evil of the Whisperer;

That which spreads mischief (in the chest of) mankind;

(Whisperers) from among Jinns and Mankind.”

Apologies for the off-head translation. It is meant for exactitude and not to interpret, for who is man/woman, however close, to interpret God?



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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/3/2008 4:08 PM (#10755 - in reply to #10754)
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Well then dear Danjummai -

the blessings of a holy man are to be more esteemed than gold

and who cares about translation ?

The heart has its (our) own Voice

Blessings, Friend, if I may call you that x
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Posted 10/5/2008 4:40 PM (#10831 - in reply to #10314)
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"Blessings, Friend, if I may call you that x"

Friend + Enemy = ?

Friend - Enemy = ?

Friend + Friend = ?

Love Eternal!

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Paul Joseph
Posted 10/6/2008 3:57 AM (#10833 - in reply to #10831)
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The Golden Verses of Pythagoras ?
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Posted 10/6/2008 4:20 PM (#10845 - in reply to #10314)
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"The Golden Verses of Pythagoras ?"

Don't know...

May be 1, 000 years beyond...

Have no head 4 maths...

Love Eternal!



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Posted 10/6/2008 4:35 PM (#10848 - in reply to #10845)
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Neither do I; you seemed to be into equations , so I made a link to what is more natural to me:

Every Thursday night when I was at grammar school (secondary) I would be in tears because we had a bully of a maths teacher who seemed to be trying to teach us geometry and trigonometry, in preparation for our lesson last thing Friday afternoon: instead, he just was trying to impose his superiority on our absence of knowledge.

Years later, I discovered that maths is equal = spirituality and I wondered back, if he had taught in that way, instead of with the stick, the threat and abrasiveness, I might have better understood.

Pythagoras was a mystic: the Golden Verses are his dreams

Blessings, Boyo !

& Goodnight from the Uk ...



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Posted 10/7/2008 11:30 AM (#10863 - in reply to #10314)
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Granting that you and I argue. If you beat me, and not I you, are you necessarily right and I wrong? Or if I beat you and not you me, am I necessarily right and you wrong? Or are we both partly right and partly wrong? Or are we both wholly right or wholly wrong? You and I cannot know this, and consequently the world will be in ignorance of the truth.
Who shall I employ as arbiter between us? If I employ some one who takes your view, he will side with you. How can such a one arbitrate between us? If I employ some one who takes my view, he will side with me. How can such a one arbitrate between us? And if I employ some one who either differs from or agrees with both of us, he will be equally unable to decide between us. Since then you, and I, and man, cannot decide, must we not depend upon Another? Such dependence is as though it were not dependence. We are embraced in the obliterating unity of Tao.
- Chuang Tzu

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Posted 10/7/2008 3:41 PM (#10865 - in reply to #10314)
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"Pythagoras was a mystic: the Golden Verses are his dreams Blessings, Boyo ! & Goodnight from the Uk ..."

It is ineresting to know that P was a M and that his Vs are his Ds. This according to my mind saying is: 16 = 13 and 22+19 = 4+19. Don't mind me Fathero. My mind always churns out this kind of weired mystical stuff and I am no mystic... could be from my fancy for numbers without being a mathematician...got tired of being anything but me which I (9) am yet to pathom? So what does this mean? Simple: Nothing, O = 15! Everything is said to have been numbered. Don't know how true. You seem to know better.

Good night from UK-of-the-mind Paul. It's raining here in Nigeria even as it is October, the Tenth Month of the year. Climate change...

Peace!

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Posted 10/7/2008 3:50 PM (#10866 - in reply to #10865)
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NE- that was magical

D - so is that (I address you as you are online) ... but I am wounded by your 'you seem to know better' .... do I come across as feigning superiority ? Then please accept my apologies and regrets, as that is only a feint ....

[There are those 21 guests again .. who on earth, or elsewhere are you ? ... Please do make yourselves known for future friendships ! ]

Ah - back to my friend Danjummai .... numbers is, or are, Louise's thing. I believe myself merely to be a vehicle - even perchance a water-bearer. Sorry if I come across as claiming something other

'boyo' is a friendly Celtic greeting, one friend to another

If you check back through my other posts you may see that I would emphasize my lack of knowledge. Its absence. Nothing-ness.




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Posted 11/1/2008 12:58 PM (#11926 - in reply to #10314)
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Vance - here is an interesting thread on texts, of one or another !
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Posted 11/1/2008 1:35 PM (#11930 - in reply to #10314)
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Tossing this out there...

What ( or who ) declares a text as sacred? Does the annointing of a text as sacred stem strictly from a historical point of view?

Thoughts?

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Posted 11/1/2008 1:51 PM (#11932 - in reply to #10314)
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ouch Lori, Holy Beginnings ... since I started this thread, should I know ? It started 'cos I was taken with the John Buchan novel The Path of the King, which, when explored, leads one to the fact that JB (Buchan not Bond) was fascinated by the story of the The Road the King of Erin goes - which became my location for a time .... so I Googled, and got the Sacred Threads (doh! not threads, Texts!) site ... I don;t have my etymological dictionary to hand, so would need to research 'sacred' , but the answer to your question is, I suspect, what 'posterity' deems to be sacred, becomes sacred, though much of posterity handed to us, relies on religious 'hand-me-downs', rather than ;direct experience', since direct experience seems to need to be mediated or 'triangulated' by 'authorities', else it is 'mere' 'wild' speculation ... but that's just a very quick, off the cuff response ... i think your great question deserves further research ....
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Posted 11/1/2008 1:59 PM (#11937 - in reply to #10314)
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Oh no, ouchies!

Thanks as always Paulo for your knowledge and introspection. That is just one of the questions that were always tossing around in my skull...and I thought this was a good place to toss it out for public musings

I feel inspired to go to the library. Sadly, although Tucson has probably 20 branches of their public libraries, there is nothing substantial about them...I wonder if the U of A down the road allows for public access?

Why am I asking so many questions today? ahaha!

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Posted 11/1/2008 2:02 PM (#11940 - in reply to #11937)
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Just another quick off the cuff, before I go the books -

Sacred - sacral - sac (?)

Sacre Couer (sacred heart) ... sacrosanct ... that which is Holy
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Posted 11/1/2008 5:32 PM (#11948 - in reply to #10314)
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This is fun because it again causes one to take out their wordsmith tools!

According to Online Etymology Dictionary:

"Sacred"-c.1300, from pp. of obs. verb sacren "to make holy" (c.1225), from O.Fr. sacrer (12c.), from L. sacrare "to make sacred, consecrate," from sacer (gen. sacri) "sacred, dedicated, holy, accursed," from O.L. saceres, which Tucker connects to base *saq- "bind, restrict, enclose, protect," explaining that "words for both 'oath' & 'curse' are regularly words of 'binding.' " But Buck merely groups it with Oscan sakrim, Umbrian sacra and calls it "a distinctive Italic group, without any clear outside connections." Nasalized form is sancire "make sacred, confirm, ratify, ordain." Sacred cow "object of Hindu veneration," is from 1891; fig. sense is first recorded 1910, from Western views of Hinduism.

So, I suppose my point is, or maybe I should have reworded it - Who is qualified to deem something sacred? I think maybe I answered my own question, and the answer would be..we are all qualified.

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Vance
Posted 11/1/2008 6:18 PM (#11949 - in reply to #11926)
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Thank for the gracious invitation to add to the thread, Paul.

There is an old "sacred text" called, "The Emerald Tablets of Thoth". It is an interesting read.

http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald.html

Man is in process of changing
to forms that are not of this world.
Grows he is time to the formless,
a plane on the cycle above.
Know ye, ye must become formless before ye are with the LIGHT

Know, O man, that Light is thine heritage.
Know that darkness is only a veil.
Sealed in thine heart is brightness eternal,
waiting the moment of freedom to conquer,
waiting to rend the veil of the night.


side note: interesting imagery but the idealist in me believes that the "formless" and Light are within the form and not without it -- Balanced Interpenetration.

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Posted 11/1/2008 6:38 PM (#11950 - in reply to #11930)
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instinctual - 11/1/2008 1:35 PM

Tossing this out there...

What ( or who ) declares a text as sacred? Does the annointing of a text as sacred stem strictly from a historical point of view?

Thoughts?

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Any idea that attempts to communicate the experience of the Divine is sacred, right?

Who says what is "officially sacred"? Wow . . . that can be open to debate. Paul definitely hit the socio-political forces. There is always a grouping of thinkers that puts their "mark of approval" on something. But I will always say that what is sacred is what moves you to an state of inspiration and intuiting the vision for yourself.
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Paul Joseph
Posted 11/2/2008 4:54 AM (#11960 - in reply to #11950)
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Fascinating images here alright .... takes me back also to the sacred 'non-text' of

The Flower Sermon (previously referenced by NE & me, location in the vaults somewhere!)

Thinking too that Jesus and I think also, Buddha, did not themselves write anything down

Goes too perhaps to what was said before about, when the pupil is ready, the teacher appears



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instinctual
Posted 11/2/2008 9:08 AM (#11967 - in reply to #10314)
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Hello all...

Yes indeedy Paulo addressed those aspects, I agree.

I especially feel agreeable to the thought that sacred anything can be handed down from generations. I have a Hungarian family cookbook that was published, written by my mother's family - that is sacred! May not be sacred on any large scale historical level, but it is sacred to me!

Yes Vance-O, I think this can be open for debate, and that is why I posed the question

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Louise
Posted 11/2/2008 3:20 PM (#11971 - in reply to #10314)
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My thoughts backed up with no evidence whatsoever

if
sacred = holy
then
holy = the intent to heal
a holy relationship being two persons joined in this intent
a holy document being the writings with an intent to heal
healing being the return to our true source

??...?
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Paul Joseph
Posted 11/2/2008 4:24 PM (#11972 - in reply to #11971)
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Wise words as ever Louise

I would only slightly play more with, 'intention' or, the idea that the wish to convey Divity is ipso facto sacred, 'cos for me the indications are that we must first aspire to purity of heart, or even, purity of self - since without that, our intention or our wish could become distorted, as in, eg, the Holy Inquisition that burnt the bodies of heretics because the intention was to send their souls more quickly for 'God's' 'judgement'.

Sanctity for me, embodies humility. Hence my interest in the Via Negativa. The emptiness of self, the fullness of Self.

The handing down through generations is exactly the thread in The Path of the King and also, the Road the King of Erin goes, interestingly ...

Love you lots




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Louise
Posted 11/2/2008 4:43 PM (#11976 - in reply to #10314)
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hmm, yes a very interesting question indeed...

So does this come down to our perception of what is healing and what is not, and the original question of what is sacred and what is not? If my soul has the intent to grow and evolve and believes that my intention to liberate myself and/or others, in the eyes of others causes persecution, have I still not achieved soul growth? I am playing with ideas here...How do we judge good or bad holy intent?

A Course In Miracles has been condemned by some as the work of an anti-christ and is not sacred. Is my intent to heal through the words of ACIM, a persecution in the eyes of others? In my work as a numerologist, in an intent to heal, a work of illusion and magic in the eyes of others?

Perhaps at a deeper level we are all healing through the journey of soul growth, regardless of whether our actions in human perception are good or evil. Can we begin to rationally answer the question of what is sacred or holy? Is it a group or majority consensus that achieves what is sacred? Is the Bible sacred (or any other Holy Book) or is it the numbers of people that believe it is that make it so? Our individual soul perception may define different things as sacred - one mans trash being another mans treasure...

Hmm..this has got the brain cells going for sure! I have no fixed views! Welcome your thoughts as always...
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Posted 11/2/2008 5:27 PM (#11978 - in reply to #10314)
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Yes indeedy, Lovely Weezie...one can approach from many different angles for sure. It sort of leads to a child like question ( mind you, a distinct difference between the

former... and 'childish' which can be a completely different thread- and as per my previous post about the genuine wonder of children ) Who makes it so? If an

archeologist, for example, discovers an ancient tomb, through a scientific process it is declared as significant. Why? If I litter and toss the cap of a bottle into my back

yard and it is exhumed in 1000 years, will a bunch of scientific types declare a deep seeded and massive judgement about me...or will they deem me simply as a soda

drinking slob, when that is what it should really boil down to?

My husband is a scientist. I am like, so not. You should be a fly on the wall after a few glasses of wine at the dinner table. Ha Ha Ha!!! Am I showing blatent ignorance

here?

Perhaps! But that is ok too. This may also boil down to, very basically a secular versus a non-secular education and or point of view.
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Posted 11/2/2008 6:31 PM (#11981 - in reply to #10314)
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Hey Lori - I don't think you are being ignorant at all - I feel there is a lot of wisdom through your words. Having read through I don't believe this is an intellectual debate (well it could be but I don't think an answer lies there). I believe that we are being reminded that our entire world and everything in it is pure perception. Every physical thing is a creation with varying intents behind them - does it matter whether the ones I find sacred are different to yours? Perhaps the only thing that is sacred is our coming together to explore the nature of what is sacred.

Hail Soda Bottle Tops!!! Glory to the Soda Manufacturer )

Is our union more or less sacred because others may perceive that our discussion is either wise or ignorant? I think not!

xx

Please note that this post does not condone the use of soda in ones attempt to reach enlightenment. Please do so at your own risk )
Must go, clearly in a silly distracted mood and have some very important wisdom to impart in ones writings...farewell until next time.

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Paul Joseph
Posted 11/3/2008 4:22 AM (#11986 - in reply to #11981)
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Certainly I don't think this is a 'mere' intellectual debate - I fel it is critical to the spiritual journey ... I am reminded again of Jesus', 'Be ye as little children'. I also think ACIM is great - certainly not the work of the Anti-Christ (!)

Kierkegaard wrote a whole book, on "Purity of heart is to will one thing" ... Lori & Louise I think what you both said is spot on too ..

there is that Hopi sayin I remembered after posting last time, "With right intention, anything is possible" ... it is discovering what that is, where some of the Work is involved perhaps ! The Beatles's last word:

"All you need is Love"

(ah me, but then, what is Love ...? Another thread perhaps ! ha ha ..x x)
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Posted 11/3/2008 6:09 AM (#11989 - in reply to #11986)
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Reading your post again Louise, loved the last line, about coming together in the search for the sacred being what is sacred

& Lori, I embrace my ignorance in the foolishness of God/Good/the Source/the Higher Power !

Interesting, perhaps, after posting the above came upon Psalm 131 from the Old Testament:


Psalm 131
A song of ascents. Of David.
1 My heart is not proud, O LORD,
my eyes are not haughty;
I do not concern myself with great matters
or things too wonderful for me.
2 But I have stilled and quieted my soul;
like a weaned child with its mother,
like a weaned child is my soul within me.

3 O Israel, put your hope in the LORD
both now and forevermore.






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Paul Joseph
Posted 11/3/2008 7:06 AM (#11991 - in reply to #11989)
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Holy soda bottle tops too Lori ....

Louise - for your walks on the beach ... are you familiar with this track ... not sure how sacred it is, but ..

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6X0FjlybCqs

I guess we are all, each of us, sacred texts in the Book of Life ....

all songs, waiting to be sung, learned off by heart, remembered fondly, reincarnated with each dream ...

and I too have this sense that the joint enterprise of collaborating on this Board/Site contributes to universal sacred healing

... as I am typing my mind associated to this other great track by Nick Drake (heard of him?), which also has in it a reference to finding 'shores' ... love Nick Drake; he appears to be have been a very troubled soul

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=t5HsQsmJsRY

..and after posting the above about seas and seashores, etc , Hallowe'en's Poem of the Day ... serendipity indeed lives, remarkably so .... :

Ocean Oneness

Posted: 31 Oct 2008 04:14 PM CDT

Silence is round me, wideness ineffable;
White birds on the ocean diving and wandering;
A soundless sea on a voiceless heaven,
Azure on azure, is mutely gazing.

Identified with silence and boundlessness
My spirit widens clasping the universe
Till all that seemed becomes the Real,
One in a mighty and single vastness.

Someone broods there nameless and bodiless,
Conscious and lonely, deathless and infinite,
And, sole in a still eternal rapture,
Gathers all things to his heart for ever.

By: Sri Aurobindo

from Poem of the Day




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instinctual
Posted 11/3/2008 10:10 AM (#11995 - in reply to #10314)
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Wow, this thread is totally threading, man! haha! I love it and love you all.

I don't drink soda, coincidentally. Made me realize that! Coffee, water and wine. How boring! If I threw a wine cork into my yard and it was exhumed in a thousand years, would "they (whoever the hell 'they' are) determine that I was a drunk, or would they determine that in 2008 a species or tribe of people lived in northeast Tucson who were litterers? Or drunken litterers? Would it be hailed that wine corks created the beautiful gardens? Would they even give credit to the coffee grinds in the mulch?

Sometimes I like being ignorant....is it blissful? Perhaps. It definitely indicates an acknowledgement of the state of "not knowing". And for that I embrace my ignorance. Life is so much more peaceful when you don't put yourself in a postion where you have to be an expert. Ugh!

Louise, you run deeply beautiful and beautiful deep. I love your disclaimer! Soda drinking may not help light your way to enlightment, but it will sure expidite your path to the dentist! xx ! Paulo, well..what can I say...your paw is always warm and outreaching.

Love,
Loribaby
;)

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Paul Joseph
Posted 11/3/2008 3:30 PM (#12021 - in reply to #11995)
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You too are lovely , holy Loribaby ... I must just say this, and I had no intention of this when I first mentioned Buchan's, The Path of the King - and I am sorry to go on about it ! - but it did occur to me tonight to say, as i was watching your election shennanigans (?!) ... that Buchan's small book that encompasses 1,000 years of fictional destiny concludes with Abraham Lincoln finding his (destiny)
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