I'm looking for help in understanding the difference betwn Spirit & Soul, or is there a difference?
I know I've read in different places that they do differ, but I have a hard time retaining info unless I have a very direct relationship w/it & not being in any way religious I've had a question about this for a very long time.
Posted 4/11/2006 8:24 PM (#353 - in reply to #352) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
Great question! It is one I have meditated on for a long time. I certianly don't know the answer but I will share an interesting perspective on this question offered by the teachers in the Yoga tradition. In this system Spirit is defined as the One consciousness that pervades everthing manifest and exists in an unmanifest state as well. A soul is then described as part of Spirit that identifies with a body/mind personality. We as humans who generally think we are just a body/mind are considered souls. Those great beings that have realized that they don't exist as a seperate being, but in reality are Spirit are no longer considered a soul for they have no awareness of individuality. In summary a soul is considered a being that is ignorant of their true nature, while Spirit is the consciousness that realizes all is One. I hope this is helpful. Certainly ideas such as these are interesting, however experiential knowledge, to me, seems to be true knowledge. Blessings on your search for truth.
Posted 4/12/2006 9:32 PM (#354 - in reply to #353) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
Thank you ormus -
That makes sense, in terms of when a misdeed is done against one, possibly the soul could be adversely affected when a soul is considered "a being that is ignorant of their true nature, while Spirit is the consciousness that realizes all is One" would not be affected because of the nature of Spirit.
Anybody else have thoughts or knowledge of this?
Posted 4/14/2006 12:54 PM (#356 - in reply to #352) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
Funny, I was wondering about Spirit lately too. You know how people talk about the spirit of a thing, or an idea, or a gathering as being the very essence of it? I was wondering if Spirit translates into the unmanifest stuff of the Universe that is the creative stuff that we make manifest. Thought or idea precedes form. I think "soul" is about the deep sense of unique individuality that each of us possess, more basic than personality or character, that is the source and cause of our desires and dreams. Maybe it is the part of us that reincarnates?
Posted 5/22/2006 11:33 AM (#421 - in reply to #352) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
It seems to me that what confuses many of us are the terms themselves, spirit and soul. Our soul is, at least in human terms, our Spiritual being or essence. Our spirit, again in human trems, is a melding or blending, of both our spiritual and human elements. Peace.
Posted 6/4/2006 1:17 PM (#484 - in reply to #352) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
Location: Northern Utah, USA
I have understood "spirit" to be the eternal part of us that comes from the creator and will return to such in a state of oneness one day. "soul" I understand to be our mind and personality... This is only my oppinion, and my current truth...
Posted 6/4/2006 10:54 PM (#489 - in reply to #352) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
Location: Maximum Overdrive
I would invite you to read Renee A. Levi's doctoral dissertation "Group Magic: An Inquiry into Experiences and Collective Resonance" and really read "between" the lines. What is she really saying? I gather that she has identified a collective "spirit" amd a collective "soul." Then, take a flight of fancy and read the books (the guys name escapes me at the moment, but started with The Celestine Prophecy, and I think went to The Tenth Principle) . Don't we all reach the same conclusions?
Regards to all,
Posted 9/17/2006 1:09 AM (#899 - in reply to #352) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
For the most part the ones who spoke before me are right about the soul and the spirit. Let me help you with giving you the place that the Soul and Spirit exist so that you can Imagine them.
It has alot to do with what happens to you when you die. People who are Nostalgic, Obsessed, or in extream emotional agony over the current life when passing will still die none the less. However they will have a very dence (Not nearly as dence as the Physical body) Energy body known as the "Etheric Body". These Etherians are called "ghost" & will be stuck close to the world they can not leave until they learn to leave it behind.
When the dead can forget this life and move on they will go the the "Astral Plane". In this lighter demention you can be in the lower more dense dimention (hell for Evil) or the higher more inner demention (Materialistic). It is here they you will be in the "Astral Body" or the "Soul" which is made up of the Elements of Fire and Water. While still alive the unbalence energy of the "Soul" menifest as Personality traits. Once you learn to be "Enlightened" then the soul becomes ballenced & Reincarnation is no longer required. The Soul is more dence then the Spirit.
The Spirit is your Pure Essence that you share with everyone. The Creator, First cause, god, is pure Spirit not attacted to any bodies to individualize itself. When you asend to only Mind and Spirit it is said that you will be on the great Cosmic plane closer to the "beginning" of it all. One of the lightest planes of all. Spirit is Consciousness and Pure unconditional love and not a human individual body like the Soul is (which you are solid in these higher dementions as long as your in a soul body) & the Mind is the Seeing, watcher, Creative Imagination aspect.
So acording to my Knoledge from the Spiritual books I read its names giving to the diffrent levels that exist and who you are in them. The Soul is worn as a "Vessel" to explore the "Astral" plane like the Physical Body is worn to explore & experience the Physical Plane. The Spirit being detached consciousness. Thank You all for reading my post I hope this clears some things up for you about the Multi-Dimentional Universe and what you like are at diffrent levels of vibration.
Brow of Calm
Posted 9/20/2006 11:36 AM (#910 - in reply to #352) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
I have understood that spirit can make an impression on the soul. The soul would then be something human and the spirit non-human.
Posted 9/22/2006 1:54 PM (#924 - in reply to #352) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
I've never heard a discussion of gender like this in regards to the soul, it makes sense though, especially if you look at how men have participated in world events, epsecially around the issue of Conquest. Thanks for posting this, it jogged my brain and remined me why I support women political candidates...
Posted 9/22/2006 8:20 PM (#926 - in reply to #352) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
hi -I am the new kid on the block so I do not intend to offend any one. But I have been thing about the question of Spirit/Soul all day and mediated on how I would answer a child -
For a lay person this is how I see this in general- no deep theological response ok? Actually it was my grandmother who gave this response when asked by me - For visual help, take a picture of the univers-like from the Hubble telescope- see the vastness, but also the colors, the stars, they all have a course, working in unison- our human soul is a minute part of this universe - we are all connected- now I don't have an answer as to how we get our soul- like a grain of sand on the beach, each one is individual, but part of the whole beach. When we become "human", the soul is wraped in the human body-which is spirit.
Sayings such as: "glad spirit", "a happy spirit" and a "sad spirit.or his spirit has been broken. Spirit is made up of ,feelings, emotions, touch, feel and intellect - Have you seen a child who responds more maturely, with insight. Grams would say the child is going within to connect with his soul - to gain wisdom, understanding and even strength to give the spirit and the body. I use the example of child, because until they are grown up, there is no baggage with them - we as adults need to be retaught to go within to reach what is and has always been within, the soul - have you looked for your "soul mate"? Your lookling for that connection within, ahh that is another thought - I thank you for letting me talk, Sunni
Posted 9/25/2006 10:29 AM (#942 - in reply to #926) Subject: Soul Mates
Location: United Kingdom
Your comment about soul mates seems to indicate that you have some insights into this. Why don’t you tell us a bit about them, maybe sharing some of your granny’s wisdom on this matter with us, as well as your own?
Posted 1/18/2009 8:42 AM (#13203 - in reply to #352) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
Location: United Kingdom
Dear Friends – I have just unearthed an interesting old thread, in which someone asked: ‘I'm looking for help in understanding the difference between Spirit & Soul, or is there a difference?’ To revive it and to get us going on another round of this discussion, here are a few of my observations on this theme:
As there seems to be much confusion about this, we shall take a closer look. The way I understand this life, each individual, every country, planet and world has its own soul; this in turn is part of the Great Soul, the Mother of all life. Because on the highest level of life all is one, every individual soul, that of our world and all worlds are evolving together. This confirms the truth of the saying: ‘What is done for one is done for all.’ As well as being the memory bank of all our experiences, soul is our feeling nature, the soft, sensitive, caring and nurturing feminine aspect of both genders. Soul grows and develops through the experiences of many lifetimes. As the feminine aspect of God is conscious in women, they are usually more in touch with the world of their feelings. Because this part is unconscious in men, it is much harder for them to get in touch with it.
I believe that we are in this earthly existence at this particular time to find a new understanding of the nature of God, as well as our own. For me, the best way of approaching this huge and delicate topic is with the help of astrology. Let’s start at the beginning. We were created in God’s image and everything that is in God is therefore also in us. The power aspect of God and us, women and men alike, is masculine; it expresses itself through Fire and Air. The Goddess is its feminine counterpart; she is the devotional, sensitive, feeling aspect of God and the soul of the whole of Creation. Through the feminine elements of Earth and Water, she yields to and shapes herself in response to the creative ideas and impulses she receives from the masculine aspects of Fire and Air. Fire represents the first spark of creation, the creative idea. It is transmitted through the Air element, a symbolism for the mental faculties of the Highest Mind; our own small earthly mind is an integral part of it.
Even God, and by that I mean its masculine aspect, cannot create anything on its own. God needs his Goddess as much as she needs him; the same is true for the feminine and the masculine parts of our nature. To create new worlds and populate them, God and Goddess on the highest levels of life lovingly work together in harmonious and peaceful co-operation, by silently responding to each other’s wishes. This creative principle applies to all levels of our world and all worlds. To bring into being the badly needed and desired new and peaceful world, each must make their own contribution and do their share of the healing work this requires. The first visible sign that this is happening in our world on the outer level of life is that the genders are beginning to recognise and respect their own and each other’s true value as beloved children of the Universe. It is necessary to accept and bring together all aspects of our nature, so they can learn to work together peacefully and harmoniously, the way they do in our Creator.
Posted 1/19/2009 6:40 AM (#13229 - in reply to #13205) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
Location: United Kingdom
Hmm ... i think I agree with everything said here ... interesting discussion topic .... I resonate most with what was said much earlier about soul being the individual self, and spirit representing our share i the Divine Self - but at these levels, feel too that speech, definitions and differentations become by-passed in the Divine, Cosmic Ocean of One-ness ... reminds me too of Martin Buber's meditations on 'I and Thou' ....
an afterthought: we have incarnated here for a purpose ... spirit, soul, flesh, emotions, mind and senses presumably all contribute to that purpose ... what is that ?
Posted 1/19/2009 6:57 AM (#13231 - in reply to #352) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
Location: United Kingdom
All those things have been given to us for wise purpose, namely to enable us to sense, feel, experience our world, so that through this we may grow in understanding of the Divine and also of ourselves - as individual sparks of It - trapped, if one might use that term - for a time in physicality.
Posted 3/3/2009 12:06 AM (#14014 - in reply to #352) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
imo: spirit is that which is immaterial and the immortal part of man...it is also the vehicle for the superconcious mind
i believe soul would be the vehicle for the subconcious mind soul and is where the thinker exists before physical incarnation and after physical incarnation...it is the storehouse of of permanant understandings gained in the present lifetime or gleaned from prior existances. To the unaware, connection with the soul often comes in the form of consious, the inner sense of what is right or intuition the direct grasp of truth.
Posted 5/25/2009 8:12 PM (#14963 - in reply to #352) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Has anyone here read about or heard of the Urantia Book?
I like a variety of sources, but this one is definitely intriguing and makes you think. =D
Here's the take for the separations of soul/spirit/body/mind as the book states. (by the way it's free to read online so I dont think they mind if I post it here! Also Urantia refers to the name given to Earth by the other beings watching over us, so Urantian refers to us!)
These qualities of universal reality are manifest in Urantian human experience on the following levels:
1. Body. The material or physical organism of man. The living electrochemical mechanism of animal nature and origin.
2. Mind. The thinking, perceiving, and feeling mechanism of the human organism. The total conscious and unconscious experience. The intelligence associated with the emotional life reaching upward through worship and wisdom to the spirit level.
3. Spirit. The divine spirit that indwells the mind of man--the Thought Adjuster. This immortal spirit is prepersonal--not a personality, though destined to become a part of the personality of the surviving mortal creature.
4. Soul. The soul of man is an experiential acquirement. As a mortal creature chooses to "do the will of the Father in heaven," so the indwelling spirit becomes the father of a new reality in human experience. The mortal and material mind is the mother of this same emerging reality. The substance of this new reality is neither material nor spiritual--it is morontial. This is the emerging
PS: Thought Adjuster, if you're not familiar with the term, refers to the actual connection in us and the One Source, like the feeling of intuition...like an autopilot inside ourselves, like us being the airplane flying through life.
Posted 6/1/2009 10:03 PM (#15128 - in reply to #15097) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
Location: Maximum Overdrive
Writers write what they "see'....and painters paint what they "see".....the writing and painting of yesterday is the reality of today. Go to the ancient symbols website and tell me that the pics do not...absolutely do not.....depict flying saucers.....your alternatives are slim....they were painting GOD....and it was alien in nature...just as the halos are....just as the modern day auras are.....just as those who "see" can know with comfort that certain of us are not of this earth.
Universal Peace, Marty and Cosmocats LuckyLeika, Poppovitch, and Sissytrostky
Posted 6/2/2009 8:12 AM (#15141 - in reply to #15128) Subject: RE: Spirit/Soul
Location: United Kingdom
Yes, Jung said that too about flying saucers; all traditional art was a depiction of God .... everything Is .... knowingly or acceptingly or not .... gosh I know I drive some people mad when I say such things, but there we go !!