Metaphysical Attire: do clothes maketh the person ?
Paul Joseph
Posted 7/21/2008 7:42 AM (#7501)
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Dear All

Just wondering if any thoughts on this ... I regularly find deciding what to wear difficult (there is an old Leonard Cohen sleeve note (no pun intended!) where he says something like, 'that was in the days when it took me half a day deciding on what to wear').

Do we dress up, or do we dress down; should the occasion determine what we wear, or should our inner mood? Do we go with colour resonations, etc ?

In my job I may need to meet a homeless person one minute, so would not wish to make them feel I was trying to look superior ('not look too good, nor talk too wise ' - Kipling's If !) ... yet another minute I may need to be meeting with the echelon of society that only respects suits and ties ...

Now I have another layer of complication, with UMS ordination, should I wear something that draws attention to my metaphysicality ? If so, what cuold that be ?!! Should I wear a clerical collar ? Might English Anglican/Methodists think me over-claiming their religious vestment attire ? 'Dog' collars equally can make peolpe feel excluded ...

Dress, what we wear, when we wear it, has long been a question for me ... I even wondered once about writing an academic paper on it ...

And whilst on this topic, do you in USA - or NZ - or elsewhere have something there which are recent developments here, shoes that describe themselves as 'MBT' , or, Masai Barefoot Technology - alleging that these are better for our posture and backs than other traditional shoes ... wondered whether anyone had any knowledge of this, as it realtes to physical health , etc ..

Interested in perspectives on these ... Blessings
Paul


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Posted 7/21/2008 11:05 AM (#7513 - in reply to #7501)
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I dress comfortable. Most my clothes are from very inexpensive places too. I have to dress in a fashion for profession, so it's rare I am in Jeans.

However, dressing up makes you FEEL better in most cases. Go with a happy medium once again.
If I could get away with wearing sweat pants all the time, i would do it. Unfortunately, my clients wouldn't expect to pay for my services if I looked that way. If I look at least a little on the classy side, it also produces the one-ups manship. (Better for the my career as a hypnotist). So I guess it all comes down to what is it you are trying to do, and are you talking about career?

Balance.....
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Paul Joseph
Posted 7/21/2008 12:54 PM (#7515 - in reply to #7513)
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Dear DocJ thanks for response, do I detect a pun here - 'happy medium' ? as in , happy Medium !!??

strange sense of humour mine ..
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Posted 7/21/2008 4:30 PM (#7528 - in reply to #7501)
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Hi Paul and Doc and all...

In thinking about this, I realize that I hate fashion! I mean, let me rephrase...I like looking good and nicely put together, not in terms of runway standards ( HAHAHA ) but in terms of what colors and tones are reflecting my mood...I don't think I own anything that is not cotton or natural fabric..I like to mix and match..and that makes me think that it is probably much more difficult for men to be able to go from setting to setting like you must do in one day, Paul...
I have never heard of MBT, but seems intriguing, as I am barefoot as we speak, cannot tolerate shoes that must be tied ( such a nuisance ) but I would imagine there is something to it, as perhaps we would have been created with shoes if they were meant for more than protection!

Unfortunately, society dictates appropriate wear...in various settings,however makes me think of my 2 older kids in 8 years of Catholic school and how lucky we all were that they had uniforms to wear. No conflict, no muss, no fuss....perhaps we should just all don clokes, different colors indicate different levels of advancement... haha!
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Posted 7/21/2008 11:25 PM (#7544 - in reply to #7501)
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Lorrieeeeee,
     My first year at Catholic U.....we had to wear ties to class, and the girls had to wear skirts, and hose.
     The very next year, we are radicalized....the war was on full force and CU had gone through it's own controversy, in the firing of Father Curran, who said that abortion must be, not advocated, but discussed in our classrooms, as it is a fact of life in this society.
None other than the Pope, at that time, told the University (as we were a pontifical university, one of the few) that he must be fired and that the students had nothing to say about this. We went on strike and shut the university down.
What does the Pope do? He strips us of our "pontifical" designation (Big Whoop) and threatens to excommunicate us.
Ah well, they did fire him.
But, I always like one particular Saturday Night Live show, when Sinead O'Connor sings, and then holds up a picture of the Pope at that time, and says "here's the real criminal"...because, in my mind, she was absolutley right.....and I am Roman Catholic, and proud to be so. But my Catholicism is not the same as the Popes. Mine goes back to more ancient roots, where we had more than one god....and we DID!

Peace and Love,
Marty and CatholicCats, Luck, Popp, and Sissssss
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Paul Joseph
Posted 7/22/2008 4:37 AM (#7568 - in reply to #7544)
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Thanks for replies... and empathy, Marty ... yes, dress is a problem ... i kind of thought it is an interesting topic for us M-p's as we ( all) manifest externally what we internally feel xx

Black often feels a very powerful statement (I am aware here of the ums course on colours too)
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Kiddo Green
Posted 7/31/2008 1:56 AM (#8060 - in reply to #7501)
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I think this is an interesting topic indeed. We do live in a material world. And, we are sensory beings, that is we are stimulated by our sight, hearing, smell, touch and of course our extrasensory perception.

So, our material world has indoctrinated us into thinking we should be a certain way and those ways may very from culture to culture and subculture to subculture, but what is universal is that humans like to be beautiful, men and women. And, they like to be perceived as beautiful or attractive to others.

I have to honest; I do really value nice clothing. (Not trying to be snobbish, it is just the truth.) What do I like? UNDERSTATED ELEGANCE and natural fabrics. This doesn't have a price tag or a particular design or color.

But, to summarize, it is important to wear clothing that is appropriate for the occasion AND congruent with one's personality. It is also important to consider your audience. Is it important to make and impression? Or simply to get the job done?

For example, if you live in a tree-huggy kind of commnunity, burkes and flowy over-sized scarfy clothing works. It doesn't go over so well in other places. I wouldn't wear into a court of law in Washinton, D.C. You had better don a navy suit or some other stodgy get-up. Comprenez-vous?

So, should it match the insides? Yes, ideally. I mean that it should suit your personality.

I think our mood automatically reflects in our appearance and how we perceive ourselves. Think about it. "the power suit" WE are trying to project, power and strength, and we are hoping that others will think we are are. at least, we are wearing the uniform that says we are a member of the insecure-wannabe-moving-up-the-glass-ceiling-corporate-ladder club. (And, yes, Marty, I was one of those Catholic school girls all the way through grad school. I also wore the power suits, hose and pumps *rolling eyes*. I am over it.)

I have long used clothing/make-up to hide my mood. I have also used my clothing to try to change my mood. When I am really down or insecure, I usually dress up more. Somehow, it helps. Maybe, I am attention seeking? Who knows. What I do know is that is when I do this is it usually followed by a long period of slovenly appearance. I am usually depressed or ruminating over something. When I decide enough is enough, is when I 'pretty myself up' and leave the house. So, I do know that there is a direct correlation between my appearance and my mood.

Today, I am a stay-at-home mom. I wear sweats, Borns (shoes), and have short hair and no jewelry. I feel so utilitarian, it's scary. But, it suits my lifestyle.
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Kiddo Green
Posted 7/31/2008 2:13 AM (#8061 - in reply to #7501)
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Oh, one more comment. Something I deal with frequently with newer students of wicca and pagan traditions...

Many newbies like to don pentacles, and t-shirts that tell the world who they are and what they believe. My husband is really bothered by this. (He doesn't follow any particular faith.) I know that it is just part of the process for them. Similar to when adolescents make radical changes to their clothing style and hair. They need to set themselves apart physically (externally) to feel different internally. It is as if they need someone else to say,'hey you are are different!" for them to believe it themselves. Heidegger comes to mind...

More recently, I have seen all sorts of banners of religious affilititations. Christian (and I mean more than usual), Muslim, Sikh, etc. It is strange to think that there are so many people who feel that they need to tell everyone else that they 'belong'.

Personally, I don't like to wear any markers of my beliefs. My faith is in my heart, nothing more.
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Kiddo Green
Posted 7/31/2008 2:31 AM (#8062 - in reply to #7501)
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Whoops! I mean What I do know is that is when I do this is it usually preceded by a long period of slovenly appearance.
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Paul Joseph
Posted 7/31/2008 4:04 AM (#8067 - in reply to #8062)
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Dear Cara

Thanks for your most considered and thoughtful replies ... today I am in jans and tea shirt as i am going to our Day Centre for Homeless People and did not want to look like man in black ... interesting abuot religious adonrments, as there is a recent court case here of a Sikh (I think) girl being permited to wera her braceletr in school ... so it is a very 'live' issue ...

Blessed Be
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Kiddo Green
Posted 8/1/2008 1:51 AM (#8132 - in reply to #7501)
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yes, that is interesting, indeed. I do know that in youth pysch hospital, kids can not wear any sort of t shirts with messages or symbols either. they need to remain as neutral as possible. this is difficult for teens in general who 'need' to express themselves. this is their stage of development, for chissakes. I think the concept was born out of gang affiliation problems in California and has been taken too far. people forget the inportance of youth's need to belong and be accepted. Unfortunately, it sounds like the bracelet did not fit society's list of acceptable markers of affiliation. Let me ask you this: would the school ban a crucifix?
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Posted 8/1/2008 3:05 AM (#8133 - in reply to #8067)
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paulo,whats jans,is that a new fashion in the uk,was there to be an e,i think many wear certain clothes to stroke,show off,their ego,for instance,many will wear nothing but brand names,even though there are much much cheaper versions in the high street,but they wouldn,t be seen dead in them,its got to be designer label,therefore making an ego statement,look at me.Similarly,people in certain jobs,go for such,because of the uniform,when donned,it makes them feel and act powerful,they hide behind the uniform,it gives them power,so they imagine,i think that is also an ego thing,take off the uniform,and there is usualy a weak,insecure being behind.Personaly,i like colour,what i go for instintively,i.e.should i open my wardrobe,and be drawn to a certain colour,that is what i wear,as,that colour,subconciously,is what i need,the next day,i may look at that same favoured garment,and not like that colour,therefore,my person,has had enough,for what was needed,colour healing,practiced daily by all,subconsiously.Also there is the phycological approach,as when the sun shines,we all feel better,mentaly,etc,so it is with our dress,the darker the colour the darker the mood,the brighter we feel,the brighter the colour,which can also be our bodies way of telling us what we need,but the mind doesn,t always listen.Okay,i actualy like black,e,g the usual short black dress,with a colour accessory,i also love gypsy dresses,and no shoes,always no shoes,hate them,but do wear outside,hahah,i laugh at my going on.One more thing,i find it hard to understand,no disrespect,why say christians wear crosses,i.e.jesus on the cross,nailed to it,is this not a bit cruel,showing him in painwouldn,t he rather be shown shining in white light surrounding.Going,going,gone.irisx
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Paul Joseph
Posted 8/1/2008 3:44 AM (#8134 - in reply to #8133)
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Cruxifixes have been banned... and there have been court cases about that too ... but I cannot remember where the state of the law is on it, except with this latest ruling, I should think they cannot be banned ...

As for 'jans' oh my golly gosh, that is my speed-typingtiredstresseddyslexia creeping in ... of course i mant, Jinns, wearing Jinns is always good, around the house out of doors, or in visitng temples ... Ha they can also assist if we need a wish or three ... Jinns may be the new black ... !!

your attire Sunflowerpetalblossombeam sounds very nice

Visiting temples reminds me of a prayer someone gave to me once:

Dear Lord(or Lady)

Pardon my three sins - in contemplation I have clothed Thee who art formless;

in prayer i have spoken to Thee who art ineffable;

and in visiting temples I have ignored Thine omnipresence

Namaste
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Posted 8/1/2008 4:03 AM (#8139 - in reply to #8134)
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yeh,i,m comfortable in jans n ta shirt,roond hoose.I thought it was mad illegal,now in force,to wear a cross,or any from of thing,2 tired to explin,why do you think they couldn,t enforce it,i mean how,etc,oh here igo,etc,duh,i think the whole thing is being ridiculous,whomakes these rules,why can,t we wear what we want,big bro is taking over,i rebel,freedom is mine,i,ll b locked up now,you,ll see me on t news,"woman in neck brace,wearing several items of religious jewelery,in designer fake clothes,hanging on to bed rail,while chanting om off,to police seargent"haha,such is life,sound like a teen rebel,maybe i am,in a nice way,irisx
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Paul Joseph
Posted 8/1/2008 4:27 AM (#8149 - in reply to #8139)
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Dear Sunflower - sounds to me like you are a Fashionista !! See you on the catwalks ...
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Kiddo Green
Posted 8/1/2008 5:18 AM (#8159 - in reply to #7501)
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hahaha! lol. I like fashion, but I like comfort. Each to his own, right? I still stand by my statements that the attire must suit the person and his/her lifestyle, personality and work.

Oh, on color: I used to be one of theose black wearing peeps. I gave it up years ago. I prefer to wear bright lively colors. Who wants to look at something drab? I want to reflect light and color, not absorb it. That;s my belief anyway.
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Posted 8/1/2008 5:47 AM (#8165 - in reply to #8149)
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mmm?
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Paul Joseph
Posted 8/1/2008 5:55 AM (#8166 - in reply to #8165)
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'mmm?' ? Is that a Humm ?

I had read that some healers wear black because they believe it contains (ie, holds and restrains) negative energy.

Feels a bit like that to me too .

I veer between rainbows, white and black. Or grey.
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Posted 8/1/2008 5:55 AM (#8167 - in reply to #8165)
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'mmm?' ? Is that a Humm ?

I had read that some healers wear black because they believe it contains (ie, holds and restrains) negative energy.

Feels a bit like that to me too .

I veer between rainbows, white and black. Or grey.

Gandalf the Grey
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Posted 8/1/2008 9:19 AM (#8184 - in reply to #8159)
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Batman drab?? you are kidding Kiddo

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Paul Joseph
Posted 8/1/2008 9:28 AM (#8185 - in reply to #8184)
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Look a bit weird coming to work with underpants outside our trousers and wearing a cape though ... mind you a rocket powered car might help me get up North .. in the old DC comics he wore blue and grey.
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Posted 8/1/2008 9:34 AM (#8188 - in reply to #8185)
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How times change
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Paul Joseph
Posted 8/1/2008 9:38 AM (#8191 - in reply to #8188)
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Yet everything stays the same.

Mao Tse Tung: History never changes, only its texture.

Ecclesiastes: There is nothing new under the sun; vanity vanity, all is vanity
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Posted 8/1/2008 10:10 AM (#8198 - in reply to #8191)
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Mao was right then, that's maybe why Batman wears different textures now
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Posted 8/1/2008 2:02 PM (#8208 - in reply to #8159)
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whoa,whats peeps then,kidda,lots of lovely people like to look at something of beauty in black,others turn away at look at me bright,here i am egos,plus designer,double ego,nothing quite like black velvet,the feel,comforting,and so protective.As the welsh would say,tyn ben mawr,tyn geg mawr,dim calon gwyn.
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Posted 8/1/2008 4:11 PM (#8211 - in reply to #7501)
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This is awesome! You know, I tend to wear muted colors alot, black, gray, etc. and I notice that when I do, it is that I am feeling particularly happy and positive! I think it may be because I do not want to change the vibrations of my happy mood, so I want to, in other words let my mood speak for itself. I also hear you Iris, I love colored accessories, too! My Hungarian ancestry will shine through in the way of silly fun dangly earrings and bold necklaces, etc....and finally, again Iris, my sister in barefootedness...shoes suck!

Also, showing my true U.S citizenship here, but

what the heck is a Jinn?

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Kiddo Green
Posted 8/1/2008 5:27 PM (#8215 - in reply to #7501)
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I am not sure what the batman bit is all about... I guess I am missing it. I just like rich colors, textures and lines on clothing. Whatever! It suits my personality.

Chot-
Are you suggesting that I wear my underwear on the outside? I am sincerely confused.

Cara

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Kiddo Green
Posted 8/1/2008 5:29 PM (#8216 - in reply to #7501)
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If I may cut in...

Instrinctual-
A Jinn is Genie. A magical michievous spirit.

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Posted 8/1/2008 5:49 PM (#8217 - in reply to #7501)
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SO then I have to wait for Paul to clarify- if he indeed meant that he is wearing a Genie? Me thinks we have a cultural language issue occurring here
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Posted 8/1/2008 7:09 PM (#8219 - in reply to #7501)
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maybe he means jeans. Which comes from the French. I can't remember the spelling right now. But, the original refers to a type of canvas material used for work clothes. It was worn by peasants in a region ruled by the family "Gene' or some such. (This is pulled completely from my memory of a history class I took when I was sutdying in france in 1989.)

A little bit of trivia anyway.

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Posted 8/1/2008 7:56 PM (#8220 - in reply to #7501)
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ah yes, probably so! When Paul returns from the Great North, perhaps he can clear it up for good, unless someone else from the UK can clarify!

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Posted 8/2/2008 11:36 AM (#8256 - in reply to #8220)
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I have clarified, on another thread. Cara read me right here; I was clearly being too opaque. I'd better go and read some more books, or go further North, where there aren't any PCs or internet.

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Posted 8/2/2008 1:36 PM (#8264 - in reply to #7501)
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Ok, I was a bit off historically on the jeans comment. Here are the facts, the wikipedia version:

Jeans trivia:
Jeans fabric was made in Chieri, a town near Turin (Italy), in the 1600s. It was sold through the harbour of Genoa, that was the capital of an independent republic, and a naval power. The first were made for the Genoese Navy because it required all-purpose pants for its sailors that could be worn wet or dry, and whose legs could easily be rolled up to wear while swabbing the deck. These jeans would be laundered by dragging them in large mesh nets behind the ship, and the sea water would bleach them white. According to many people the jeans name comes from bleu de Gênes, i.e., blue of Genoa. The raw material used to come from the city of Nîmes (France) de Nîmes i.e. denim.

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Kiddo Green
Posted 8/2/2008 1:39 PM (#8265 - in reply to #7501)
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I should correct myself, the ruling family was de Nimes, not Genes (Genoa). denim blue jeans (de Nimes bleu Genes).

Cara
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Paul Joseph
Posted 8/2/2008 2:39 PM (#8271 - in reply to #8265)
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Please Cara

thou dost protest too much ..

go with the flow

I never know what to wear: easy question.

Respectful answers.

My deceased grandma made me a Batman suit once, 30 years ago, before the films were made

- in an English village - racing around, being Batman

- how weird was that -

no-one except me knew that the comic s existed

- my grandma humoured me

Blue & Grey, or black and blue, from the bruises xx

and please, no corrections necessary - only consciousness (as I am sure you know) x

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Posted 8/2/2008 2:43 PM (#8272 - in reply to #8271)
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Doh

sorry we have not yet made plain that, i believe,

Mr Levi was Jewish

& thus another testament to Jewish endurance & foresight

Shalom
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Kiddo Green
Posted 8/2/2008 2:54 PM (#8273 - in reply to #7501)
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No. PJ, I simply don't understand what the batman references are about. What are they? It seems sort of teasing? But, I just can't wrap my head around it. Can Chot or someone else explain it?

I don't think I am protesting. I am merely trying to clarifying a rather obtuse reference to batman suit in response to my comments. It is not in my frame of reference. Sorry. trying to clarify.

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Paul Joseph
Posted 8/2/2008 3:21 PM (#8281 - in reply to #8273)
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So far as i can see, and I feel I am explaining someone else's poor linkage:

You and I, and Sunflower, were discussing clothes colours; there may or may not have been some negative connotation to 'black' and so far as I am dimly aware, having followed the Dark Knight transfer from pastel Dc to dark Marvel comics and thereto film, a joke has been attempted, ie, is the new black Batman, boring.. not by me, but there we go - if you need it spelling out more pls let me know .. rushing as I have a phone call to take ..x

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Posted 8/2/2008 7:58 PM (#8305 - in reply to #7501)
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I see I see. I didn't understand the Batman reference at all. I apologize. I don't watch primetime TV or read the news, so sometimes these references are lost on me.

And, well, I have just come to appreciate a full palette of color. When I say that I used to wear black, FOR ME, it was a disguise. I was trying to be something that I was not. This may not be true for others; I can not say. If you can only imagine what a black/gray outfit looks like in a bright, sunny out-doorsy locale as SoCal. To top it off, I come from Italian heritage, my pigment is olive (complete with dark circles under eyes) and dark hair). I look more like a caricature...erring on the side of Morticia Adams of the Adams family. Besides, my family culture dictates that I am too young for an all black dress code. (Old Italian ladies in black dresses and head dresses...) *wink*

So, I am sorry if I have offended anyone. That was not my intention. I just prefer to liven up what nature has already made so sombre-looking (meaning my complexion).

Take care,
Cara

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Posted 8/3/2008 8:13 AM (#8326 - in reply to #8273)
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 I was picking up on your comment black is drab. Sorry for any confusion, P.J. has hit the nail on the head though. It was a reference to the new Batman film as he wears a black costume and P.J. was correcting me, when he picked me up on the original of his costume.
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Posted 8/3/2008 9:39 AM (#8344 - in reply to #8326)
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Sorry Chothuni we do seem to be crossing wavelengths and I apologise for my part in any of that; I did not see myself as 'correcting' you; as you have, you say, a dry sense of humour, equally I have my own sense of humour, which sometimes coincides with yours, and sometimes seems not to. Part of this Board is shared learning so we can learn from each other, i feel. Not sure what more I can say on that. I shall clearly need to take more care in responding to your posts.

I feel this Board is also about sharing & raising planetary consciousness for its and our healing; and in that comes respect. So if you - or anyone else - feels that I have disrespected you, or others, at all, then i equally apologise for that. Equally, since part of this is also about asking questions, then I cannot forebear from that if i am not sure of something.
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Posted 8/3/2008 1:06 PM (#8356 - in reply to #7501)
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While I believe we "know" each other and are becoming accustomed to each other's writing styles, moods, sense of humor ( whether dry as a stale piece of bread or as raunchy and wet as Lucille Ball( not to say that Lucy was raunchy, but hopefully you know what I mean)! without the inflection of a voice and the look into the eye, it will always be difficult. Therein lies the beauty of this form of communication. The lack of those luxuries practically forces one to really understand each other on a soul to soul level- the pure soup that we are born from. I think if we could just pause and imagine the person's face while they are "speaking" there wouldn't be so much need for clarification? Then again, what the hell do I know.
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Posted 8/3/2008 1:54 PM (#8366 - in reply to #8356)
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As the Little Prince's only friend the Fox knew, we can only see truly with the Heart.
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Posted 8/3/2008 2:00 PM (#8370 - in reply to #7501)
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I like you Lori. Beautiful sentiment. And, I agree with you. Let's imagine the human element and the good in our comrades.

cara
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Posted 8/3/2008 9:54 PM (#8383 - in reply to #7501)
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I like you too dear Cara...thank you!!!!!

Smiles and all good stuff!

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Posted 8/3/2008 10:45 PM (#8385 - in reply to #8211)
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Hungarian food is awesome instinctual...a friend of mine made this Sausage Bread for me and it was the best! And she taught me to make this wonderful sweet pasta dish with eggs and everytime I make it people love it. It's really good as a dinner side dish.

Love and peace to you...
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Posted 8/3/2008 10:47 PM (#8386 - in reply to #7501)
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As far as metaphysical clothing, Feathers are best....

Whatever brings you to that happy place. I believe in comfort and wearing the colors that are in harmony with the wearer...
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Posted 8/4/2008 1:03 AM (#8387 - in reply to #7501)
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Hoorah Rose! a big bold star for succinct post.

I couldn't agree more.

Cara
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Posted 8/4/2008 3:57 AM (#8390 - in reply to #8386)
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Next time I am in court I shall wear my batman suit with some feathers attached. Should see me sent down !!

Ah .. the Shamanic suit of the Great Eagle-Owl yet awaits ...

The Kachina of the Hopi, a reverberation of our Santa Claus, wears a suit of blue, with stars upon it, ebcause he has come a long way, across the universe ...

Namaste
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Posted 8/5/2008 10:32 AM (#8574 - in reply to #7501)
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Rose, the dish you speak of, is delicious! I do not know how to spell it...I think it's like...koogel or krugel...it is amazing..!!! Also, the ranch dressing you speak of...has me so hungry!!!!

Nice to see you, pretty Rose!! (Has the priest washed his hands)? I sent you a post about that on starlight, but now I cannot find it!

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PS: Paul, Do you live near Harrod's? Love Love Love that place..fabulous smoked salmon as I recall...
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Posted 8/5/2008 8:02 PM (#8583 - in reply to #8574)
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Instinctual, I'm sitting here laughing at what Paul posted about going into court with a Batman suit and feathers. "Paul, that's ridiculous! Don't wear the batman suit, just the feathers...everyone knows that a Batman suit with Feathers is a fashion blunder....just Feathers."

Can you imagine Paul dressed as a big bird in court? But what would he be in court for? Stealing Bird seeds? Perhaps he's an expert witness to "fowl" play...

INSTINCTUAL, yes you're right about the name of that dish, she did say something like that. I don't know the name I just know that I LOVE THAT STUFF! It's delicious. And if I have the noodles I'm going to make some here soon.

Love and Peace to you...
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Posted 8/5/2008 8:03 PM (#8584 - in reply to #8387)
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Thanks Kiddo Green, glad you agree!

Love and Peace to you...
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Posted 8/5/2008 9:03 PM (#8585 - in reply to #7501)
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I was thinking wasn't it Robin who said all the "holy ____ Batman!"
So Paul is already feathered, and does not need to go searching for better clothes.

I found this short shamanic blog on robins, "Holy Birds of Paradise, Batman! Maybe there's a message here for someone!":

http://www.blogickal.com/2007/01/robin_redbreast.html
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Posted 8/5/2008 10:08 PM (#8586 - in reply to #8585)
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Lots of pretty birds here T, some I'm not sure what they are but they make their nest out of mud. Also have meadowlarks, so many beautiful birds. I just love watching birds. Many different types of hummingbirds too.

And yes it was Robin who said all the Holy.....Batman stuff.

Good to see you here!

Love and Peace to you....thinking of you while I was picking fresh veggies today. I listened to the news today and more and more people are going straight to local farmers to purchase organic veggies. I learned a real good method for organic gardening...Leave some weeds in there they mimic other plants and the bugs will eat on them and leave the veggies alone...guess what? It really works.
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Posted 8/6/2008 2:55 AM (#8591 - in reply to #7501)
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Wow, I must have missed a lot! I will need to catch up.

C
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Posted 8/6/2008 4:34 AM (#8603 - in reply to #8591)
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What a hoot of a thread ... take your eye off the ball for a second and everything takes off !!

.... and I work near Harrods, Lori, but nearer to Selfridges, which also has a food hall ...

sorry if this has been said or its doing an eggs & grandmother thing - presume everyone knows the rason that robins have red breasts, allegedly, is because on perched on the Christ's shoulder on the cross and gave succour of some kind or another

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Posted 8/6/2008 5:09 AM (#8611 - in reply to #8603)
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ohh how i love robins,twas i who mentioned of the robin,me thinks,yes indeedy and i know what she says to me,and why,love her,batman,remeber that when i was but a young starling,great duo,it was holyshit batman,a subconcious proof of god thing again,it was said in amazment and awe,aww,see we talk to god,even subconconsiusly,every day.I wish peoples had the balls in the air,to say EXACTLY what they mean,to whom,and about what,so much easier on the eye,and heart,and brain.A truth day would be good eh!when all told the truth about what theyre REALLY thinking,isn,t it the whole point,THE TRUTH,spirit heart soul...................
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Posted 8/6/2008 5:30 AM (#8613 - in reply to #8611)
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Speaking for myself, I believe that i never speak nothing but the truth on the Board.

Then again, I could be living under a delusion. Or an illusion.

Or in a wood under the name of Sanders.

I am glad for anyone's enlightenment if things are seen contrary-wise.

Though admittedly, as St Paul said, 'for now we see through a glass darkly, but then we shall see face to face'.
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Posted 8/6/2008 6:10 AM (#8619 - in reply to #8613)
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i too speak the truth,i wouldn,t just be "glad" for anyone,s enlightenment you get that for free,doest thou know unless you,ve read well,not well read,i would ask forit,plain and simple,like life itself,it is us who make it difficult,now face to face is more honest and telling,its in the eyes,let god be the judge,no one else can claim that.
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Posted 8/6/2008 8:42 AM (#8622 - in reply to #8585)
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Interesting e-link Tracy, thanks.

In England, we also had Robin Hood, who some interpret symbolically as a shamanic 'wild man' of the woods, or 'woodwo'; and also Robin Goodfellow, a similar figure & then on to faery links, with Puck, who appears in Midsummer Night's Dream by Shakespeare, as a primal spirit.

& its great being somehow associated with these themes, even if in our imaginations !

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Posted 8/6/2008 1:45 PM (#8645 - in reply to #7501)
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Concerned about the thought that people do not speak truth here, Iris...I feel sad about that...

Paul, never heard of Selfridges, but will check it out for sure...also, I may have an opportunity to visit your fair land in October..we shall see which way the wind blows!


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Posted 8/6/2008 4:25 PM (#8657 - in reply to #7501)
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Confused. Are we not speaking truthfully or should we be speaking more Truthfully, i.e. speaking about the Truth, a more metaphysical topic.

Please clarify for me.

thank you.
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Posted 8/6/2008 5:44 PM (#8658 - in reply to #7501)
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Hi Cara Bear, to clarify, I was feebly attempting to tell Iris that the fact that she thinks some of us here are not truthful makes me sad....that's all...

I hope that clears up any confusion...xoxoxo

Hope your day is a great one doll!

xox

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Posted 8/6/2008 6:23 PM (#8669 - in reply to #7501)
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I think so. Having a good day. Trying to download courses. HAving more fun online than reading though. Little will be waking up soon. Then, I won't be able to hit the books until post bedtime. Drat!

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Posted 8/7/2008 8:43 AM (#8708 - in reply to #8669)
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I couldn't manage courses, the Board, and work altogether - let alone having tiny wee bairns to manage also !

Selfridges is as big as Harrods, more or less, but slightly less expensive. On Oxford Street.

As for Truth - I have referred before, more than once, but it gets difficult trawling through old threads (and they get so musty, fusty and dusty!) ...

... Pontius Pilate asked Jesus, 'What is truth?' to which the Great Guy remained silent ...

...... Keats moreover was slightly more bold, or rash, : " Beauty is Truth and Truth is Beauty; that's all ye know on earth and all ye need to know, of Heaven" (think that's a correct rendition)

...... and as for Heaven, I would refer you to the poem by A S J Tessimond I posted last week on the Poetry for the Soul thread, "Heaven", which starts, 'in the Heaven of the God I hope for, call him X' ...(let me know if you cannot find it or would like it reposted; its one of my favourite poems) xx

Looking forward to October.

Batman (wearing autumn leaves)

Edited by Paul Joseph 8/7/2008 8:49 AM
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Posted 8/7/2008 9:10 AM (#8712 - in reply to #8708)
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Oh well - to save everyone traipsing through lots of old threadbare socks & wornout shoes, especially since some will be having to do it one handed whilst clutching struggling infants, I went to the Poetry thread myself, and found the Heaven of which I just spoke (ps, there's masses of old threads down there in the basement!):

HEAVEN

by A S J Tessimond (1902 - 1962)


In the heaven of the god I hope for (call him X)

There is marriage and giving in marriage and transient sex

For those who will cast the body's vest aside

Soon, but are not yet rarified

And still embrace. For X is never annoyed

Or shocked; has read his Jung and knows his Freud,

He gives you time in heaven to do as you please,

To climb love's ladder by slow degrees,

Gently to rise from sense to soul, to ascend

To a world of timeless joy, world without end.



Here on the gates of pearl there hangs no sign

Limiting cakes and ale, forbidding wine.

No weakness here is hidden, no vice unknown.

Sin is a sickness to be cured, outgrown

With the help of a god who can laugh, an unsolemn god

Who smiles at old wives' tales of iron rod

And fiery hell, a God who's more at ease

With bawds and Falstaffs than with Pharisees.



Here the lame learn to leap, the blind to see,

Tyrants are taught to be humble, slaves to be free.

Fools become wise and wise men cease to be bores,

Here bishops learn from lips of back-street whores,

And white men follow black-faced angels' feet

Through fields of orient and immortal wheat.


Villon, Lautrec and Baudelaire are here.

Here Swift forgets his anger, Poe his fear.

Napoleon rests. Columbus, journeys done,

Has reached his new Atlantis, found his sun.

Verlaine and Dylan Thomas drink together.

Marx talks to Plato. Byron wonders whether

There's some mistake. Wordsworth has found a hill

That's home. Here Chopin plays the piano still.

Wren plans ethereal domes; and Renoir paints

Young girls as ripe as fruit but not yet saints.


And X, of whom no coward is afraid,

Who's friend consulted, not fierce king obeyed;

Who hears the unspoken thought, the prayer unprayed;

Who expects not even the learned to understand

His universe, extends a prodigal hand,

Full of forgiveness, over his promised land







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Posted 8/8/2008 9:40 PM (#8875 - in reply to #7501)
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PJ- So, did you get what you needed form the responses?

Do clothes maketh the person? The clothes certain covereth the person, diguiseth/masketh the person, transform the person...whether the wearer is conscious of it or not.

Cara (trailing ponderances...)
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Posted 8/9/2008 4:14 AM (#8895 - in reply to #8875)
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Good question, very, Cara - I was wondering that myself : yes, very helpful, if only as a reassurance that my concerns were shared ....
... now, where is that old Batman suit,i have a feather for it ! xx

thanks everyone for sharing
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Posted 8/9/2008 11:50 AM (#8910 - in reply to #8895)
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I have a feather for you Paul, (plucks out a feather) and hands it over to you. There one of my best too!

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Posted 8/10/2008 8:53 PM (#8936 - in reply to #7501)
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Will he stick a feather in his cap and call it Macaroni? One never knows!
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Posted 8/11/2008 12:23 AM (#8937 - in reply to #7501)
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Good good, PJ. Happy to oblige. I know we all get lost in our own stuff and our jokes and days pass. Sometimes we forget the actual question. It was a valid interest of yours. At least I took it that way. Just want to make sure your that your needs were met.

And, do you like the feather Rose gave you??? Because I have collected quite a few peacock feathers myself...You can always be Paul Joseph of the technicolor dream batman feather coat/cloak...

Cara (very little sleep and a littel punchy...good humor all the same. *grin*)
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Posted 8/11/2008 4:30 AM (#8957 - in reply to #8937)
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Like the Joseph link x

.. watched Batman Begins over the weekend which reminded me of racing around my tiny English country village on a dark summer night, aged 10, or so, in my adapted bed-sheet, not a Kevlar suit in sight ... and thus my dear old deceased Grandma who put up with so much from me ... (interesting word association was going to try to write it as we say it here, and came out with 'Grammarr' ! Holy etymology!)

... who are you calling a Yankee at the Court of King Arhur Holy Connecticut Lori .. ?!

Blessings

Must do some work now ...xxx

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Posted 8/11/2008 9:39 AM (#8974 - in reply to #8957)
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Wow I am sorry to be slow coming back on the feather-issue, wow, too busy preening them as they are so beautiful .. peacocks, owls, all the stuff for an aged shaman to be proud of .... not sure I am up to the task of donning such magical garments, am honoured indeed .... may get taken for Quetzalcoatl ... especially in the pre-autumn mists of morning ....

Love, Light & Bestest Blessings All x
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Posted 8/11/2008 11:28 AM (#8990 - in reply to #7501)
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HAHA! We always seem to get back to our past- back to the future, or forward to our history, or the like...something about that big round table that gathers kindreds..even if you keep cleaning it and do not remember where you started!
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DOH - you're not telling me I am starting to get boring and repetitious are you, Guinevere ?
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Hardly, Horacio, Hardly!
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Posted 8/11/2008 11:39 AM (#8999 - in reply to #8997)
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Kismet Hardy, (as in fate)

or

Kiss me Hardy

(Admiral Nelson's last words; indeterminant)

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Posted 8/11/2008 8:19 PM (#9016 - in reply to #7501)
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Kismet! Another word I adore..I seem to be enamoured easily by words lately, probably because of my intense writing process...also in CT there was ( probably still is ) an amazing Indian restaurant by that name...I can smell the vindaloo now!

Oh, that reminds me...gotta post my Albondigas recipe on the soul food thread, I promised Cara!
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Sounds good Instinctual! Will need to chase down that post of yours. Like the bangin on bongos...

Did you see the meteor shower just a night or two ago? It was fabulous! Now I simply must be patient for another six months.

Love the night sky!
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Olden times soothsayers took meteor showers as portends Rose .. any vibes or intutions ? Glad you've stopped chasing those lemmings over cliffs ! & you look nothing like a cat ! ( though once years ago when I was little, we had a cat who used to jump up onto the window sill each night with his catch - sometimes a vole, sometimes a mouse, etc; once he jumped up with a baby owl in his mouth ... hmph .. hope it was no relation !!)

don Porpretentiouspixieote de la Flayednesses
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Cats are so proud of their catch! When we had cats ( several of them over the years ), they would always present to us proudly their hunt of the night, and place it squarely on the mat outside the door, "look what I can do...look what I did for you"! I miss feline energy in my house, we all do..since we live in the desert where coyotes are plenty and bobcats are not far away, I would be sincerely afraid if they escaped outside, for fear that they would become a nice midnight snack for our native desert friends...
Roseyone- I did not see the meteor shower the other night! I bet it was absolutely stunning...I see a random shooting star, and am so entertained by the monsoons and the lightning and thunder...speaking for myself, that is, not my 2 little girly puppies Hailey Mae and Lilly! They are quite annoyed by the clatter, and feel the need to protect their property! ( Yap Yap woof woof alll night long)! They are so cute
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