Some personal proofs of God ...
Paul Joseph
Posted 7/17/2008 6:34 AM (#7305)
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1. The snowflake: for its multiplicity of uniqueness, noone the same, yet each perfectly symmetrical, yet also, ephemeral. True miracels of creation.

2. Bees and flies; the former becuase aerovynamically they are not supposed to be able to fly; the latter for tehir horrendous mission in keeping us alive.

2. Mathematics: for its eternally discoverable sureness.

3. The selfless self-sacrifice of who give their lives for others, oftimes anonymously, and with no thought for reward.

4. The permission we have not to believe in anything at all

Just a few of my own .. be interested in others's' !

Blessings

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Paul Joseph
Posted 7/17/2008 7:07 AM (#7307 - in reply to #7305)
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5. Oh yes - and the Mayfly, who only lives for a day yet is so full of the miraculous intricasies of creation (but, Chuang Tzu, does it know it only lives for a day? Do we ?! Ha ha) [poor state of affairs laughing at my own jokes]

6. Cave paintings of Lascieux and similar; for their aged hiddennes and brilliant splendour, encased in comlpete darkness, illuminated only when we are there ... !!
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sunflower
Posted 7/17/2008 11:40 AM (#7317 - in reply to #7305)
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hi,i gree with all the above,and you know,seriously,i wonder if the mayfly does know it only lives for a day.
my proofs of God are the love shown by others,to others,when they themselves are in pain

the people saved from horrendous accidents,that have lived to tell their tale
the forgoten heroes who work behind the scenes
the birth of a newborn child
the unseen hands that holds those in grief
the love that brings strangers together,as one
the beauty all around,that not all notice
the colours of the weeds,the most beutiful gift of nature
the tireless doctor,who workks beyond his shift,and spends every day and night,watching over his patient
the stranger who holds out an outstreched hand
so much more,

okay,its made me think,so i will ponder,and return,to read others,love and hugs,irisxxx
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Tracy Martin
Posted 7/17/2008 1:47 PM (#7320 - in reply to #7305)
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SEA Shells! The remarkabe diversity and design of sea shells somehow convinces me that there is an intelligent Artist at work.

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Posted 7/17/2008 1:48 PM (#7321 - in reply to #7305)
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Crystals and Gemstones 

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Posted 7/17/2008 1:49 PM (#7322 - in reply to #7305)
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Butterflies!

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Posted 7/17/2008 1:51 PM (#7323 - in reply to #7305)
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Rainbows!

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Posted 7/17/2008 1:56 PM (#7324 - in reply to #7305)
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Babies Smiling!

Cats!

People getting together in peace and friendship!

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Posted 7/17/2008 2:12 PM (#7325 - in reply to #7305)
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Such beautiful examples, everyone. My own personal example-oops, I cannot figure out how to post an image in this text box!

Ok, so Personal proofs of God for me is that there are universities churches and forums such as this - that a person or group of people could listen to the divine within them to bring such things to fruition.

Love to all!



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Paul Joseph
Posted 7/17/2008 3:14 PM (#7326 - in reply to #7325)
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CAPITALS DELIBERATE !! XX

SUCH WONDERFUL RESPONSES BUT TOO BUSY WASHING UP TO RESPOND IN ANY WAY PROPERLY

THANK YOUOOOOOOXXXXXXX

HOPE NOTHING IS DELETED YET !!
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Posted 7/18/2008 12:44 AM (#7331 - in reply to #7305)
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How nice....

I also think Proof of God can be personal as well. Someone who opens the door for you, who is a perfect stranger. These things do not happen as often, but when they do.... you seem to really remember it. 
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Paul Joseph
Posted 7/18/2008 3:58 AM (#7341 - in reply to #7331)
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Absolutely everyone ... interesting that the rainbow has sanctity for the Norse poeples, in Genesis, and for the Aymara of Meru, and that's only the ones I know abuot ...

the immanences of Light Energy ... xx

and entertaining angels unawares ...
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Paul Joseph
Posted 7/18/2008 3:59 AM (#7342 - in reply to #7341)
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........and Forgiveness ....
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Posted 7/18/2008 4:10 AM (#7346 - in reply to #7320)
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Tracey,i absolutely loved your pictures,thanyou for the beauty,strange,i was thinking of rainbows,and all the healing colours in them,for a long while,,i have been trying to find a picture of a rainbow,as i had a strong feeing that i wanted to put a rainbow picture on my wall,it had to be straight in the middle of the house,and placed on that wall,i had a feeling that the rainbow colours,placed specificly in the right place,would heal all who lived here,and the house.I couln,t find one,my husband looked and looked,i saw some of the pictures,and decided that the ony right way was to take a picture myself,when a rainbow came,as the real thing,would only do,The next day,there was a rainbow outside our house,i was so exited,it seemed to be a double rainbow,one of the ilke i have never seen,i took pictures,but they didn,t turn out as well as i would have liked,as the colours weren,t strong enough,etc.my camera fault.anyway i am still looking,and when i saw your picture,i thought wow!thats it,amazing.Okay,straying fromthe subject,sorry.I have since young collected seashells,and coloured stones from the beach,until it became illegal to do so here,i still have them,and place them round my house,i love them.I also have a story about a butterfly,its true,but i,ve gone on too much,but let me say it was in answer to a question to someone in spirit,and this was their proof.okay,enough,just let me say,tracey,you have captured the true beauty of the divine,you are such a warm,caring person,and so close to spirit,i love you,to me you are like an old friend,the best,i mean all of this sincerely,and more,i send my love and light to you,love and hugs irisxxx
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Paul Joseph
Posted 7/18/2008 4:41 AM (#7347 - in reply to #7305)
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Dear Sunflower - does that mean marriage is off ? ! xx

(Brightest luminous blessings to You and the Divine in You)
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Posted 7/18/2008 5:07 AM (#7348 - in reply to #7305)
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haha,oh i love it paul,you have such a good sense of humour,a lovely soul.NO,NO,i,m waiting in anticipation for the ring to (arrive,there is no other.We have aready chosen our home(POOH FOREST)so don,t let me down gently,when i have been waiting ALL this time.Just tell me the date,so i can send out the invitations,i plead with you,oh no!haveyou found another,and your trying to let me down gently.love and hugs to you iris xxx
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Posted 7/18/2008 5:17 AM (#7349 - in reply to #7305)
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Aah, how sweet ... we could have quite a ums commune ... Piglet, Eeyore ... the Poets and the Seers, the Prophets, the Kings and the Queens, the Witches and the Wizards ... in the Realm that never dies .. the Light that never fades ...

The Once and Future Space of grace, where every Heart and dream can Be as One !!

Here and Now xx

Keep posting & dreaming !!
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Paul Joseph
Posted 7/18/2008 8:29 AM (#7354 - in reply to #7348)
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Dear Sunflower - How's this (the picture) for a ring ?!! [and another proof of God!] ~

http://space.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7564

From: NewScientistSpace web-site

A spectacular, luminous ring offers the best evidence yet that a nearby star is circled by a newly formed solar system.
The ring is composed of dust particles in orbit around Fomalhaut, a bright star located just 25 light years away in the constellation Pisces Australis – or the Southern Fish. A recent image captured with the Hubble Space Telescope - which makes the system look uncannily like the Great Eye of Sauron from the blockbusting Lord of the Rings trilogy - confirms that Fomalhaut’s ring is curiously offset with respect to the star.
The most likely explanation is that the gravity of one or more unseen planets is dragging the ring askew. The fact that the inner edge of the ring is relatively well-defined adds further weight to the argument because it suggests the unseen planets are sweeping up stray dust within the radius of the ring.
The image was captured by astronomers at the University of California, Berkeley, US, and NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center using Hubble’s coronagraph. This device blocks the glare of a star while gathering the faint reflected light from any surrounding ring.
The new image is the first time Fomalhaut’s ring has been seen in visible light.
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Posted 7/22/2008 2:31 AM (#7549 - in reply to #7305)
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As a student of William James, I need no proof. After his exhaustive study, and some 20+ lectures at the University of Glasgow, I do agree with his conclusion, in that, if "we" as mankind say that God exists, then God does, indeed, exist.
Notwithstanding the contrary beliefs that I have, as a Roman Catholic, a Rosicrucian, a Darwinist, an occultist and a fool and knave, I have one thing that says, above all, that God (in some ways, shapes, or forms) does, indeed exist, and that is that I have that most important element.........FAITH!
After many years, if I don't see you guys with harps and wings, no big deal.....because I will see you in some way.....WHY?
Because God created things in the image of God, which is ETERNAL (all of time exists), and therefore, the creations are also eternal.
     But pretty pictures are always just that, pretty pictures, and I do believe them to be a manifestation of God; and ugly pictures are, indeed ugly, but they, too, ARE A MANIFESTATION OF GOD!!!!

Peace to you all,
Marty and Sacramental Cats, Luckylee, Poopyhead, and the Sisster
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Tracy Martin
Posted 7/22/2008 3:09 AM (#7556 - in reply to #7305)
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Yes, the word is faith, which to me is an inner conviction of a loving connection to a Higher Mind within me, which speaks in a still voice, which becomes clearer and clearer.
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Posted 7/22/2008 4:11 AM (#7562 - in reply to #7305)
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Yes, Trace,
     Your story gives that away free for the discerning reader...you do indeed, have deep faith. But, you know what? You ALWAYS had it!

Yours, in peace,
Marty and Sleepyheads, Lucky, Popp and Siss

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Paul Joseph
Posted 7/22/2008 4:12 AM (#7563 - in reply to #7549)
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Quite so - but here's another one - the BOARD HAS BEEN SAVED ! THANKS ... SO MUCHO MUCHO X
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Paul Joseph
Posted 8/3/2008 9:17 AM (#8339 - in reply to #7305)
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Thanks for the synchronicotous , or serendipitous , noticing, Cara ...

serendipity and synchronicity are also good 'proofs', perhaps ! x
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Posted 8/3/2008 10:55 AM (#8351 - in reply to #8339)
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Numinosity too; quite well captured in this old poem by John Buchan, unusual in that he was brought up a strict Presbyterian but had beneath that a depth of pagan, numinous spirituality ..:


WOOD MAGIC

I will walk warily in the wise woods on the fringes of eventide,
For the covert is full of noises and the stir of nameless things.
I have seen in the dusk of the beeches the shapes of the lords that ride,
And down in the marish hollow I have heard the lady who sings.
And once in an April gleaming I met a maid on the sward,
All marble-white and gleaming and tender and wild of eye;—
I, Jehan the hunter, who speak am a grown man, middling hard,
But I dreamt a month of the maid, and wept I knew not why.

Down by the edge of the firs, in a coppice of heath and vine,
Is an old moss-grown altar, shaded by briar and bloom,
Denys, the priest, hath told me 'twas the lord Apollo's shrine
In the days ere Christ came down from God to the Virgin's womb.
I never go past but I doff my cap and avert my eyes-

(Were Denys to catch me I trow I'd do penance for half a year)—
For once I saw a flame there and the smoke of a sacrifice,
And a voice spake out of the thicket that froze my soul with fear.

Wherefore to God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,
Mary the Blessed Mother, and the kindly Saints as well,
I will give glory and praise, and them I cherish the most,
For they have the keys of Heaven, and save the soul from Hell.
But likewise I will spare for the Lord Apollo a grace,
And a bow for the lady Venus-as a friend but not as a thrall.
'Tis true they are out of Heaven, but some day they may win the place;
For gods are kittle cattle, and a wise man honours them all.

Namaste
Paul
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Posted 8/3/2008 12:17 PM (#8352 - in reply to #7305)
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Sorry; I should have clarified with the above poem that Buchan was an historian, amongst other things, so he wrote this poem as if he were writing in in the 9th century (in the book of his poems where it appears, "Poems English and Scots, in the Scots vernacular", it actually subtitled, 9th Century; though Buchan himself was born in the 1875 and after being a lawyer in Britain, went on to be Governor-General of Canada, dying in 1940. He wrote heaps of books, thrillers, histories and biographies; most famous for, The 39 Steps.
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Posted 8/3/2008 12:54 PM (#8355 - in reply to #7305)
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That is such a beautiful poem, P, talk about honoring All...I love that. Thank you!
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Posted 8/3/2008 1:51 PM (#8365 - in reply to #7305)
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Why, thank Thee both kindly,

dear Ladies

of the Infinite Space

Buchan is an acquired taste !

How nice of you, thanks again x
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Posted 8/4/2008 9:35 AM (#8426 - in reply to #8355)
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hi lori love,i have spoken of my love of rainbows,and the desire to have a picture of one in my house,in the centre.Yesterday,i was on the phone to my eldest son,very distressed,and calming him down,with loving words,when i came off the phone,upset,and feeling greatly for him,unbenowns to me,my husband had gone outside our front door,and taken the most wonderful picture of a rainbow,that wasn,t there previous to the call,to me,that is great proof of the divine,god,nature,with her healing colours,all of which as we know are colours of the chakras,this made me smile,love irisx
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Posted 8/4/2008 9:54 AM (#8436 - in reply to #8426)
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.. and for the Norse peoples the Rainbow Bridge - Bifrost - was the bridge between worlds x

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Posted 8/4/2008 10:14 AM (#8443 - in reply to #8426)
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Hi Sunflower, I'm sorry to hear about your troubles, I wouldn't have insuted you so much(in a joking manner of course) had I known.I hope things pick up for you soon as you sound like too nice a person to have all these things happening at the moment.

As for your posts about omens,robins,rainbows etc. I agree with you entirely. My sister used to take my mom on holiday every march and september.On the sept. holiday my mom was promised a flight on a helicoter by some coastguard people they were friendly with when she went again in march. However she died unexpectedly several days before christmas. After her funeral on christmas eve, as we came out of the chapel, the sun was just above the horizon and a really deep color, just then a coastguard helicopter flew across the sun.This was miles away from where she holidayed and we took it as a sign she was with us and finally getting her helicopter ride. Maybe not a bird but it flew. Anyway sorry to go on so I will send you Hugs and  love and Light to you and your Family. As I type a very large Jackdaw has just landed on my windowsill. Syncr/Synchro...Coincidence or what?



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Condolences Chothuni ... how so then the Jackdaw must have heard and resonated with your spirit - no coincidences, I am sure.

Blessings
Paul

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Posted 8/4/2008 10:23 AM (#8449 - in reply to #8448)
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Ha - what timing though - your Jackdaw came just at the right time to find its way onto the J section of the word-game !

Synchronicity abounds (hope you don't mind that ?!)
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Posted 8/4/2008 10:32 AM (#8451 - in reply to #8443)
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hi chot,no offence taken,i have also a quirky sense of humour,which when i read back,at later dates,can seem harsh,but not meant in that way.Iam sorry to hear of your mother,and send love and light to you.I 100% beleive that it was a sign from your mum,telling you she was fine,and the freedom she can now enjoy,and all the things she can do,i think that is beautiful,bird,plane,heliccpter,what matter,only that it is love being sent to you,and the freedom of flying,free as abird.kind regards to all,thankyou,sentiments echoed,okay,i must go,its been nice taking to all on here today,and i can rest with my candles and peace now,as i do every afternoon,for an hour,love to all,love irisx
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Posted 8/4/2008 10:36 AM (#8452 - in reply to #7320)
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Such lovely responses here thanks everyone ... reflecting back to sea-shells, have we yet remarked or noticed the similarity in form between the spiralling design of many sea-shells, the spiralling designs of many constellations, the spiralling designs in our own fingerprints ... ? The spiral has often been used especially by Celts, but I also saw it in Peru, by primal peoples as symbols of the sacred and the unconscious ...

I was wondering then, is it, the spiral, something like the signature of God, Blessed Be S/He ?

Or does that sound too way out ?
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Rest well Iris x
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My dear sweet friends....

I entirely agree and believe wholeheartedly that those gorgeous visions in the skies were the Divine's gifts to you my pretty Iris and wonderful Ch, as a confirmation and a validation of your beliefs...as a message of comfort....I know when my Webster crossed over the Bridge we were given our validation that very night in the form of my photo here...a breathtaking double rainbow in the desert sky.

Love to you all!
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Nice that a number of new folk have signed on recently, or others returned ... thought I would take a little time to highlight one or two old threads (not clothes!) that I personally have found illuminating .. here is one ...

.. and another personal 'proof', would be intuitive questions or remarks made to one by others that strike a very deep chord, without them realizing it (as happened to me today via a very kind and lovely question to me in a private message; thank you) x

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Researching and editing the selective edition of the Tibetan epic Gesar




Gesar is a great heroic epic created collectively by Tibetans. For thousands of years, it has been circulating far and wide within Tibetan areas and has been loved by Tibetans. Gesar represents an historical pinnacle of ancient Tibet. betan culture. As not only a crystallization of Tibetan's intelligence, but also a cultural treasure house, Gesar is of high academic and aesthetic value.

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Gesar reflects the significant historical stages and basic social structure in the development of the Tibetan nationality, and it expresses people's lofty aspirations and ideals; it is a history of Tibet in living form and image. Gesar is a great work of encyclopaedic volume, serving research on ancient Tibetan society, history, religious beliefs, communications, moral concepts, customs, habits and folk culture. This great epic has been handed down from generation to generation and has been recited and sung from ancient times to now. It seems the epic may never stop circulating.

Gesar's creation, propagation and development have evolved over a very long time, which is a rare cultural phenomenon in the history of Tibet, in the literary history of our great motherland, and even in the world history of literature. Gesar has had a long time span from its creation and spread to its evolution and development, which demonstrates the epic's great artistic vitality Several important stages of development in the history of Tibetan society influenced Gesar's evolution, The great changes of different historical stages are refleeted in this epic, which makes it even richer. In turn, Gesar has played an important role in pushing forward Tibetan culture of each period. So we can say that Gesar has had a deep and lasting influence on Tibetan culture. Compared with the ancient Greek Epics of Homer, the Indian Epics and other epics in the world, Gesar bears two unique characteristics: first, it has been handed down from generation to generation and widely spread among masses of Tibetans, especially among farmers and herdsman, and is a heroic epic in a living form; second, Gesar is the longest heroic epic in the world, and includes more than 120 sections, one million lines and 20 million words. Gesar is longer than the Ancient Babylonian epic Gilgamesh, the ancient Greek Iliad and Odyssey, and the ancient Indian Ramayana and Mahabhrata. Gesar's two unique features are related to the folk artists who still sing and recite the classic. These excellent artists are real innovators, successors and propagandists, so Gesar can be spread widely beyond the "Roof of the World."

Gesar has flooded landlocked Tibet in a special way How can an illiterate farmer or herdsman living in a remote village or pastoral area tell more than 100,000 epic stories and recite millions of lines of poetry? If these epic lyrics were recorded in entirety, they would make up several dozen thick books . How do cmmon Tibetans learn to sing and remember the lines? Such an artistic gift is amazing. Furthermore, researchers are puzzled by the mystery of their memory However, so far, we haven't found a scientific and believable explanation for the phenomenon . As for their amazing memories, someone has called these Tibetan bards "magic men." The existence of cross-generational artistic groups, likewise, is a very special culture feature of Tibetan history The puzzle of the memory of these Tibetan singers and their process of succession remains an important subject that needs further research.

Due to historical reasons, this great epic has never been collected and collated in a systematic and planned way; a complete edition of the work has not come out yet. So many readers can't fully understand Gesar's profound and colorful content or appreciate its unique artistic charm. Many experts and scholars can only explore the epic and research it from different angles and at different levels.

After the founding of the People's Republic of China, a large-scale plan to collect and arrange works on Gesar was carried out in an organized way from the 1950s t0 tne 19905. The work was done with the support and care of the government and the active participation of various nationalities. As a cultural project spanning the new century, this work will continue. Since 1983, the arrangement ofGesar and its academic research has been listed as a key national scientific research item three times, during the sixth "Five-Year Plan," the seventh "Five-Year Plan" and the eighth "Five-Year Plan." During the ninth "Five-Year Plan," the editing and publishing of 40 selected volumes were considered important tasks and key to promoting comprehensive research on Gesar.

This work involves a vast array of materials and in depth arrangement, a long period of research and large numbers of participants, and has gained influence and obvious achievements. It is also a rare phenomenon in the development of national culture and folk literature in China.

Many theoretical, academic and practical issues have been put forward in this work that have lasted for half a century. These issues, in turn, have inspired us to deepen our research.

We possess rich and vivid first-hand materials that other countries do not have access to. Our academic research is built on a solid foundation, so in this field, we should make our due contribution to the development of world epics.

During our research on and publishing of Gesar, we have also carried out various academic activities, encouraged artists to give performances and, since 1989, have held four international symposiums on Gesar. Gesar's influence on international academic circles is expanding and selected sections and stories ofGesar have been translated into English, Russian, French, German, Japanese, Italian, Indian and Finn. Research on Gesar is now an international subject and will continue developing.

Currently, a work group on Gesar bringing together the mature, the middle-aged and the young has been established in China. Most people in this group are Tibetan, along with other nationalities, such as the Hans, Mongolian, Tu and Hui. Their research field covers singing and reciting, collecting, arranging, translating and publishing King Gesar and other academic studies. Many domestic and foreign scholars believe that this work has been developing so fast that it has become one of the most active projects in China's Tibet studies circles and even in folk literature circles. A scientific research system for Gesar with China's characteristics has been formed and will continue to develop. People have come to realize Gesar's great potential as a subject and its rich cultural connotation. So it will play an important role and exert profound influence in the course of expanding and developing Tibet's outstanding cultural tradition and in constructing a new national culture.

The collecting and arrangement of Gesar continues. Parts of Gesar have been preserved in handwritten copies, wood-carved editions or oral versions passed down from previous generations, so varying editions have emerged, each of these "variant editions" bears its own characteristics and has its own audience. Furthermore, each is worthy of being handed down for its unique meaning and values, and can not be replaced. Folk artists say the stories of the hero King Gesar are as "colorful as the hairs of a variegated horse". There are hundreds of volumes in sections and variant editions of Gesar extant in Tibet. No epic in the world has had such magnificent momentum. Gesar, rich in content, has circulated widely, and is deeply loved by the people. However, great difficulties exist in reading and appreciating this great epic, because no reader can grasp and absorb such an enormous amount of material, even professional researchers. Because such a large amount of vivid firsthand materials, and variant editions are now scattered across Tibet, it's very important to select excellent and essential sections and to publish selected volumes that reflect Gesar's theme, basic contents, major plot, artisty and overall style and features.

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This selected edition should bear the cultural elegance and distinctive characteristics of the nationality, region and times. It should embody inherent thought, social meaning and artistic charm in a centralized, prominent, and strong way, becoming an encyclopaedia of ancient Tibetan society and history It should focus on showing the great achievments and academic research in this field of the 20th century, especially since the founding of the People's Republic of China. This is our contribution to the new century and new millennium. Today, due to profound social reform in Tibetan society and rapid development of science and technology, the ancient epic Gesar has been preserved in complete form. Gesar will be inherited, propagated and enlarged under new historical conditions, so that it will radiate new and brilliant rays in the construction of new Tibetan culture.

This work has caught the attention of various social circles: in 1988 and 1990, representatives of the National People's Congress and members of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference put forward proposals that our country should give great support to the Gesar work, allocate special funding for the publication of selected editions of Gesar and make it a formal national-level edition. These proposals were approved by some departments concerned; the plan was formally adopted in 1995 and got special national financial support.

The editing of Gesar requires us not only to retain the innate style and characteristics of folk literature and ofGesar's romantic charm, but also to extract and refine the work to make it more outstanding, strong, appealing and charming. From oral transmission to literary record, Gesar has become an arranged work, making it more convenient to be kept and spread. This is a common rule of all great epics and excellent worldclass folk literary epics with wide popularity. Works such as Homer's Epics, the Indian Epic and the Finish epic Kalvala have basically gone through this process.

We plan to edit and publish forty volumes of Gesar, including the total content of The Heavenly Realm to the Reassuring Three Realms. There are about 20,000 lines of poetry with 400,000 words in each volume. One volume may be divided into two or three sections, amounting to 800,000 lines of poetry with 16 million words. This shows that in spite of our cautious selection, the length of this edition is still very large, and naturally it will be rich in content. As a great epic by nature, Gesar was created through the collective effort of many Tibetans over the course of its development. During Gesar's evolution, many cultural intellectuals, especially scholar monks, participated in its collection, arranging, recording and printing. They made an indelible contribution to Gesar's preservation and propogation. But if we analyze Tibetan society, history, and unique culture, we can see that Gesar emerged by the singing of bards, not by the writing of intellectuals. So over the course of publishing Gesar, we should remember this fundamental characteristic.

An elderly singer we had the fortune to come upon, Grags-pa, turned out to be the most outstanding con- temporary bard of Gesar. He made a remarkable contribution to our collection of Gesar. Before he died, Grags-pa sang 25 volumes, amounting to 600,000 lines of poetry and more than 6 million words. Grags-pa and his extensive knowledge of Gesar represented a valuable cultural heritage and a huge spiritual treasure house. His was the most systematic and complete compilation of Gesar; this fantastic contribution not only reflected people's artist Grags-pa's intelligence and artisftic gift, but also was a crystallization of his life.

This selected edition uses Grags pa's performance of Gesar as its foundation, and consults the singing editions of bSam-grub, Tshe-ring dbang-vdus, gYumed, Ngam-ring, Gu-ru rgyal-mtshan and other bards. It also builds on the advantages of various script copies, carved copies and handwritten copies. As for Gesar's structure, in line with tradition, some sections like the Heavenly Realm, Birth of a Hero, and Winning the Title of a King through Horse Racing are used as a preface to describe the basic framework of the epic, followed by four Histories of Subduing Devils. The heroic deeds performed by Gesar in his subduing of four lords of devils constitute the main body of the epic. If the epic Gesar is regarded as an artistic palace, these four Histories of Subduig Devils are its pillars. And other parts are derived from this architecture. Thus emerged "eighteen larger Dzongs (state),""eighteen middle Dzongs,""eighteen smaller Dzongs", and the edition ends with "Saving Mother from Hell" and the successful reassuring three Realms.

When folk bards are singing and reciting Gesar, they usually summarize the epic with the following three sentences:"The Heavenly Realm sent an envoy to descend to the earthly world; various disputes existed in the middle world; the envoy finished his mission in hell. ""The Heavenly Realm sent an envoy to descend to the earthly world" refers to the idea that all deities discussed matters in the Heavenly Realm and decided to send the son of the Heavenly Deity Gesar to descend to the earthly world to subdue evil spirits. He helped the weak and constrained the strong to save the common people from the sea of bitterness.

The line "Various disputes existed in the middle world" goes through the whole process from Gesar's birth to his return to the Heavenly Realm. This history constitutes the entirety of his heroic deeds and serves as the main part of the epic. "The envoy finished his mission in hell" means that Gesar has finished his mission to save his mother and all suffering sentient creatures from hell, and then he returned to the Heavenly Realm.

This epic introduces the whole life of Gesar, who, regardless of brutal forces and hardships, performed heroic deeds using his amazing willpower and magical power. The work sings the praise of the struggles for justice and brightness to triumph over evil and darkness. And it embodies the themes of subduing evil spirits, punishing evil and praising good, helping the weak, constraining the strong, eliminating the cruel and pacifying the good people, maintaining truth and justice, removing bitterness, unfairness and violence, bringing benefit to common people, and promoting healthy tendencies. These themes run through the whole epic. Because Gesar reflects people's bitterness and strong desire for a beautiful happy life, it arouses strong sympathy. This is the main reason why Gesar has been handed down from generation to generation for such a long time.

This selected edition was compiled with the following artistic structure:the general principle was not only to select the excellent parts and the essence of Gesar while maintaining its original style and cultural details , but also to refine these qualities in order to make them more outstanding, striking and touching, shocking and artistically charming, and readable. This is in the best interests of Gesar's future, propogation and development.

While the China Folk Artist Association was editing Three Collected Sections, the group proposed that the work should be scientific and complete, use representative themes, plots and main characters, and the style of writing should remain unchanged. We should carefully study those principles and carry them out in practice. This selected edition will reflect the highest level and latest results of the contemporary work in this field in China and in the world. It will be tested by time and practice and examined by the masses, as well as by foreign and domestic experts and scholars; it will be handed down forever.

In that case, as with all excellent national culture, the work must not and should not be owned by any one country; it should become part of the common spirit and wealth of future generations of all mankind. It can serve as a guide for translation into Chinese, minority scripts in China and various foreign languages, play an active role in cultural exchanges, and display the outstanding national culture of China to the world. It is our deep belief that Gesar will play a very important role in improving cross-nation cultural exchanges and in increasing friendly comunications and mutual understanding among peoples throughout the world. In this way, Gesar also show its strong artistic vitality.

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These selected volumes have six groups of exquisite illustrations, and contain 250 plates. They were painted in the traditional method of drawing "Thangka." As an important element of Tibetan art, the "Thang-ka"has a very long history. The Tibetan Thangka has close ties with murals: murals are drawn on walls, while the Thang-ka is pained on scrolls. "Thang" means "display" in the Tibetan language, and the contents of murals are displayed to more people in a Thang-ka style. In Lhasa of Tibet and in Gunbum (sKu vbum) Monastery of Qinghai Province, grand ceremonies of "sunning the Buddha" are held on important festivals every year. During this period, rare and large Thang kas collected in monasteries will be displayed to Buddhist monks, nuns and the masses.

The art of the Tibetan Thang-ka absorbs the essence and characteristics of painting from the ancient Central Plains and India. The Thang-ka borrows from styles of painting from all over the world, as well as from traditional Chinese painting. It differs not only from oil paintings, but also from traditional Chinese paintings and mural art. It is not simple imitation and duplicaton of murals, but a unique artistic form created by Tibetans. It combines Eastern and Western art and bears distinctive national and local characteristics, so it is loved deeply by Tibetans. In China and even in the world, the Thang-ka occupies a certain position in the history of painting. The Thangka is characterized by its approach, design and lines. The pigments used in its painting are also very special. For hundreds of years, Thangka art has been introduced to the world, and loved and praised by people of various nationalities at home and abroad.

Today, the best-known and influential museums and art galleries all preserve Tibetan Thang-kas and hold Thang-ka exhibitions. It has become in fashion to collect Thang-kas of different periods, schools and styles. In content, the traditional Thang-ka focuses Tibetan primitive and folk religion, and sings the praises of sacred mountains and lakes the, "Bon Religion" and Buddhism. Most painters of Thang-ka are common people; therefore the art of the Thang-ka is very closely related to colorful Tibetan folk culture.

The Thangka has close ties with Gesar. Before the appearance of handwritten and wood-carved copies of Gesar, the great heroic epic was circulated only by the singing and reciting of folk bards. In order to strengthen their performance, make the audience feel Gesar's appeal and attract more people, some clever bards drew paintings of characters and stories within Gesar. When they were singing and talking, they used pictures, as props. These were early Gesar Thang-ka, and have become a specialart form "Drum Tang (sgrung thang)." "Drum" means the story of Gesar; "Tang" means Thang-ka. "Drum Tang" has the meaning of Thang-ka paintings focused on Gesar.

In the beginning, the bards creations looked very rough. But with artistic practice, and maturing painting skills, many artisic masterpieces emerged.

As the best bard-painters emerged ,the common people began calling them "Lha-bri-ba" in Tibetan. They make a living by painting stories from Gesar and Buddhist scriptures. The epic Gesar and beautiful art ofThang-ka complement each other, creating a stronger artistic effect. Both are fine works and treasures of Tibetan art.

However, due to a long period of feudal serfdom, a time of confusion over political and religious affairs in Tibetan society, theocracy occupied a ruling position in the ideological field, and its negative influence permeated every type of art. So generally speaking, the traditional art ofThang-ka takes deities and Buddhist themes as its main body and content, mostly adopting from stories in Buddhist scriptures. When they go to monasteries to see Thang-ka and murals, they will feel constrained and awed rather than enjoying the beauty According to our design, we should innovate and develop painted illustrations of Gesar on the basis of traditional art. As to themes, we should transform from religions themes to secular ones. We should reform and create methods of expression by absorbing advantages of other painting forms and fusing modern sensibilities and the spirit of the times in order to embody the colorful content of Gesar.

Each illustration can express a certain plot in the Gesar story and the value and meaning of independent existence. However, the illustrations as a whole can also display basic thoughts and the major plot in Gesar and become a complete pictorial biography of Gesar.

Those who painted these illustrations are folk painters in the Tongren District ofHuangnan Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture, in Qinghai Province, the birthplace of Tibetan "Rab-gong Art."

It is our hope that the old art of Thang-ka will be given a new artistic life because of the illustrations painted in this selected volume. It will embody the spirit of the times and shine brilliantly through the painting of illustrations.

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The process of collecting and arranging Gesar, and academic research, are connected in a systematic project. Like the Talking Textbooks on Gesar written by excellent artists in the eighth "Five-Year Plan/'the new edition serves as a link between the past and the future. It is a very important responsibility to edit and publish a 40-volume selected edition, which is a remarkable work that serves as a milestone in the field. But this selective edition does not include the whole work of Gesar; much other important work remains to be done. We should continue to collect, arrange and publish artists' singing and reciting. establish data centers, foster talented persons, engaged in academic studies, translation and cultural exchanges.

The publishing of the selected edition will not influence or hinder the existence oferlier editions, such as artists' sung, recited, handwritten and wood-carved copies. Our selected edition is only a part of the enormous academic work that needs to be done on Gesar. Given the right conditions, opportunity and I interest, we will publish other editions. This selected edition will push forward, not hinder, academic research on Gesar and the publication of other meaningful editions.





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Wondering if this fundamental idea of symmetry is another very loud example of God speaking

... and 22 guests as I type: hello all
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Just came across this quote from The Koran:

"Surely in the heavens and the earth there are signs for the faithful: in your own creation, and in the beasts that are scattered far and near, signs for the true believers, in the alternations of night and day, in the sustenance Allah sends down from heaven with which he revives the earth after its death, and in the marshalling of the winds, signs for men [and women!] of understanding"

Cited in a lovely book called, 'The Golden Thread - words of hope for a changing world', Shepheard-Walwyn Publishers, London 2000.

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"Surely in the heavens and the earth there are signs for the faithful: in your own creation, and in the beasts that are scattered far and near, signs for the true believers, in the alternations of night and day, in the sustenance Allah sends down from heaven with which he revives the earth after its death, and in the marshalling of the winds, signs for men [and women!] of understanding"

By Paul Joseph

Peace to you Paul...One Source, different paths. If I may add to the signs. There is a proverb in Hausa language: "Allah Guda Gari Banban", meaning: "One God different Cities." Apologies for the haphazard translation,and may be interruption.

Peace!

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Posted 10/8/2008 3:47 PM (#10930 - in reply to #10927)
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Dearest Danjummai - any interruption is a highway to the Way ....

Thank you for the proverb - did you see the John Masefield poem I copied over ages back, The Seekers?

'Friends and loves we have none

nor hope, nor blessed abode, but the hope of the City of God, at the other end of the road ...

... we seek the Eternal City that we shall never find '

One house, many mansions,

Many fingers uniting and finding their home in the our hand

Peace to You





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Posted 10/24/2008 8:39 AM (#11518 - in reply to #10930)
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When God Paints. . .



He uses all His colors!
Make it an awesome day.

(doh ! posted some wonderful pictures here that someone sent me but they didn't come out ....; oh well, we'll all just have to imagine what it might look like ...sorry )




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Posted 10/24/2008 10:17 AM (#11519 - in reply to #7305)
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I'm looking at a beautiful sunrise right now....
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Posted 10/24/2008 11:56 AM (#11524 - in reply to #11519)
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Ahah Kirsten - synchronicity was ever thus:

Sunrises and sunsets are some of the best paintings ....

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Posted 10/29/2008 2:33 PM (#11743 - in reply to #7305)
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This for me is a PERSONAL...."personal proof of God" I prefer to call it a "personal time in the FIELD of God and the Angels"

It was Thanksgiving 1991 and time to make a long awaited trip from Colorado home to the midwest. It had been quite some time since I had seen my mom and dad!

My mother has always been there to listen, never judge, over the years as I shared my unusual spiritual experiences with her. I knew, when I arrived that year that something was different. After a short time of hugs and small talk my mother pulled me aside in the kitchen and said, " I think your dad is sick. Can you do that hand-scan thing and see if you pick up anything?" She seemed sceptical yet hopeful in the same breath.

I asked my father, who by the way always thought I was WAY OUT THERE, to step into the kitchen for a moment. After convincing him to stand still long enough for me to run my hands over his energy field, I hugged him and sent him back to his westerns on the Tube.

Looking at my mother, I broke into tears and said, its cancer mom.

We were able to get my father into the doctor right away. Present were my sister, brother, mother and I and ofcourse Dad. Colon cancer, stage four, metastisized to liver and lungs. Not long.

Back to the midwest I moved. My sister, brother and I took turns in being with our father. Having been a man who never missed work, the hardest for him was staying still, even after his legs would no longer support his body.

The home I grew up in had two bedrooms, one bath, a small kitchen and a living room. It was so small that I could see into the master bedroom from the kitchen. Dad liked to lay in his bed knowing mom would be laying next to him. He really refused to lay in the hospital bed Hospice had placed in the living room. It was late March, I was handwashing the dishes when all the hair on my arms and neck stood up. I turned and looked toward the bedroom where dad lay. It was lit up brightly, tho no lights were ON in his part of the house. I slowly walked to the door and I saw a circle of white light and what looked like Angels holding hands around my father!

I knew his time was coming soon. The Angels helped me so much during my exhausting time with dad. In trying to help mom sleep, I would sit with dad as he rocked on the side of the bed, arms held up as if driving to work, and he drove and he drove, on and on for hours. If he had to urinate, he would only stand, no weak legs, mental incapacity, or exhausted caregiver would tell him otherwise. He could not sit or stand on his own, so many hours of sitting, standing, hold him up ( he was 6'4 tall and use to weigh 230 pounds but by now was down to 180) on and on it went.

I would put one hand on his knee to feel if he was going to try to stand, and then lay my head on my other arm to rest. The Angels would call LOUDLY in my head " KAREN - KAREN - KAREN" And I would waken just in time to catch him from falling backward where he would have hit his head on the headboard, or trying to stand, falling forward into the dresser. They were with me often his last few days, waking me from a full sleep, if I had gone to another room ( entrusting his care to mom or my siblings) Always waking me in time to alert me to his need, others having fallen into slumber, awakening me to keep him from harm.

His last day we had decided to move him to the hospital bed in the living room. He was no longer trying to get up and it was easier on the backs of us caregivers, who changed him, cleaned him, Loved him.

My mother had always been a woman of faith. My father always said he did not believe in God. (I knew better but, that is what he said) Yet, he had asked my mother, when he was still able to talk, for us to sing Amazing Grace to him when it was his time.

Dad now in a morphine stupor, death rattle in his throat, tears in OUR eyes we began our song. On the last note, he took his last breath and each one of us standing around my father SAW the white puff of his life force leave his body and rise.

Stillness. You can certainly tell when God is plugged into a human being and when they vacate their body!

Grassrootsmystic
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Posted 10/30/2008 8:38 AM (#11759 - in reply to #7305)
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Hmm ... interesting Kiddo .. I have been musing on these proofs all morning, coming back to them and wondering if to post my response or not ... coming back again, like a moth to a flame, I cannot resist any more to say,

yes - but ! Ha ....

both of those two proofs can also reveal the dark side of God too, or one might say, the 'playful' aspect - if play is taken in its broadest sense - in my experience anyhow
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Posted 10/30/2008 11:28 AM (#11795 - in reply to #7305)
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Childbirth definitely consists of being both close to (one with ) and far away from (feeling the absence of )God at the same time. It teaches you faith and hope and trust, you experience fear,

anxiety and elation, all the ultimate vulnerabilities for sure!!!!

Falling in love manifests the same emotions!
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Posted 10/30/2008 11:29 AM (#11796 - in reply to #11795)
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Absolutely my response too Lori resonation resonation

childbrith and love as the via negativas .... eureka

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Posted 10/30/2008 11:32 AM (#11798 - in reply to #7305)
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Amen

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Posted 10/30/2008 12:02 PM (#11813 - in reply to #11798)
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ah-women !
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Posted 10/30/2008 12:03 PM (#11814 - in reply to #7305)
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Holy Cleverness, mission man!

That was a good one!
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Posted 10/30/2008 12:05 PM (#11816 - in reply to #11814)
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My mission, 'should [you] decide to accept it', is to be just that (good) !!!

how far to fly ....

............... I love it when a plan comes together ... !

Gotta go now

Blessed Be

ooer - the font has gone all weird ... must be Hallowe'en !

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Posted 10/30/2008 4:40 PM (#11838 - in reply to #7305)
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Your mission! You're Mission!

Love it, either way!
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Posted 10/31/2008 5:39 AM (#11853 - in reply to #7305)
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Don't know that song Cara, but sounds about right to me ...

God is also in the dirty rest room
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Posted 11/5/2008 4:07 AM (#12102 - in reply to #7305)
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Ha - don't think we've had that one yet, Professor Pleroma...
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Posted 12/1/2008 4:22 AM (#12612 - in reply to #7305)
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This thread is the one I just mentioned ...
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Posted 12/1/2008 5:53 AM (#12626 - in reply to #12612)
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ah,these old threads i loved,full of warmth,knowledge,humour,etc,where bonds where formed,maybe i,m just morose,nah,i have an enquiring mind,and a thirst for knowledge,i also have too go,(please don,t cheer so loudly)the vibes are shaking,i have to get on with my project,as the welsh would say,bore da,hwyl,nice to be in touch,we must all be together again soon,all two of us,and rejoice,irisx
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Posted 12/1/2008 5:55 AM (#12627 - in reply to #12626)
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by by then Sunbeam ... shine shine your light elsewhere x
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Posted 12/2/2008 2:44 AM (#12640 - in reply to #12627)
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your not saying in polite prose,bog off are you p of rings,haha!
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Posted 12/2/2008 3:36 AM (#12642 - in reply to #12640)
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oh my goodness my gosh oh no I was, au contraire, sending you a farewell blessing ... ah me, misunderstood as ever .... back to the drawing Board .... sorry for a confusing massage

(sir) pea of the rings erstwhile of quixote-dom
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Posted 12/3/2008 4:06 AM (#12658 - in reply to #12642)
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ah now you didn,t tell me you do massages as well!!!!! sir pea of the rings,i love french,au revoirre,is that right spelling,can,t speak,or understand french,but these phrases come to mind,sure theres a u somewhere in that french bit,never mind,strange how we can sometimes look at something,or read something that we have no knowledge about,yet we subconciously understand,enough rantings for now,as i say au revourrie,think the first was closer,x
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Posted 12/3/2008 4:14 AM (#12659 - in reply to #12642)
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sorry already done my revoirres,but under thread prose,proofs of God,sun shone through brightly this morning through a sea of dark cloud,i find that beutiful,how the sky is covered in dark grey cloud,yet for a moment theres a parting,and the sun still manages to smile,if just for a second,bit ,or a lot like life i suppose,the sun smiled at me in my dakest hour,and hope was rekindled,au r again,irisx
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Posted 1/8/2009 8:50 AM (#12989 - in reply to #12659)
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As some are very busy I found this thread, being the one I just referred to: page 1 contains the snowflake, and other miracles and page 2, the poem I cited in response to Lyonna's 'Forest Gods' thread: Wood Magic, by John Buchan.

... and I might add to this, today, this morning, breaking ice at the blessed Pond, there were some amazing refractions in the thickest parts as the ice broke; just as if it contained the rainbow, hiding and waiting to be found or released ...

another daily miracle buried in the every moment of every day x

ps, hi Sunlfower - hope you are feeling better - missed responding to your post on this thread before - please forgive me

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Paul Joseph
Posted 4/22/2009 6:38 AM (#14622 - in reply to #8339)
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Ah I thought so .... somewhere on this old tattered thread I posted synchcronicity, serendipity, or plain old coincidence as a personal proof of God (ie, linking with Katrina & DocJ's recent postings on this)
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Katrina
Posted 4/22/2009 8:35 PM (#14625 - in reply to #7305)
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Lots to read - I'll def. come back here later this evening after the kids are in bed! Thanks for the ref.
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Paul Joseph
Posted 4/23/2009 5:02 AM (#14632 - in reply to #14625)
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Glad to be of service !
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Paul Joseph
Posted 7/17/2009 6:04 AM (#16005 - in reply to #14632)
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just rummaging around in the old threads under the floor-Boards and found this, just thought I'd repost for fun
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Wendy Rose
Posted 7/17/2009 4:18 PM (#16015 - in reply to #7305)
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"The Wood Magic," poem I loved, thank you! I agree completely with the sentiment as well.
Blessed be,
Wendy Rose
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zansrunner
Posted 7/17/2009 9:03 PM (#16018 - in reply to #7305)
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I can tell you one miracle you may see as a proof of God. When a babe is born everyone watches the baby. Watch the mothers face when her baby is, first, given to her.
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Posted 7/17/2009 9:35 PM (#16019 - in reply to #7305)
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For you PJay, Sunspot and all my British Friends:
NOAH TODAY

In the year 2008, the Lord came unto Noah,
Who was now living in England and said:
"Once again, the earth has become wicked and over
-populated, and I see the end of all flesh before me."

"Build another Ark and save 2 of every living thing
Along with a few good humans."

He gave Noah the blueprints, saying:
"You have 6 months to build the
Ark before I will
Start the unending rain for 40 days and 40 nights."

Six months later, the Lord looked down and saw Noah
Weeping in his yard - but no
Ark.
"Noah!," He roared, "I'm about to start the rain!
Where is the
Ark?"
"Forgive me, Lord," begged Noah, "but things have changed."

"I needed a Building Permit."

"I've been arguing with the Boat Inspector
About the need for a sprinkler system."

"My neighbours claim that I've violated the
Neighbourhood Bye-Laws by building the
Ark in my
Back garden and exceeding the height limitations. We had to
Go to the Local Planning Committee for a decision."

"Then the Local Council and the Electricity Company demanded a shed load of money for the future costs of moving power
Lines and other overhead obstructions, to clear the
Passage for the
Ark's move to the sea. I told them
That the sea would be coming to us, but they would
Hear nothing of it."

"Getting the wood was another problem. There's a ban
On cutting local trees in order to save the Greater Spotted Barn Owl."

"I tried to convince the environmentalists that I
Needed the wood to save the owls - but no go!"

"When I started gathering the animals the RSPCA took me to court. They insisted that I was
Confining wild animals against their will. They
Argued the accommodations were too restrictive, and
It was cruel and inhumane to put so many animals in
A confined space."

"Then the Environmental Agency ruled that I couldn't build the
Ark until they'd conducted an environmental impact study
On your proposed flood."

"I'm still trying to resolve a complaint with the
Human Rights Commission on how many minorities I'm
Supposed to hire for my building crew."
"Immigration are checking the
Visa status of most of the people who want to work."

"The trades unions say I can't use my sons. They
Insist I have to hire only Union workers with
Ark-building experience."

"To make matters worse, the Inland Revenue seized all my assets, claiming I'm trying to leave the country illegally
With endangered species."

"So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least 10
Years for me to finish this
Ark."

"Suddenly the skies cleared, the sun began to shine,
And a rainbow stretched across the sky."


Noah looked up in wonder and asked,
"You mean you're not going to destroy the world?"
"No," said the Lord.
" Gordon Brown and the Government beat me to it."

This is my personal proof that God exists......
Peace and Love to you all,
Marty and Parliament Cats, Conservative Lucky, Tory Poppy and Labour Sissy
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Zen&AlxM.
Posted 7/18/2009 12:56 AM (#16035 - in reply to #7305)
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Aurora Borealis..
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Posted 7/18/2009 2:44 AM (#16044 - in reply to #16019)
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i absolutely love that mr m,so true,you are a very clever and observant person,spiritualy,and academicaly,i love your spiritual side,wellall sides really,peace be with you,and your cats irisx
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Paul Joseph
Posted 7/28/2009 5:06 PM (#16215 - in reply to #16015)
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Just spotted your reply Wendy Rose ... thanks ... John Buchan was fascinating on many levels. Glad the poem touched a chord x
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Absolute Sovereigncy
Posted 7/29/2009 2:38 PM (#16257 - in reply to #16019)
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Looks like I've touched some souls. Funny piece M.
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Paul Joseph
Posted 7/29/2009 4:13 PM (#16265 - in reply to #16257)
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AbSo - not sure where you read that into this thread (your 'touched some souls' ) ? Did you think this thread is about you ? It was begun many moons ago, before I remember you posting

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Absolute Sovereigncy
Posted 7/29/2009 8:10 PM (#16271 - in reply to #16265)
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Could be about me, or you or everyone. Its all holographic. After all, "we're all one" except for certain distinctions, right? Or is that "juicy judgments."

Judge away, I don't care. I'm innocent any you look at it. So are we all. When there is no rights, who cares?

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Paul Joseph
Posted 3/14/2010 5:17 PM (#19018 - in reply to #16271)
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Stones - crystals - rainbows - ice
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Zen&AlxM.
Posted 3/15/2010 9:00 PM (#19040 - in reply to #7305)
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Mirrors.. ;P

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Paul Joseph
Posted 3/16/2010 1:02 PM (#19046 - in reply to #19040)
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Funny you should say that ZaM ... one day in the thick frozen ice of the wild pond, I saw encrusted in it, a rainbow .... call it refraction if you like, but it was there, whichever way I turned it .... in its distorted, mirrored, and so transient way .... it is a miracle God bothers to take such infinite care with such transitoriness ... but then again, how transitory are we .... and how infinite?
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Zen&AlxM.
Posted 3/18/2010 3:37 AM (#19067 - in reply to #7305)
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i was meaning like just looking at yourself in a mirror but that sounds pretty cool aswell
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Paul Joseph
Posted 3/18/2010 10:37 AM (#19073 - in reply to #19067)
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Cool it certainly was ...
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Zen&AlxM.
Posted 3/19/2010 1:02 AM (#19078 - in reply to #7305)
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I remember seeing a picture of a frozen wave once upon a time, I'm finding this place to be extremly cool pardon the pun please don't punish me for it, ogollygoshgiggalygoo this place never ceases to amaze you two?
hmmm~speaking of cool things P-J this site has gotten very chilli : o)

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Allen
Posted 3/19/2010 10:18 AM (#19083 - in reply to #16005)
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Paul started this thread as Some personal proofs of God. For me, Life in general, and my being alive specifically, is such proof. The fact that we have evolved into Sentient beings is such proof.

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Paul Joseph
Posted 3/19/2010 6:54 PM (#19085 - in reply to #19083)
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Ah ... but then, how do we know we are sentient beings ?
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Posted 3/20/2010 3:28 AM (#19087 - in reply to #7305)
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the proof is in the pudding
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Allen
Posted 3/20/2010 11:30 AM (#19089 - in reply to #19085)
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In my dictionary Sentient - "responsive to or conscious of sense impressions." I think that also includes self awareness.

Or perhaps the Buddhist are right, everything is just an illusion. Brings to mind the movie, "The Matrix".
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Paul Joseph
Posted 3/20/2010 12:35 PM (#19091 - in reply to #19089)
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kind of what I had in 'Mind' ... Allen ...

.... now then ZaM ... Pudding Lane/Great Fire of London/Steak and kidney pudding/Georgie Georgie pudding and pie, kissed the girls and made them cry/pudding chops/pudding and custard/spotted dick/suet pudding and chips (French fries)
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Paul Joseph
Posted 11/12/2010 8:29 AM (#20660 - in reply to #7305)
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... and this one's a hoot ....
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Posted 11/12/2010 9:44 PM (#20669 - in reply to #20660)
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Paul Joseph
Posted 11/14/2010 10:43 AM (#20690 - in reply to #20669)
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hmmmm .... maybe 'opinions' are a mask of God ?
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