Aleister Crowley's LAM
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Posted 5/9/2008 9:31 AM (#5039 - in reply to #5038)
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Neat web-site you have NE, by the way.
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Posted 5/9/2008 9:40 AM (#5040 - in reply to #5038)
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Posted 5/9/2008 9:52 AM (#5043 - in reply to #5040)
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Back to this AC guy, is LAM that trance track, 'Like a Metaphysician' ?
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Posted 5/9/2008 10:12 AM (#5044 - in reply to #5038)
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LAM is the name of the being Aleister Crowley said to of communed with.
The subject of Aleister Crowley itself, can go on quite a while here.
Im interested in Lam, and the "Secret Chiefs", and in what information others may have.
I think this subject can evolve into a myriad of other subjects and want to see where it leads.
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Posted 5/9/2008 10:48 AM (#5047 - in reply to #5044)
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Sorry, I was being playful. Back to serious then.

Misunderstandingly yours

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Posted 5/9/2008 11:24 AM (#5049 - in reply to #5047)
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Ok more seriously; I had never taken up much with AC, mainly because of his own, as i understood it, self-definition as a magus more into sorcery and what used to be termed 'black' magic, or the art of personal aggrandisement. But I am open to correction if I have misunderstood. As for 'secret chiefs', i wonder if that has anything to do with the idea of the 'Masters of Wisdom', a term used by J G Bennet, a student of Gurdjeiff's in the early 1900s. Bennet travelled widely in the Middle East himself (as had Gurdjeiff) and claimed to have uncovered a line of Wisdom teachers, called the Naq'shbandis, who were Sufi, but also that these Wisdom scholars had links with Western traditions (hence, i guess, that other - sorry, dreadful - book The Secret, of which i shall say no more), and that there was this line of Wisdom teaching going back through, eg, Shakespeare, Da Vinci (oh no not that book too, again!) .... and that it was a hidden esoteric school for reasons as discussed on other threads ... Bennet wrote his book, The Masters of Wisdom, in around 1976 (I think, may need checking), could have been written earlier but published posthumously, as he had been concerned too about too much disclosure (he had also been a high ranking soldier & industrialist) - interesting, becuase I sometimes wonder if the present East-West conflicts, including the Iraq war, etc. might have something to do with some kind of assault on esoterism. The Naq'shnadi were based in what was formerly Persia, now Iraq.

Going wider and deeper, and in line with sacred archaeology (eg, Graham Hancock, i think is the researcher); that the pyramids, again, east, west and underwater, are the vestiges of the Atlantean culture, some of which were either build as siting stones for that earlier culture, or as warning indicators for future generations; thus the 'Secret Chiefs' or Masters of Wisdom, contained a lineage of teaching of the Science of the Sacred as a protection for mankind's dark times. But some of this becomes slightly speculative, although not that much so, if the connections are made. Erikson's researches on 'Atlantis in America' are also of interest.
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Posted 5/9/2008 12:43 PM (#5053 - in reply to #5038)
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I've always been very drawn to Crowley, finding him to be often misunderstood by those who have never taken the time to read his works. But..that's not what you asked about, haha!

Anyway, as far as the entity LAM is concerned...seems I read something somewhere (sorry forget the reference) that LAM is a being doing, in essence, lightwork through an interdimensional connection with the Andromeda galaxy. If I remember correctly, that was an assumption based not on Crowley's connection to the entity but a later "channeling" by someone else. There's also an offshoot of the OTO specifically dealing with this type of contact, which I find rather interesting, but I don't know too much about them. Just what I've read online.

If you want a personal opinion, Aleister opened up a lot of portals and communed with a multitude of beings. The fact that the famous LAM artwork resembles what most consider an extraterrestrial representation...well, I wouldn't be surprised if he figured out a way to magickally open a door in time and space and commune with beings from other galaxies.

So I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for a more deeper discussion...if that's the case, then I can pipe in later!!

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Posted 5/9/2008 1:11 PM (#5059 - in reply to #5038)
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I have not learned a great deal about AC either. While I had some of his books, I have never gotten around to reading them. Shame on me, but I had a HUGE collection of books, since i once owned a metaphysical a book store. Since then, most my books were sold, and I did not get the chance to read many of them.

I do know about channel guides, and while this is about LAM and I am very interested, i also want to mention Abraham. Another entity that gave Esther and Jerry Hicks their incredible information about our universe. I have listened to those audio books and can relate to what you are talking about.

I am a huge believer in channeling information from higher sources. I cannot wait to learn more here. I did find this link for those who want to know a little.

http://www.excludedmiddle.com/LAMstatement.html
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Posted 5/9/2008 4:56 PM (#5060 - in reply to #5053)
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My comments were tempered with some knowledge of Crowley over my 54 years in this life of spiritual seeking. I do not need to have read, though, Mein Kampf, to understand Hitler; " ... Finally there was Aleister Crowley, a remarkable and demonic magician whose career brought ruin to many others as well as himself .... Crowley was convinced he was ..[Shakespeare] himself .. he was obsessed by sex ... " [there is more, but it only underlines my point] (this from 'The Supernatural' by Colin Wilson, Parragon Books 1994). That was the first book I could find on my shelf that contained the Crowley material I remembered, but there are others. For some reason, more recently, Crowley seems clearly to have developed a following. Not everyone who has offered themselves as leaders on the spiritual path have had the best of intentions, however.

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Posted 5/9/2008 6:20 PM (#5065 - in reply to #5038)
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Paul?

I wasn't directing my comment to anyone in particular...just making a general statement. But since you brought it up, where Crowley is concerned, reading what others have said (most of the time biased, sometimes just downright false), or looking at those who claim to be his followers (aka Brian Warner) rather than perusing at least a fair amount of his own body of work will not tell anyone much about him, his practices or his beliefs. I have done my own fair amount of Spiritual study and I can tell you with absolute certainty he is NOT the 'demon' he is made out to be. His body of work is vast and full of esoteric knowledge as well as physics, mathematics, poetry, plays, novels, etc. I will be the first to admit, he's not for everyone, though, and it is certainly one's own choice as to whether his works should be explored. I can only speak to the fact that he is one of the greatest guides I have encountered on my Spiritual path.

I shall leave you with this...

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law...



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Posted 5/9/2008 6:41 PM (#5067 - in reply to #5065)
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... I have put away my reference book, and its past my bedtime here in the UK, but can dig out more history tomorrow relating to the events of Crowley's life if anyone likes. His 'Do what thou wilt' is actually a crib from St Augustine's, 'Love God, and do what you will'. His is the kind of powerful spirit that I like to feel protected from in meditation. But if you find it helpful Molly, then, so be it - no offence meant!
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Posted 5/9/2008 9:21 PM (#5070 - in reply to #5038)
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No offense taken....I was merely stating an opposing opinion.
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Posted 5/9/2008 11:29 PM (#5073 - in reply to #5038)
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This has all been great so far!
I had more more, but took it back, haha

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Posted 5/10/2008 1:23 AM (#5078 - in reply to #5038)
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Hmmmm.....the AC that I know is the dude who was instrumental in the birth of The Golden Dawn. I know this because of Rosicrucian teachings and that he was into Tarot. A chick liked him and did some drawings of Tarot...the drawings for some "mysterious" reasons wound up with Arthur Edward Waite, and Waite created the Rider Tarot deck, of which I have an original set. But, Crowley also had Frieda Harris on the side, much closer to him than USA Pamela somebody (I honestly don't remember her name and could look it up but I am too lazy, let us just say Waite's babe) and he created another set based on Egyptian imagery and the Book of Thoth.

Crowley wrote 777, as the Roseys have their Liber 777 as a fundamental text.

I do not have Crowley's cards, nor do I want them. His 666 persona, in his later years, only convinces me that he was what he was, a ........but I will leave the final words in my mind up to your imagination.

The Rider deck is the deck that I am most comfortable with, having experienced 13 others that I have. Absolutely upset by spreads, I developed a variation of the celtic cross which I call
the roman cross. This spread I can read with a 99% success rate.

And yaknow, that is dammmm good for me, as I have no psychic or clairvoyant ability whatsoever.........but I will match any other reader any day, any place and any time!

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Posted 5/10/2008 2:45 AM (#5082 - in reply to #5078)
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ahh, muppet,fighting talk,seems someones got your goat,of course u,ve got physic abilities,everyone has the ability,some choose to abuse,physic,and all the other associated links,to do with spiritual,which is to me just simple intuition,that gut feeling,each to his or her own,i use tarot cards,for my own info,and communication,amazing accuracy,just as intuition.
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Posted 5/10/2008 3:18 AM (#5083 - in reply to #5038)
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On further research, youll find that the Hermetic order of the Golden Dawn will take us to Mathers, and a whole array of dramatic events, and bring us again to the secret chiefs, and LAM.
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Posted 5/10/2008 4:23 AM (#5092 - in reply to #5038)
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http://www.unknowncountry.com/mindframe/opinion/?id=199
What i was going to talk about on the post i didnt post.
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Posted 5/10/2008 9:57 AM (#5096 - in reply to #5067)
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hi,i creep in quietly on this,not,didn,t mr crowley,alsitair,talk to trees,birds,etc,in the forests,he probably did a whole pile of other stuff as well,theres good and bad in us all to some degree,or light and dark,ying and yang,thats the trouble with history,in time,the true facts get distorted,bit like the game chinese whispers,yes pj,dig more,i find it interesting,isn,t lam something spiritual,dhali lami,or something like that,don,t know,but won,t lose no sleep over it,luv x
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Posted 5/10/2008 1:57 PM (#5111 - in reply to #5038)
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Thank you for beginning this thread, NothingEverything.

I had not researched much on this topic beyond Aleister's artistic depiction of LAM, including the work of Hubbard and his cohorts. After reading on the link you provided and beyond about the secret chiefs...seems like there is a connection to be made to higher orders of Spirits and cosmic entities spoken of in different faiths. Just various names for the same beings, perhaps. I don't know if Aleister, L. Ron and company can be credited (or blamed, depending on frame of reference) for bringing alien visitation to this planet? I'm not saying it's not possible....just an 'I don't know, my jury is still out on that thought'. However, thinking from a physical standpoint, a stargate or portal could certainly be necessary to attain physical contact with physical beings in the distant physical Universe. It's interesting that Aleister found the need to seal this opening after creating it. Either he was just being a responsible worker of Magick, or there was something there he felt compelled to keep at bay. However, if the latter were true, why allow it to be reopened? Anyway, I plan on researching this more...what conclusions have you drawn, NothingEverything? I would be very interested to hear your opinions.


A side note...in the Sepher Sephiroth, a dictionary of the numerical value of words and phrases in Hebrew, 666 is the mathematical equivalent of the words:

Aleister Crowley
E. Aleister Crowley (his given first name was Edward)
The Beast
The Spirit of the Sun
and among other things...
The name of Jesus


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Posted 5/10/2008 2:35 PM (#5113 - in reply to #5038)
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Also of interest, perhaps...

from 777, in Aleister's own words regarding his attachment to the number 666...

"Chosen by myself as my symbol, partly for the reasons given in Part 1., partly for the reasons given in the Apocalypse. I took the beast to be the Lion (Leo is my rising sign) and Sol, 6, 666, the lord or Leo on which Babalon should ride..."

In "Part 1", Gematria, 666 is designated the last number of the Sun (ruling planet of his rising sign, Leo) based on Jewish mystical 'numerology'. He writes much more on the subject of 666 being his chosen magickal symbol in "777" and other writings.


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Posted 5/10/2008 2:47 PM (#5114 - in reply to #5038)
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Good morning all & sundry,

I have followed threads on the forums for a while now, and this is the first time I have felt the desire to post a response. I do want to preface this by saying what I have to offer is an opinion only, as I have very limited knowledge, and this is to say next to none, of Mr. Crowley.

What I find interesting is that a request for research and discussion turned seemingly into a Crowley "slam-fest", which has little to do with the OP's intent and/or desires. Whether one finds the views of Mr. Crowley's journeys into what became his beliefs objectionable or not, has nothing to do with the request. I think it fair to say no one on the boards has any first hand knowledge of Mr. Crowley, and the best we can accomplish is opinions based on "first and a half hand" knowledge. No one here actually SPOKE with him (first hand), two it seems have actually read any of his works. This, to me, is "first and a half hand" knowledge as we can read his works, yet have no availability to ask questions of what we are unsure about. Making judgements of Mr. Crowley or his works based on opinions of others without having first (or even after) read those works is a bit like passing judgement on a suspect without first hearing evidence.

But I digress...my apologies.

In reading what NE (if I may be so bold) linked, and what Molly B followed with, I do find the connecting relationships an interesting coincidence...if such a thing actually exists, and I would really enjoy seeing what comes of this discussion.

Respectfully,

Kier

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Posted 5/11/2008 12:06 AM (#5126 - in reply to #5111)
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MollyB - 2008-05-11 2:57 AM

Thank you for beginning this thread, NothingEverything.

I had not researched much on this topic beyond Aleister's artistic depiction of LAM, including the work of Hubbard and his cohorts. After reading on the link you provided and beyond about the secret chiefs...seems like there is a connection to be made to higher orders of Spirits and cosmic entities spoken of in different faiths. Just various names for the same beings, perhaps. I don't know if Aleister, L. Ron and company can be credited (or blamed, depending on frame of reference) for bringing alien visitation to this planet? I'm not saying it's not possible....just an 'I don't know, my jury is still out on that thought'. However, thinking from a physical standpoint, a stargate or portal could certainly be necessary to attain physical contact with physical beings in the distant physical Universe. It's interesting that Aleister found the need to seal this opening after creating it. Either he was just being a responsible worker of Magick, or there was something there he felt compelled to keep at bay. However, if the latter were true, why allow it to be reopened? Anyway, I plan on researching this more...what conclusions have you drawn, NothingEverything? I would be very interested to hear your opinions.


A side note...in the Sepher Sephiroth, a dictionary of the numerical value of words and phrases in Hebrew, 666 is the mathematical equivalent of the words:

Aleister Crowley
E. Aleister Crowley (his given first name was Edward)
The Beast
The Spirit of the Sun
and among other things...
The name of Jesus




Excellent!
In my opinion, 666 was a great Magi, very meticulous, genius, and thorough in his practices.
Many believe that contact, and therefore, guidance from extraterrestrial beings is the
path to intentional spiritual development, or as 666 called "The Great Work"
I have my own views on this, and believe in realizing our inner potential through introspection and the removal of ego.
Whether you choose self restraint or absolute freedom of will is each persons path.
Both develop will.
As for the portal, I believe 666 never meant it to be opened again.
I have many views on why this is.
I do believe that its reopening and failure to close has opened us for Lam to come freely.
This is only my opinion and made through research and intuition.
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Posted 5/11/2008 12:09 AM (#5127 - in reply to #5038)
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Posted 5/11/2008 2:50 PM (#5138 - in reply to #5114)
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Since AC died in 1947, personal knowledge may be tricky. My comments were based in part on his own self-description,and commentaries by a number of writers whose opinions in the field are respected, as well as those who have written abut 20th century spiritual masters and where he is not mentioned; and the fact that I was brought up in a near contemporaneous generation in the UK.

I was offering a cautious warning, in recognition of the undoubted spiritual energy AC possessed. But all roads ultimately lead to enlightenment, one way or another. I will not make any more comments on this thread however, suffice to point out the most recent references to AC, in Daniel Pinchbeck's 2012 (published 2007): 'Aleister Crowley, the self-proclaimed "Great Beast" of modern magic, who apparently entered into a daimonic alliance' (page 158, et seq).
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Posted 5/12/2008 12:14 PM (#5155 - in reply to #5038)
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Hello NothingEverything,

It's interesting...in the 1930's there was a doctor and some friends of his that formed a group called The Contact Commission. They were said to be receiving transmissions from different celestial beings on the topics of religion, philosophy, human origin, etc. Eventually, the resulting papers were all put together and called The Urantia Book.

Here is the website of the foundation if you're interested...

http://www.urantia.org/about.html

I bring this up because it reminded me of the secret chiefs (I believe the beings were called the Ancients of Days). Still, it takes us back to the idea of extraterrestrial beings providing a path to Spirit for us here on earth.

MollyB
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Posted 5/12/2008 1:56 PM (#5157 - in reply to #5155)
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Here I am again (note the Yahweh reference, 'I AM'; kind of a play on words, if you will forgive me ..) -breaking my last word [typical]

- ; you may or may not be aware that 'The Ancient of Days' is a painting by William Blake, based on his Biblical visions, and one of the translations of, the sacred name of g-d, from the OT.
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Posted 5/12/2008 3:16 PM (#5161 - in reply to #5038)
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If the origin of The Urantia Book is authentic, the 'transmitters' were actually called the "Ancients of Days" and, I do not believe, a reference to the "Ancient of Days" in the book of Daniel. Unless, perhaps, they wanted to provide a familiar 'name' and a frame of reference for their ideas? Nothing that I know of has ever been brought forth on that subject and if that were the case, would add an interesting polythesiastic (perhaps not a real word, but I tend to make up my own, anyway ) flavor to the mix.
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Posted 5/12/2008 9:36 PM (#5177 - in reply to #5155)
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MollyB - 2008-05-13 1:14 AM

Hello NothingEverything,

It's interesting...in the 1930's there was a doctor and some friends of his that formed a group called The Contact Commission. They were said to be receiving transmissions from different celestial beings on the topics of religion, philosophy, human origin, etc. Eventually, the resulting papers were all put together and called The Urantia Book.

Here is the website of the foundation if you're interested...

http://www.urantia.org/about.html

I bring this up because it reminded me of the secret chiefs (I believe the beings were called the Ancients of Days). Still, it takes us back to the idea of extraterrestrial beings providing a path to Spirit for us here on earth.

MollyB


Sweet! thank you, I'm going to go research this now!!
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Posted 5/13/2008 9:45 AM (#5192 - in reply to #5038)
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Its a very interesting book!!
I especially enjoyed reading the
detailed story of Jesus.
But, In my intuition, something didn't feel right
when I was reading the book, although, I have no idea
what exactly...
But I definitely encourage others to read it.
And come to there own conclusions.
Especially because its a public domain book!
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Posted 5/13/2008 12:40 PM (#5196 - in reply to #5192)
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I did try to find the Urantia book, but only got as far as Amazon, then had to get back to work. So i don't know what they said about Jesus. Will try again. In the meantime:

My own favourite version/interpretation of Jesus derives from the books by Professor Fida Hassnain (a Sufi) - A Search for the Historial Jesus, and/also, Holger Kerstein, Jesus Lived in India - I think I have mentioned them before. There is also a web-site, tombofjesus.net (or maybe, .com?) [but beware there is a rival site posted by fundementalist evangelicals].

I am sure you will havae heard of these; But if you'd like me to expand, i will, but don't want to repeate myself or interpolate on a thread!
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Posted 5/14/2008 8:07 AM (#5242 - in reply to #5192)
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old crowley again,i looked at said book,and i felt exactly the same as NE,intuition is a very reliable seeker of truth,instantly,a knowing,as i have said previous,don,t know too much about mr crowley,but he did have certain insight,and intuition,but i think shadows appeared,just my thoughts,who really knows,who will ever know,the real truth,but good debate,enjoyed it,luvx
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Posted 5/14/2008 8:14 AM (#5243 - in reply to #5038)
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http://www.urantia.org/detail.html#Titles
this is one of the many places to read the book online.
It belongs to public domain now and can be read freely from many places.
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Posted 5/14/2008 10:56 AM (#5267 - in reply to #5038)
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Hi Sunflower and NothingEverything!

The Urantia Book isn't a work of Aleister's but said to be of celestial origin. Didn't want to mislead anyone on that point.

The odd thing about that book, I've never been able to read the whole thing, just bits and pieces here and there? It's just strange. I thought it was because it was from friends from space and maybe I just wasn't getting into it!? Interesting to hear reactions of 'something doesn't feel right'. I would love to find out what that 'something' is? What I've read has been intriguing and I like the language with which it's written. Maybe the mystery will unfold at a later time?

There's another book I read quite some time ago written by a woman who was exploring alien contact as a means to enlightenment...I cannot remember the name of the book or the name of the author, and it was one of the multitude of books I had to get rid of when I moved across the country so I can't check the info....and this paragraph is absolutely unhelpful, isn't it?!?! LOL! Oh well, a little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.

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Posted 5/14/2008 11:07 AM (#5268 - in reply to #5267)
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MollyB - 2008-05-15 11:56 PM

Hi Sunflower and NothingEverything!

The Urantia Book isn't a work of Aleister's but said to be of celestial origin. Didn't want to mislead anyone on that point.

The odd thing about that book, I've never been able to read the whole thing, just bits and pieces here and there? It's just strange. I thought it was because it was from friends from space and maybe I just wasn't getting into it!? Interesting to hear reactions of 'something doesn't feel right'. I would love to find out what that 'something' is? What I've read has been intriguing and I like the language with which it's written. Maybe the mystery will unfold at a later time?

There's another book I read quite some time ago written by a woman who was exploring alien contact as a means to enlightenment...I cannot remember the name of the book or the name of the author, and it was one of the multitude of books I had to get rid of when I moved across the country so I can't check the info....and this paragraph is absolutely unhelpful, isn't it?!?! LOL! Oh well, a little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.



Im interested!!
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Posted 5/14/2008 11:18 AM (#5270 - in reply to #5038)
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Eureka! Found it! I heart the internet, lol!

Sacred Encounters: Spiritual Awakenings During Close Encounters by Dr. Janet Colli

Here is a link to the press release...

http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2006/4/emw378209.htm

Lo and behold, she is a practicing Transpersonal Psychologist in Seattle.


Edited by MollyB 5/14/2008 11:22 AM
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mruppert
Posted 5/14/2008 11:50 AM (#5275 - in reply to #5038)
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Sunstroke:
     You are amazing!
"hi,i creep in quietly on this,not,didn,t mr crowley,alsitair,talk to trees,birds,etc...."

      You are one of the few who picked up on my signoff about my kittkats liking birds! 
      Yes, he did talk to birds as I and my cats did. We did not always understand what they answered, try as we might. But, I started with one bird feeder and many squirrels. Quickly moved to  three feeders and literally hundreds of birds, but only my usual bunch of squirrels, and two new additions....Denim and Gaberdine, whom I watched as they grew.
       Being away or neglectfull, the birds and squirrels came up to my kitchen door to ask why there was no seed! I knew then that there was, indeed, magic in the world.
       Legal disputes aside, I found that I did not have the option of buying the grove of old growth trees that was behind my house. I learned that a developer wanted to build two houses behind me. The developer asked me and my neighbor for an easement to construct an access road to the grove, as it was landlocked by us. We told him NO! So, he went two houses down, and got an easement from another person and built a quarter mile long road to get to the grove. A tree removal company was called in to "get rid" of the trees....it had to be a special company since many of these trees were over a hundred feet tall. And, I tell you the truth, as each was cut, I heard a faint cry of pain and despair.
     Looking at barren land, all my squirrels and birds frightened away, I knew then that I would leave that house; that my beloved Isis and I were doomed; and that my life would profoundly change.
     The moral of all of this is....you may well talk to trees and birds, BUT you may not like the response that you hear!

Peace n' More,
Mr. Muppet and sunbathing cats, Luckylee, Poppyhead and SissyGirl
 


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Paul Joseph
Posted 5/14/2008 1:36 PM (#5281 - in reply to #5038)
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Not so much about AC, but forgive that please, just to say, that another synchcronicity is that just today (or yesterday - it was in the papers here today) the Ministry of Defence have released their UFO files ... and, Marty, last night i had some great news, and coincidentally, put out some water for the brids to bathe in -which they have never taken up the offer of before .. and what do you know, suddenly splash splash two of the hugest blackbirds took turns (female first then male - an old timer by his looks) to spruce themselves up for the evening. Like they were helping me celebrate. It was marvellous.
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MollyB
Posted 5/14/2008 8:31 PM (#5321 - in reply to #5038)
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Today is certainly a day for blessed synchronicity, Paul.
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sunflower
Posted 5/15/2008 4:07 AM (#5324 - in reply to #5275)
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muppet head,you know what,this is true,i felt very sad that the greed of man chose to cut down those trees,for thir own gain,and took what is not theirs,incidentaly,i also beleive trees,flowers etc,DO feel pain when cut,as i said,trees,flowers,etc,heal us ,better than doctors or pills,that kill us,sooooooooo many side affects,etc,thats why drug companies are against holistic healing in general,hospitals,etc,because if we all saw the light,they would be out of a very lucrative busness.Anyway mr muppet,i,ve never heard any unkindess from nature,or sarcasm,only peace and love,if they were to guide me,thought i was doing ,saying something wrong,they would tell me in a kind gentle way,in words of wisdom,therefore i woild listenas they are more wiser and spiritual than i,or any other,just as animals,who run from bad vibes,and return to heal with love.The moral of this story is,love and understanding cost nothing,harsh words,disguised,can cut through the soul like knfe,ask the trees.
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Paul Joseph
Posted 5/15/2008 8:34 AM (#5343 - in reply to #5275)
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Synchronicity & prescience continues ... agree with you totally S; but fascinating that I only read this post AFTER I had put down Y for Yggdrasil on the word game thread !!
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MollyB
Posted 5/15/2008 12:20 PM (#5366 - in reply to #5038)
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Loved your insight, Sunflower! Have you ever read the book "The Secret Life of Plants"? It's fascinating and goes right along with everything you are saying! Love ya!

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sunflower
Posted 5/16/2008 1:50 AM (#5389 - in reply to #5366)
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hi molly,no i,ve never read the book,but will do so,thanks.I,m very passionate about all nature,animals,sometimes,through that passion,i may come across as aggressive,don,t mean to,but as a mother who defends,and protects her children,that is the sort of passion i talk and feel of,luv and hugs x
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sunflower
Posted 5/16/2008 1:56 AM (#5391 - in reply to #5366)
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having trouble with submit button,so it appears i am repeating myself,gremlin in the works,me thinks,wonder if this comes up twice,thrice,then i would be repeating,why am i trying to explain myself,duh,
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NothingEverything
Posted 5/16/2008 3:24 AM (#5396 - in reply to #5038)
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This has been a great thread for my independent studies!!
Thank you all so much!
I'll contribute again soon.
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MollyB
Posted 5/17/2008 11:52 AM (#5448 - in reply to #5038)
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Hi Sunny Sunflower!

I LOVE your passion for animals and nature. There is nothing more pure and right to defend, in my estimation!

Love and big hugs!
MollyB
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mruppert
Posted 5/18/2008 1:24 AM (#5450 - in reply to #5038)
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Hello all and Suneclipse:
     The morning after the first wave of devastation (it took them weeks to cut all the trees), ten deer were in my driveway. I had a pickup truck then, which I parked in the very back of the house on edge of the woods. I started down the circle to the driveway and the deer would not move....they all just stared at me! With accusing eyes!!! I told them.....yes, I spoke the words...to some "dumb, stupid animals", that this is not what I wanted to have happened...that this was done by someone else, and I could not stop it.
     Then they reluctantly wandered off towards I95, a major highway.....but there is a tunnel that goes underneath...and lets out on Elibank Road, directly opposite me, but across I95.
Elibank Road is still, to this day, fairly wooded, as there are only few houses and a Russian Orthodox Church and Cemetary. I fervently hope that they found sanctuary there,  or at least the peace that I could no longer give them.
      And, yes, SunYatSen, the trees cried, and those that sought shelter and comfort and well being amongst those trees cried also....as did I! ALL that I knew changed.

Peace,
Mr. Muppethead and witnesses to the slaughter, Luckylee and Poppyhead;  SissyGirl came well after
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Paul Joseph
Posted 5/18/2008 9:32 AM (#5465 - in reply to #5038)
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Went downstairs on a whim this morning to make another cup of tea (we Brits do that), just in time to hear then see a young looking thrush bang into our kitchen window then stand there breathless on the potted plants. Looking out, saw the neighbours black cat has missed its playtime; and fled, empty mouthed.

that was a very serendipitous cup of tea.
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Paul Joseph
Posted 5/18/2008 9:35 AM (#5466 - in reply to #5391)
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Congrats. Iris Flower - just noticed you have a purple star !!
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sunflower
Posted 5/20/2008 2:19 AM (#5497 - in reply to #5466)
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mmm,love the colour purple,protetive,do you know what pj,i was thinking about colours,cos i love all colour,i also beleive they are truly healing,but how we humans use colour in our terminology,i.e., when someone is depressed,down,theyv,e got the blues,throat chakra,when they are angry they say i just saw red,base chakra,when someone is jealous,its the green eyed monster,heart,chakra,we,re in the pink,heart again,so on,can,t think of orange,yellow,unless when someones ill they say he looked yelow,don,t know bout that,just an observasion,interesting,well i think so,but as you know,i,m always thinking,lots of it rubbish mainly,ha!ha!,anyway,love and light to you mr paul,luv and hugsx

oh,ps,wonder how many times this goes through,as you mentioned on a previous post,you read my post 4 times,cos thats how many times it came through,gremlin submit,lordy lordy lordy,will she ever shut up,nope,i do love to sit in the quiet,peace my friend.
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Paul Joseph
Posted 5/20/2008 4:36 AM (#5500 - in reply to #5497)
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Thanks for the colourful illuminations Sunshine - I think many of us occupy our minds with rubbish, hence the Buddha's exhortation to still ourselves and attain the quiet mind ....
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Tracy Martin
Posted 5/20/2008 12:56 PM (#5537 - in reply to #5038)
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The messsage I got at the altar of the Yogananda Retreat Center was 'Get out your head and open your heart.' That's it, that's all. Ahh! Peace!
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Posted 5/22/2008 12:19 AM (#5566 - in reply to #5038)
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But, SunSoltice, PeeJay, and Tracer:
      MY (and I say that as if I could own them, and I could have) trees were cut down. The cries were very real to me, but not to my neighbors, who only were very angry that they were soon to be gone.
      I wanted to keep that area as it was in a very desparate way, but I didn't have the money, at the time, to buy the property from the owner.
       But, that is not my point! My point is that when those trees felled, each and everyone of them told me of my doom....that I would lose my beloved Isis, and that I would have no place in that place ever again!
       When I was forced to sell the house, it was difficult, the market was strong and vibrant...and my humble house was not all that attractive.
        BUT, a couple came in, an American guy and his Japenese wife, and she saw my dining room, with all it's oriental gee-gaws, some of which are of some value....and she fell in the spell....the same that it had for me! When I offered some Sake, I knew that they were going to buy my house. She loved my collection of "lucky cats" (NTET could tell us the Nippon name) and she loved my scrolls and paintings and fans..though the fans were Thai.
         And so, the house that I loved and hated, was sold to them.  I have all of the oriental stuff, and most of the live cats....though GirlySue died on 1/5/2006 at a ripe old age.
         Since I wrote the above, I remember Inky (aka Inkspot) my litttle black cat, who lived to be thirty human years old. And, at thirty, she smelled of death, a smell that I will never forget!!!!!!!!!!

Ramblings of an old man with old cats,
Peace n' Love,
Marty, Lucky and Poppy from the old house, and Sissy, a not so shy youngster.
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Tracy
Posted 5/22/2008 12:19 PM (#5582 - in reply to #5038)
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In the world things come and go. In essence, who we are, including the sublime beauty of trees and nature all around, cannot be subtracted from or added to. It is most often our attachment and beliefs that cause us mental suffering as we experience gain and loss. We feel distress, compassion for the suffering we see and our hearts are moved to bring healing and solace. This is the world we find ourselves in, an ongoing cyle of birth, growth, decay, and death, creation and destruction.

I hear the trees crying in your heart Martin. All around Nature groans, even as she gives birth again and again. The Oceans flood the land, the tectonic plates scrape and rumble, death comes, and new life. We are eternal beings! We have already experienced the life and death of galaxies! In the essence of who we are , there is great joy in all this coming and going.
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Paul Joseph
Posted 5/22/2008 1:00 PM (#5601 - in reply to #5582)
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Very lovely post Tracy.

Funny thing is, we are having to have our trees heavily trimmed just tomorrow, they have grown so tall (Chothuni please note my crumbling) that the neighbours' light is being blocked. But I have been troubled about the birds nesting. i had thought to post, so you have facilitated this, thanks. Please contemplate on the homeless birds tomorrow (my tomorrow, not sure what it will be for others .... your nightime sleepytime perhaps?!
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