spirituality and nutrition
ormus
Posted 1/11/2006 7:32 PM (#196)
Subject: spirituality and nutrition


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I have recently been experimenting with the ability of vegan raw food to enhance prana and the awakening of Kundalini. So far i've found Gabriel Cousens book spiritual nutirtion to be a tremendous aid in this process. Has anyone else experimented with the ability of nutrition to enhance spirituality, in particular with raw food. Thanks for your comments.
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lolayoga
Posted 1/11/2006 8:31 PM (#197 - in reply to #196)
Subject: RE: spirituality and nutrition


Wow. It's so neat to hear someone talking about the connection between food and spirituality! I have found that the type of food I eat really effects how inspired I am for spiritual practices. I completed a cleanse that involved vegan raw food called Arise & Shine and had some of the clearest spiritual experiences of my life. During the parts of this cleanse I felt extremely inspired about life and truly felt my body to be a temple of the Divine. On the other side of nutrition, I spent some time eating pretty poorly and felt myself drawn toward watching tv in a lethargic state. I believe nutrition plays a bigger role in peoples' lives than many realize. There is a course on nutrition and spirituality with UMS that will be wonderful to read and integrate. I'd love to hear others' thoughts on this subject....
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dwelch049
Posted 1/13/2006 6:05 PM (#201 - in reply to #196)
Subject: RE: spirituality and nutrition


I too have found that my eating more raw veggies, fruit, raw nuts and lots of water increases my passion for spirit and feeling connected to spirit as well. I have had challenging times and I am making a difference in my eating, even to eat slow and enjoy my bites, to bring me to a new level with spirituality and nutrition. Organic I feel is very important and even down to our chemicals we use in our home. It is nice to hear of other talk of spirituality and nutrition and I also look forward to the class that UMS teaches for this subject matter.
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Dancing Daisy
Posted 1/14/2006 9:39 AM (#202 - in reply to #196)
Subject: RE: spirituality and nutrition


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I have to say that it is great to eat a lot of raw food and veggies and such, but gosh! those old habits die hard! I have been dying for french fries for the past few days! I only have two more days to go before I can have them. I'm counting the minutes! I found that I have to set aside one day per week where I have a little bit of my old temptations, like chocolate cake or some other decadence. Otherwise I will simply go insane. I don't know, maybe I would just get too enlightened, or too light, or something, but somehow that junk food brings me so much comfort, even if it is just a tiny bit once a week. I'll go all week eating raw veggies and fruit, eating a totally alkaline diet, and it has helped me greatly, but there is a little me in there going, "Just wait until Sunday, that's the day, you'll get some chocolate junk food then!" Knowing that I have one day per week that I can break the rules makes it possible to get through the week! I discovered that not being able to partake in my old ways at least once a week made me really depressed, and I usually failed by the second week of eating like a saint anyway, so I guess I have to make room for the human who was brought up on twinkies, ice-cream, and the average american diet.

Will I ever be free of earth junk food? I don't know. However, I have gained much in my health, lost weight and have a lot of energy to get things done that I didn't have when I ate that way every day. I do aspire to be able to eat like a saint someday though, without needing even that one day of old ways in the food department! For now, I need something really bad for me just once in a while!
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ormus
Posted 1/24/2006 6:16 PM (#213 - in reply to #196)
Subject: RE: spirituality and nutrition


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I know how you feel dancing daisy, it has been quite the process for me as well, letting go of those old cravings. However, the process that has worked well for me has been to figure out how to make my favorite junk food with yummy raw ingredients instead. For instance to satisfy a chocolate craving I mix raw chocolate (cacao) with agave syrup, coconut oil, and dates. It turns into the most fantastic chocolate fudge, even better than any other processed (cooked) chocolate! Also, when I crave ice cream, which used to be my favorite dessert, I put frozen fruit through my champion juicer, which turns it into ice "cream" right before my eyes. My favorite is banana raspberry. Sometimes I run cacao through as well for chocolate ice "cream". It is amazing to me that my new raw creations are even better tasting than the cooked variety! Junk food has truely turned into health food that tastes soooo gooood. Hope these ideas help. If anyone else wants recipe ideas i know a bunch, please feel free to ask.
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Ariana
Posted 1/25/2006 12:56 AM (#214 - in reply to #196)
Subject: RE: spirituality and nutrition


I have been really interested in raw foods, but like dancing daisy just can't really make the crossover completely cause I love my ice cream and treats and such, and of course PIZZA! It sounds like you know a lot about all this, so do you have any recipes for raw food pizza???? Do you have any books you could reccommend for finding raw food recipes? I wish there was a service where I could just have someone deliver raw food dishes to my door! I would pay anything! I understand Madonna has someone who spends all day just making her nutritious food, and setting it down in front of her... I must admit, I'm kinda lazy about preparing food and don't like to take the time out for it. Does it take a long time to prepare the raw food dishes, just like cooking prepared meals?
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ormus
Posted 1/26/2006 5:44 PM (#229 - in reply to #214)
Subject: RE: spirituality and nutrition


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Hello Ariana,

Thanks for the response. I definately have found that it is vitally important to make the transistion to raw food at a mild pace. Switching over to quickly has never worked for me. Slowly brining in raw foods and letting them work there magic has been what has allowed me to go fully raw. Indeed I do know recipes for raw food pizza, however I don't know the exact ratio of ingredients. However, there are several books I would recommend such as Rainbow Green Live-Food Cuisine by Gabriel Cousens, and Sunfood Cuisine by Frederic Patenaude, these have raw vegan pizza recipes. The basic process is to make a crust of nuts, seeds, spices, and maybe some veggies. Then blend a marinara sauce with tomatoes and spices, and then to make vegan cheese. There are several processes of how to do this in these books. My favorite is pine nuts, raw miso, and spices blened. It comes out like a yummy creamy cheese. I can honestly say that the raw vegan organic pizza i've had tastes better than standard pizza, and of course it is healthful!

In terms of delivery there is definately a posssibilty of getting raw food delivered to you. I know of several people that do raw food catering services near the area I live. I would check into this through the internet, or yellow pages. Also keep an eye out for raw food restaurants they seem to be popping up rapidly.

Preparing raw food can be simple or elaborate depending on your desire. For me, most of the raw meals I make are a lot quicker than the cooked foods I used to make. For instance my morning smoothie of fruit and superfoods such as raw chocolate (cacao), maca, bluegreen algae, etc. takes about three minutes or less to make. Also I make raw soups in a food processor which take about 3-5 minutes as well. Honestly overall I spend less time preparing raw food than when I prepared cooked food.

Hope all this helps! Many blessings on your journey.

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DaylightDream
Posted 1/27/2006 9:29 PM (#241 - in reply to #196)
Subject: RE: spirituality and nutrition


That guy Juliano who wrote the book Raw Cookbook, I think that's the name of it, he started one of the first raw food restaurants. It's now in LA because all the movie stars wanted him to move down there, but he started in San Fran. He refuses to open a franchise or chain though because he feels like he can't control the quality of the food if there are a bunch of restaurants and he can't be at them all. That's commendable. I sure do wish someone would start a chain or a franchise though so they could pop up all over the place. Perhaps it's better that way though, keep it small, mom and pop restaurants are going to deliver a better product every time. Raw food has certainly gotten a lot more interesting in the past few years, eh?
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lolayoga
Posted 1/28/2006 8:25 PM (#247 - in reply to #196)
Subject: RE: spirituality and nutrition


Hi. I have a question for you all. I've been eating raw foods off and on for the past year. I've been loving it! However, recently I've been showing signs of having a parasite. I've also had several disturbing dreams in which I was either feeding the parasite or removing it from my body. I'm concerned that this parasite may be really affecting the vibration of my body. So I've been doing some research into how to get rid of parasites and have come up with lots of cleansing "kits". It's so hard to know what will actually work, though. I'd love to be able to treat the parasite by using raw food and/or vibrational healing. Does anyone have any ideas? I would greatly appreciate it!

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NothingEverything
Posted 2/1/2006 7:27 AM (#252 - in reply to #196)
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These are just some food cures i know of, for tapeworms, eat coconut meat first thing in the morning on an empty stomache, for round worms take lotus rhizome powder. this is all i could find wth my resources.
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lolayoga
Posted 2/2/2006 4:15 PM (#253 - in reply to #196)
Subject: RE: spirituality and nutrition


Thank you for that information! I also recently came accross the book "Twelve Steps to Raw Food" by Victoria Botenko, in which she says that by eating 100% raw food parasites and worms will not be able to survive in one's body. This was exciting news for me. I like the idea of using foods to cure this instead of using a parasite program. Thanks again for the information!
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ormus
Posted 2/2/2006 6:12 PM (#254 - in reply to #196)
Subject: RE: spirituality and nutrition


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The power of raw food is truely amazing. I definately believe that you will be able to rid yourself of any parasites through raw food lolayoga. Eating food as the earth has presented it for us seems so simple, yet in modern times where we seem to be so out of balance and unhealthy, it has the power to heal almost any dis-ease. People have done studies on wild animals to see if they get any of the sicknesses or degenerative diseases that humans get and they don't seem to get any of them. The animals that do get similar sicknesses to humans however are the ones we take from their natural environment and then feed cooked food. Our natural state is to be healthy just like all other animals (that eat raw food). Blessings on your healing journey lolayoga!
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Lillian
Posted 2/24/2006 6:53 AM (#282 - in reply to #196)
Subject: RE: spirituality and nutrition


Hello. I have some experience with this. I am a certified polarity therapist and during my schooling, we were taught many ways to raise our vibration in order to bring in the highest light for healing. One way, and a very important way, was through nutrition. We started with a cleanse and worked with "alive" food. Chloryphyl was an important part of the diet as well as it brings oxygen into the cells. The results were amazing. We were able to reach deeper levels of meditation, and able to access and hold higher light vibrations which aided in our polarity work. The body has its own wisdom and when this temple is fed properly, the cells in your body become more alive and you are able to attain greater levels of health, joy and overall well being.

Sometimes people can do this for a lifetime, but sometimes not. Remember that everything happens in stages and you may need to re-adjust your diet due to different things going on in your life. There are a few books out there regarding vibrational medicine, intuitive eating, etc. And it's important to recognize that your body will tell you what it needs, even if its something that you may think is bad. Everything in moderation!

Lillian
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Chris Sheridan
Posted 3/10/2006 9:22 PM (#301 - in reply to #196)
Subject: RE: spirituality and nutrition


I've been slowly making my way toward veganism, but it's extremely difficult b/c it's just so expensive (hmmm, i wonder why. lol). I take MSG Detox before a meal that contains MSG and that has helped tremendously. My tremors stopped, my random migraines stopped (but i realized that they weren't random, but a result of my MSG consumption. i'm VERY sensitive to the horrible stuff), and my blurred vision after meals stopped.

I no longer eat red meats (beef, pork, etc), I still eat fish b/c I don't want to harm my body by giving it a shock. I no longer consume milk (www.notmilk.com) and I'm eating alot more fruit/veggies. I must say that it's truly making a difference on my body. I really don't think we're meant to eat the stuff anyway. Besides, with my motto that I created for myself (Think BIG, think BAD) it's helped me realize WHAT is actually bad for us. The dairy industry is a multi-BILLION dollar industry and I now know why. The Elite Inc. are literally wanting to eliminate us, but they're clever. They harm us with things that are cumulative, not immediate. That way we think it's "just genetic flaws". I do not believe that obesity is 'genetic'. People are obese b/c not everyone is as sensitive to the harmful things in processed foods. Those who are "obese" just don't know it yet.

I no longer eat t.v. dinners, processed foods, fast food, etc. I'm meditating more and now I'm doing yoga regularly. All of these things have helped my body tremendously.

Anyway, that's my opinion on food and what I'm doing with it.

Also, I still want to pursue a degree through this establishment, but I don't know how long it will be before I can. Money is such a horrible thing. Especially in this day in age.

Love to you all!

Chris

ps. any of you who would like to speak outside of this forum (i don't really get on here often) add me at the following links:

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bye!
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cause
Posted 12/28/2006 6:24 PM (#1293 - in reply to #196)
Subject: RE: spirituality and nutrition



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I think that eating raw foods can bring us close to source energys. The movement of food energys to humanity is quite valuable. I think that, if eating healthfuly, processed food, especialy when processed personaly and with care, may be a positive influence as well. Not everybody needs, in my opinion, or can be close to source. I am interested in how food efects our thoughts and emotions. I find that plain food makes me thoughtful, while indulging in a treat makes me feel self-inolved. Spice adds a vibrancy that seems, to me, to be that of people and the earth together and is almost unidirectional in nature. I would like to learn more about and desire to be, pure inside and out. Eat healthfuly!
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Tracy
Posted 12/29/2006 2:27 PM (#1303 - in reply to #196)
Subject: RE: spirituality and nutrition


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After a lifetime ( I am over 50) of eating any and every possible kind of junk food I went on a fast in June of this year. The first thing that I realized was that my body's wisdom and thrust towards health is far stronger than my cravings for salt, sugar, and grease. This kind of confidence has helped me to be more sensitive to what my body needs and doesn't need. I used to go for days withour drinking water and the fast brought more water into my body. That was really hard and I fussed and complained for a few days about having to go to the bathroom and being too full to eat anything anyway, but it passed. After seven months I am eating more than 75 % raw. Recently I have used Zeolite as a detoxification for heavy metals. I have found that my mind is clearer. I am able to make decisions quicker and focus better. My emotional states no longer fluctuate, there is more of a sense of calmness and equilibrium. My prayer/lightwork/meditations are far more intense, full of love, embracing those near and far. I have lost a lot of weight (30 pounds!)and will be at an 'ideal' weight after losing 15 more pounds. Of course I am exercising more too. Arthritis symptoms are disappearing, energy level has increased and I feel more 'grounded.' I know that my sense of health and well being comes from a combination of very focused spiritual work,water, diet, intuition. Just wanted to encourage anyone who is older or seemingly 'set in your ways' that having experienced miraculous changes in my life, I know that the divine power in you is able to effect change for your highest good as well. Peace!
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paddy
Posted 8/5/2010 12:36 AM (#19806 - in reply to #196)
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About a year ago I discovered that I was Gluten sensitive and after cutting out Gluten from my diet, my allergies disappeared. About 20 years ago I discovered Robert Gray's cleansing program which I do every few years. It involves skin brushing to circulate lymph and herbs such as chickweed and rosemary that remove the mucus plaque buildup from the tennis court size surface area of the intestinal track. It also clears worms. I gall bladder cleanse once a year around Christmas when everyone else feasts, i fast. My diet is balanced meat and potatoes with more cooked veggies than raw, a diet my children grow well with because it presents a great variety of choices they enjoy. This fosters good moods which enhances a happy sense of spirituality. I rarely ever drink, I love chocolate.

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leo
Posted 8/5/2010 10:57 AM (#19810 - in reply to #19806)
Subject: RE: spirituality and nutrition



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Paddy, Heres a little information that I have taken from Adrian Cooper, "Our Ultimate Reality". I was wondering how you might think about this particular aspect of diet. After giving this considerable thought, we began a more liberal form of vegaterain diet, we've decided not to eat anything with legs. We thought about fish but then considered that Jesus fed the multitudes with fish and bread, so I'm thinking fish is ok.. Based on the folowing is what led us to a more vegaterian thought process. I respect your obvious knowledge on many aspects of metaphysics, so that said, what do you think?

"The conditions under which animals have been bred and reared can have a profound effect on the human Energy, Astral and Spiritual bodies.

Animals bred for food very often experience "lives" of extremely negative emotions and therefore energies such as "fear", all of which manifest a powerful vibration in the form of Energy.

Energy manifesting in the form of these powerful negative vibrations such as fear cannot be destroyed, and therefore become associated and will adversely influence all who come into contact with them, for example during the consumption of the animals that have experienced these powerful vibrations of fear and other such emotions on a level that most humans will never have to experience.

As humans we are expected to use our God-given intelligence, freewill and inner-connections to do the right thing or accept the consequences through Cause and Effect.

By now many of you you might be saying "well how do you know that eating animals is not the right thing?". We will address some of those issues next.

2. Biological, Health and Ecological

I have studied the medical, biological and paleoanthropological evidence relating to human diet, and these are just a few of my main findings:

a. Human teeth are designed for grinding and chewing in exactly the same manner as a herbivorous animal.

b. Humans have no teeth that are characteristic of carnivorous animals as used for tearing flesh.

c. The human jaw moves from side to side to facilitate grinding.

d. The human hand has no claws or thumb designed for handling meat. Our hands and fingers are rather designed for harvesting vegetables, fruits, nuts etc..

e. The strength of hydrochloric acid in the human stomach, the acid used to break down food into a digestible form, is only 5% of the strength of hydrochloric acid found in carnivorous animals. This is because vegetation is much easier to "break down" than meat.

f. The alimentary canal, which is the entire digestive canal of a human is many times longer in comparison to body size than the alimentary canal of a carnivore. This is so a meat eating animal can eliminate putrefying meat as as soon as possible, a requirement that does not apply to vegetation. This is one major reason why cancer of the colon is rapidly increasing in human beings, as well as other related digestive tract dis-eases.

g. Humans are unable to deal with excess fat in the same way that carnivorous animals are. This is a major reason why, due to eating meat, humans are increasingly paying the price in the form of obesity, heart dis-eases such as hardening and obstruction of the arteries, and related dis-eases such as diabetes. These are all increasing as parents feed children more and more harmful food. It should also be noted that a child produces most far cells in the body at a young age, and once produced these fat cells will always exist and have the ability to manifest as fat. So once a child has been "fattened" by parents, they will be fighting against obesity and fat related dis-eases all their physical life. An obese child will always become an obese adult.

h. Vegetarian and vegans have considerably more endurance and stamina. It has been medically proven that that, on average, a vegetarian or vegan has 2 to 3 times more endurance during physical exercise than a comparable meat eater, and will recover from that exercise up to 5 times faster than the comparable animal eater.

i. Vegans and some vegetarians depending on diet live on average 5 to 7 years longer than meat eaters.

j. The proteins originating in vegetables, fruits and nuts are in a far more readily available and digestible form than than "meat protein". This is why the worlds largest mammals such as Elephants, Rhinoceros, Giraffe and many others can grow so large.

k. The amino acids required by the human body to physically repair itself, under "instruction" from the Energy body are found in vegetation, fruits, nuts etc..

l. When we consume a vegetarian or vegan diet we also consume an idea balance of other crucial substances such as carbohydrates, vitamins, minerals, enzymes, chlorophyll and numerous others.

n. Meat contains many dangerous or potentially dangerous chemical substances such as: carcinogenic, that is cancer producing growth hormones, DDT, preservatives, tranquilizers, hormones and other drugs fed to animals, arsenic, sodium sulphate and numerous other chemical compound used in livestock farming, all of which are consumed with meat.

So these are just a few of the many biological and health factors relating to the eating of animal flesh and body parts.

There are also many related environmental and health factors relating to the so called "meat industry".

For example, the "run-off" from thousands of "slaughter-houses", and extremely evocative phrase, is a major pollutant of rivers, streams and lakes; thereby causing further suffering, death and destruction.

Rain forests are being levelled at an unsustainable rate to provide land for cattle, and also to grow Soy beans to feed cattle, thus further damaging the environment.

20% of all methane, a major contributor to climate change, is produced by cattle.

here are just a few famous, intelligent and highly respected people who were vegetarian and vegan. Note that most if not all of these people understand the "inner realities" and true nature of the Universe:

Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Leonardo Da Vinci, Albert Einstein and Mahatma Gandhi as well as numerous others."

What do you think?
Be well
Leo
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cause
Posted 8/5/2010 7:10 PM (#19815 - in reply to #196)
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you make me want to become a vegitarian again leo.

strange thing about meat, the more you eat it the more you want. . .

Cause

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leo
Posted 8/5/2010 7:32 PM (#19816 - in reply to #19815)
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Cause, I first read about the effect of raising cattle and the way they build up fear in our course on spiritual eating. That course is in the masters portion. Don't know where you are in your studies. Anyway that same fear being transfered to the person eating the meat. I now have a hard time walking past the meat counter, makes me a little nausious. With all of the new vegie products on the market, makes it a little easier.

Happy eating
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paddy
Posted 8/5/2010 11:59 PM (#19821 - in reply to #196)
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One thing that comes to mind is the nature of labeling as a double edge blade, on one side offering utility of education and on the other acting as a basis for conflict.  Everyone seems to some degree vegetarian, some just more hard liner than others.

After reading John Robbin's Diet for a New America, my diet became Vegetarian dominant in a big way.  
I wasn't sophisticated enough. After a few years I wasn't doing well, and so I studied Michael Tierra's Way of Herbs and recovered.  

As I reintroduced meat in my diet by that guidance than sometimes my blood would boil as i assimilated the fear hormones in the meat.  A slaughterhouse designer, Temple Grandin created a more humane way that seems to trigger lesser degrees of fear in the cows.  
http://www.spinninglobe.net/cowlady.htm

At some point I considered reincarnation as a means of perfect justice together with the idea of transmigration of soul to other life forms.  This helped me cope with the hell many farm animals experience.

I understand that as human predecessors ate meat, their brains grew larger and they were able to spend time in other ways than obsessing about food.  So I ponder what food eaten now might enhance life experience for descendants to come.  Coconut oil, Spirulina, and Resveratrol come to mind.


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Paul Joseph
Posted 8/6/2010 10:58 AM (#19829 - in reply to #19821)
Subject: RE: spirituality and nutrition



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One of the UMS courses covers this are in depth.

Is there evidence for those venerable vegetarians cited above?

The poison in, posion out arguments make a lot of sense to me, as do the economic/ecological ones. Though also I believe there are examples of Yogis, Fakirs (and as demonstrated by Rasputin when they attempted to murder him) that, the body can withstand the ingestion of considerable toxins if one's intention is pure.

Jesus and the fish is an interesting example; he even dined on this after resurrection
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paddy
Posted 8/7/2010 12:48 AM (#19845 - in reply to #196)
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I don't think Pope Benedict XVI is vegetarian; he seems a successful Metaphysician of sorts.
Likewise I don't think the Dalai Lama is a vegetarian, but he is quite mindful about what he eats.
Many Rabiis are not vegetarian, but similarly mindful about holding compassion toward animals.

I think vegetarianism is popular in India, birthplace of many religions and spiritual practices.
Apparently there are more English Speaking workers in India than there are people in America,
as if the higher population might complement a vegetarian path for the masses. The abundance
of spices in the cooking may somehow offer nutritional advantage in some way or another over
non spiced vegetarianism.

In the context of the seed post, foods for awakening Kundalini, then the idea of sexual energy comes
to mind, aphrodisiacs that may enhance experiences of sexual energy flow.
My impression is that Gingko Biloba can thin blood in ways improving circulation in both the penis
and the mind. That the Gingko survived the Hiroshima blast, I consider it a sacred "Tree Of Life" of sorts.
Early Kundalini uprisings can be difficult to manage if unprepared, get a guide and please be careful.


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cause
Posted 8/7/2010 3:40 AM (#19846 - in reply to #196)
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I've been there Leo, my sensitivity to meat was in my case hightened to the point that I knew if something accedentily eaten had even the slightest amount of meat in it. I was vegitarian for two years and was healthy throughout. A person needs to know how to eat properly as a vegitarian and this instilled in me the practice of reading every label I considered eating and many I did not consider eating.

I while encountering new spiritual practices later returned to vegitarianism for a larger part of a year and was happy in doing so. After this I encountered Kabbalah and modified my diet again becoming kosher, even if not strictly so. I would say I felt closer to divinity in these years than at many other times in my life but in very different ways. It can really make a person mindful when needing to, or through discipline to think of every thing that goes into your body. i like that.

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HappyMonk
Posted 8/7/2010 9:17 AM (#19847 - in reply to #196)
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Problem with people is they think they know what spirituality means. You can gain more in sight into what really is spirituality by exploring this meaning by via knowledge (internal process). Than some external corporeal event.

Theres process here i will point out for you. Start from what you know and break it down to its root essence. What you will quickly find is theres a barrier to process and should end up at unanswerable question. That questions is were does desires come from?well they come from up bringing,parents, genetics and society.

If you are still in process you will come down to some desires that just dont fall into to this catogories. These are the unanswerable questions. Now you have your raw material to which to build with. This process will aim you in the right direction. Spirituality has nothing to do with types of food you digest, you think certain types food contain magical properities? this is absolute rubbish. Yes, digestiable foods do contain pyshical(corporeal) properities to heal the corporeal body and make it feel good. This as far they go , they do nothing for your spiritual body.

If you knew what true spirituality was you would run screaming terror. Why do you think Jacob said "this is a terrible place" when he entered kingdom of God. And no its nothing to with majesty and scale of everything he witnessed. I throw this question down to people who think they know what spirituality is.

What was Jacob referring to when he said "this is a terrible place"?

If cant answer this question then you still need to keep searching.

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leo
Posted 8/7/2010 3:10 PM (#19861 - in reply to #19847)
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Monk, To begin I'd like to simply state that the closer I get to true metaphysical spirituality, the happier I am. ( "If you knew what true spirituality was you would run screaming terror.") I'm not certain where you get this from but in my physical experience it doesn't make any sense. I'm also not aware of Jacob saying such a thing. Could you please enlighten me on where that came from?

Spirituality has set me free of the fear of death and the unkown worries of where and what happens to me after passing. In our course work here at UMS we are encouraged to communicate with our spirit guides. That said, my wife channels her spirit guide who has spent the past 3 years teaching us about the universe and various other aspects of our spirituality, none of which has me screaming in terror, in fact , just the oppisite is true. Blessed with the opportunity to know the truth, I now am working on a far greater depth of knowledge. As far as heaven/hell is concerned, is the simple fact that they just don't exist. What in fact does exist is a multitude of planes or the planes of existence. Way to many for our feeble human brains to understand. There are planes within planes and worlds within worlds. If you look into quantum mechanics, you'll find that everything vibrates down to the smallest part of a subatomic particle. The entire universe vibrates and we each vibrate at whatever rate we are in, in our awareness, based on where we are in the universe. To increase your rate of vibration simply requires you to be more aware of your consciousness and to have a greater depth of knowledge.

The vast majority of humans at this point in our evolution, vibrate at a very low frequency.

There are numerous Energy levels of the Astral, often known as "planes", "realms" or "spheres". The precise sphere in which a person will find themselves will depend entirely upon their Vibration, which will in turn depend on their individual level of Spiritual evolution and beliefs.

This is one reason why it is so important to understand these realities while still in a physical body, and above all to live life accordingly. For example, those who are very religious might well find themselved transitioning to a lower aspect of the Astral worlds known as the "belief system territories".

Most decent people having completed their most recent life in the physical world will soon transition to the mid levels of the afterlife the Astral worlds or "planes" as they are often known. The Astral worlds at these levels are clean, pure, well organised, extremely harmonious and peaceful; the perfect place of rest in fact after the trials and tribulations of a physical life in the Earthly world of matter.

People at this stage of development are still very much focussed on materialism, and therefore see an ideal world consisting of the same material things they are comfortable with, desire and above all often never could experience in the physical world. In the mid-Astral everyone can have anything they desire, and hence this level of the Universe is often known as the "desire worlds". There are obviously other higher realms than these mentioned, but one needs to start at the begining and work their way up from there.

So now you have a better understanding of spirituality. Nothing to be afraid of and by the way you can call me Jacob as thats my name in the realm where my spirit lives.
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Posted 8/7/2010 3:32 PM (#19862 - in reply to #196)
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The idea of having desire to answer the unanswerable seems related to a desire of arriving at a place where paradox is resolved.  In some ways I liken that to the primordial desire of creation caught in some tension on the threshold between known and unknown.  It seems likely every creative act can contain a sense of this  even though the creative focus may distract from realizing that.

The label spirituality is helpful for people getting in touch with their spiritual qualities.  From one perspective, every human experience contains some spiritual element even among those who may not be able to appreciate that.  As each path contains legitimacy of choices born of desire and the teach/learning that can catalyze growth, each path may lead to states of realization where the veil of spiritual appreciation is lifted.

As awareness grows then the label spirituality may lose utility because of the inseparable quality permeating everything.  Just as an Eskimo has many names to describe snow, or else as a jungle inhabitant may have many words to describe the color green, so may an adept have many words to describe spiritual elements.  For those lucky enough to experience the ecstasy and euphoria of heavenly nirvana then it probably seems easy to describe uneventful average human experience as terrible, from such a relative comparison.  

For some, terrible isn't good enough, and the path can then lead to the center of the wheel of balanced moderation and tolerance, where a steady ride becomes more sustainable than the roller coaster ride.


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paddy,

Very well said... I every so often eat white meat. I have not been successful in getting over not eating fish, as I like the taste. I feel much better when I am on a long grain brown rice diet.

I do think I had to live a life of doing things I did not enjoy before I became unbalanced enough to polarize and make a change and get into flo with the universe

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Posted 8/8/2010 1:59 PM (#19885 - in reply to #196)
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Genesis 28:17 KJV

17 And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.

see it now?

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Monk, In the NIV he says "He was afraid and said "How awesome is this place! This is none other but the house of God; This is the gate of heaven." Translations can be so interesting. Which is it awesome or dreadful, it really is just a matter of the original word and it's true meaning. Since I don't know the Latin or Greek or Hebrew or which ever language it may have been translated from, it seems that awesome is a better fit for what Jacob saw.
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Posted 8/8/2010 5:55 PM (#19901 - in reply to #196)
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Sorry Leo getting confused - are you Leo or Jake? And who is Jake? Are you saying you are Jacob reborn? Or guided by Jacob? goodness, that could be a weighty spirit guide!!??

Mazel Tov

I always resonate with that story of Jacob wrestling with the dark stranger in the tent and night.

Monk - I see Heaven perpetually, and Hell too. But I am not sure it helps. St Theresa said it best, oft cited by me here, 'all the way to Heaven is Heaven'

and Jesus, the kingdom of Heaven is all around, but ye do not see it

But I claim personal knowledge of very little and am a mere seeker as presumably is everyone here



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Paul, Actually I'm both Leo and Jacob. If you recall, I believe I explained that my spiritual name is Jacob (Jake to my friends). My spirit is Jacob and my physical being is Leo. When I return to the spiritual planes, I'm known as Jacob. Zen has been known to call me Jake the Snake on ocassion due to his and my dealings with Rose. Mostly in jest however. He always calls me Jake because that's who I am to him.
Not sure how I came by the name Jacob, must be a story there somewhere. My real name I shortened in this life experience because of negative connatations. Anyway, I like to use Jake as it reminds me of who I really am.

Paul, such modesty is wasted on me, as I know there is far more to you than you admit.

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Posted 8/8/2010 10:53 PM (#19913 - in reply to #196)
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The Bible is written in the language of the branches, using worldly names and terms to indicate spiritual processes. The stories of the Bible and The Zohar are not about people—they are about forces that act on souls. The translations of the King James Version, the New Revised Standard Version, and the New American Standard Bible are seen as fairly literal translations (or "word for word"), whereas translations like the New International Version and New Living Translation attempt to give relevant parallel idioms.

If you start changing words to suit your own view you destory the connection of root and branch. If person is a spiritual person then they should realise this.

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Posted 8/8/2010 11:22 PM (#19915 - in reply to #19913)
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HappyMonk,

Interesting to hear this. The bible does need to be studied in context... The 6 parallel is great for this I will have to look into the Zohar to learn of this.

Have you ever researched the term Anios from the Greek. It is translated into the bible as everlasting, but scholars disagree on the length of time it might actually be. I forget the exact Greek word for king, wise men and sorcerer but there is some question about the correct translation of the wise men bringing gifts to Jesus in the manger Christmas story

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what i can tell you about 3 gifts and Jesus and time.

Jesus was the messiah ,which is just a force in spiritual worlds. when he was born the 3 gifts are knowledge of the
3 lines. These 3 line are spiritual system by which God directly guides person , just like a Mother teaching her
baby to walk.

Man is born as ego (frankincense), to grow spiritual soul (not the animalistic soul) person must point themselves in
correct direction. This direction is to God, or altruism at all times(myrrh). There are natural forms altruism in this
wolrd, like altruism between a mother and her child. This is diluted form of spiritual altruism not to be confused between
the two.

What happens to a person when they step on this path? God will become your teacher he does this by burdening heart
with ego. For every event that is given to you in form of the ego you must over come it with altruism. once you overcome a given situation
you given some more for you to overcome. what is the reward? Gold. You are given Gold (expansion of spiritual soul).

This process can take 5 to 20 years. Depends on the person and of course God.What happens at end this process? you gain spiritual sight
God will reveal himself and his kingdom will also be revealed. This just first step. Form here person now develops on his own to infinity.

Each person is like a seed , just like a seed that contains just enough fuel to start process of growth. Man also contains just enough
fuel to start process. The rest must be gained from the enviroment (a spiritual group of like minded people).

If this sounds like 2 pillars of freemasons to you. Then your correct. But problem with freemasons they have losted there spiritual connection
and become corrupt with in its own ego. They perform hollow acts and do not know secrets of the path.

This process is contained with in the shape of cross, left side cross is path of ego, right side cross is altruism turning to God, bottom part of the
cross is mans desire to reach for god and top part cross is given by God alone. Man needs all 4 of these to grow spiritual. When jesus died on cross
this is a symbol of death of his animalistic soul on these 4 forces.


with regard to Anios i cant make any discernments in this name at present time.

Like i said begining we born as Egos(10% of world population are naturally altruistic ie caring people of world) this is just extra layer over ego.
True spiritual altruism is totally opposite to egosim. The 2 can't exist in same location (with out special conditions) this is why Jacob found the kingdom
of God so terrible. His whole been (him as egoist) was repelled by altuistic force of kingdom of God. Man egoism must be robed to enter the kingdom of heaven
this robing is gold reward from the work in lines as explained above.

This is the process a person works with to reveal spirituality. This process hidden in epic legends of history. This process hidden in art by the masters.

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Posted 8/9/2010 7:53 AM (#19923 - in reply to #19917)
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Monk, Yet another approach to what the bible is and says. I've lost count on the numbers of scholars who have found hidden meanings to simple stories. In my understanding, Jesus was a metaphysican. He spoke in metaphysical terms. He was taught in the Mystical Essene school. Many have believed various meanings but it seems that the TRUTH is still hidden from many. The TRUTH is not to be found in any religion nor in any book of that religion. The Hindu's are probably the most accurate. Even they don't have it totally right.
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Posted 8/9/2010 8:08 AM (#19924 - in reply to #19923)
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Leo,

I have found during the awakening process that not everything we get through Devinne revelation or channeling is 100 percent printable cannon or doctrine that we need to believe for the rest of our lives and pass on to future generations. Lets say my archetype is protector and a few other connections, then the Spirit would have a different agenda to numb my mind to allow me to have my energy turned on and my heart fired up.

Some revelations are transitory to allow expansion of the heart and mind, this is whey there is no (loosely stated) wrong doctrine!

Either it helps at the time or maybe in the future

Love and Light!
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Posted 8/9/2010 9:18 AM (#19925 - in reply to #19924)
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FoxFires. In my experience with channeling, I don't get mixed messages or any hocus-pocus. It is straight up truth from a spirit that is known as "The Master Of All Things". Now many would say that I've lost touch with reality. I've learned things that are are real. Actually my spiritual teacher is my wife's spirit guide. She is a psychic and channels many other spirits. The key to this is to know that you are speaking to a spirit that has humanities best interest at heart. Others that have been channeled are well known from their time here on the earth.

I understand what you say about transitory beliefs. My issue are the sheep that follow the transitory belief and turn it into a religion. There are millions of Christians who are like my spiritual teacher says "sheep to the slaughter". I also understand that many are not aware of their spirituality and that we are infinite spiritual beings. We do not die, we are in no way punished for anything. There is no heaven, there is no hell and no sin as well. Just karma, either good or bad.
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Posted 8/9/2010 9:49 AM (#19926 - in reply to #19925)
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Leo,

The mixed or hoc-us message seems to be more prevalent in those being radically altered by the spirit. But what is truth me may not be truth to you. You may have the ability to heal cancer and I may not, so our truths would not be the same

I can not agree with you more on making sure that using a spirit guide is a benevolent being rather than malevolent.

Telling someone they need a religion or burn forever is not a good sales pitch. I would just walk to the front of the judgment line and say can I go there to escape the madness of being perfect.

Many Christians are beautiful people, just doing the most correct thing they understand

I can't prove a heaven or hell, so I will have to ask, can I visit hell in the winter and heaven in the summer! I say this because we can not be certain of eternity, and living life to the fullest is most important. So many folks want reserved seats with God in Heaven, and many say it does not exist. Me talking about these places does not change the reality, so I just have fun with life and love my brothers as myself and learn from whom I can

Love and Light!
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Posted 8/9/2010 10:18 AM (#19927 - in reply to #196)
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Religions are designed to keep a person in state called "The Holy Still" its protects person until they are ready to progress. Religions also are guardians of sacred texts. This knowledge was passed down from generation to generation from First Age of Mesopotamia.

Here is why Hinduism is no longer system for obtaining spirituality in the last Age. Any system of meditation actively quiets the minds hence reducing the activity of EGO, the very thing that you need to learn from and grow the spiritual body (see my post above about process). How can God communicate with you if actively shutting down part of yourself that he wants to teach you?

Yes its possible to obtain whats called a drop of unifaction with spiritual realm via meditation. This is old system used for different time period. To obtain full contact with spirituality (5 spiritual senses) you need to grow to standing position and not just a point as in meditation. Why? because this is Gods plan and His will.

let me make simple for you, choose between two cameras:-

one with half million pixels or one with 20 million pixels.
which one will give you a better picture?

well its more like comparing a candle to the sun to be honest.

its that simple.

Best advance i can give to people is listen to your own heart, dont trust anything anyone tells you, including me. Only you know whats right for you.
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Posted 8/9/2010 11:04 AM (#19928 - in reply to #19927)
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I want the camera with the half a million pixels as storage may be a problem.

I see the reference to "grow to standing position" this reminds me of Psalms 1:1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

But they are describing postures of sin and you are discussing postures of spirituality!

Very interesting, So can someone find God without a spiritual leader similar to the way Noah found favor with God, and without church or a bible.

Love and Light

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Posted 8/9/2010 12:41 PM (#19931 - in reply to #19928)
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Wow, more folks who know God's will for us. On that note I must retire from anymore on this topic. The idea that meditation to find who we are is NOT conducieve to understanding is way beyond me or my spiritual teachers belief. Ego is God's way of helping us? That is way beyond me. Good luck with that. Hope that works for you. Actually it really doesn't matter because when you pass to the spiritual planes, we'll all find out for ourselves. As far as where you wind up is based on your level of spiritual vibration. That level is based on your understanding of spirit not ego.
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Posted 8/9/2010 1:09 PM (#19933 - in reply to #19931)
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Leo,

I apologize for pretending to know the will of God. I am just human.

I was leading on to a point with the target that if all other spiritual written doctrine was lost except Hindu, then would mankind be lost spiritually.

I guess I did not present this very well. I am truly sorry for seeming closed minded.

I was trying to let others express how their feelings, and ask key questions

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Posted 8/9/2010 1:17 PM (#19934 - in reply to #196)
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Can you self correct with out a teacher or master? i know were this question comes from with in you and level of discernment in psalm means you have alot progress along path which is great. answer is difficult one because its a yes and no answer. Yes a person can reach spirituality by themselves but only because God has choosen
that person to perform a special task. Out side this no just not possible at present moment in time. Until person develops to stage where they see God directly and speak directly to him , we are like blind, deaf and mute and all we can feel is someone who guiding us. Imagine been a new born child how they would see the world, everything is blurry and cant speak and hearing is not very good. But you know you are loved and can feel loving embrace of your mother.

So we need someone to keep us aimed in right direction, someone to pick us up when load just seems to much to carry, to remind us of Greatness of creator. This someone we call a true friend.This work is internal to person but important study with like minded people. There is stages jsut before person is ready that they need to study alone this ok as well theres nothing wrong with this. You will know when it happens cause your heart will tell you.
It comes down to amount fuel(desire) you have to reach goal. No fuel mean no progress. You maybe one those special souls that dont need a teacher. There is great many of them in world.

Psalm 22 discribes it perfectly. "In the night season im not silent" so beautiful.

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sorry Leo you feel this way. I agree with you on spiritual vibration and level of existence i would say it different way. But your absolutely right in what you say. There is no right or wrong just different views.

Maranatha my friend.
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Posted 8/9/2010 1:53 PM (#19936 - in reply to #19934)
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HappyMonk,

You did not answer the question, but what I was hinting at was there is NO wrong search for God. What I feel happens is we sometimes we get a message ... Indicating stay away from a religion. With a message like this we sometimes think this is a bad one... When the real message may be that your guide is a North American source and they can help you better if you choose different materials.

A message on a path may not still apply in a year.

I am just trying to be helpful. friendly and patient. I see you have just started posting here, me too, we don't have hundreds or thousands of posts like some, but I want to learn patience before being spiritual.

Thanks My Friend!!!
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Posted 8/9/2010 1:55 PM (#19937 - in reply to #19935)
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This is what I believe; Metaphysics deals with the reality of the Universe, of mankind and of nature generally in less scientific or mathematically oriented terms than quantum physics. The term metaphysics is derived from the Greek words "meta" which means "after" and "physika" which means "of nature".

Everything is an aspect of infinite intelligence, every person, every animal, every tree, every star and every planet, and every micro-organism, however small, is ultimately an equal aspect of the very same Energy; there is no separateness except as an illusion created by the ego and five physical senses; we and everything in the Universe without exception are one.

Because the Universe is infinite intelligence of which we are all integral aspects, Quanta of Energy are influenced by the Mind; thought also being pure Energy. Whenever you look at a possession such as a house, a car, a television set, they are in fact nothing more or less than an arrangement of Energy, or Quanta, ultimately created by thought processes of the Mind. If these objects were to be inspected very closely, it would be apparent that they are not solid at all but are rather composed of Quanta of Energy vibrating and moving at extremely high rates in an out of the object being observed.

Nothing can exist permanently unless it is observed because it is Mind that controls and shapes Quanta of Energy, and without that focus of the Mind the Quanta would once again become a "potential" for something else. If for example everyone in the world were to cease observing the world and everything in it, by ceasing to focus on it's perceived existence, then everything would cease to exist.

According to metaphysics we have no limits, no boundaries, no specific point of existence, these are all illusions created by the ego and the five physical senses and the fact that most people are focused entirely in the physical world which they continue to observe and regard as reality. Everyone is an integral aspect of the same Mind-field, much bigger and more powerful than most people can possibly realize or have the capacity as yet to comprehend.



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In addition;

As body, Soul and Spirit, our Ultimate Reality is infinite Energy and intelligence beyond the boundaries of space and time as a true Son or Daughter of God, existing infinitely and concurrently across the entire Universe in all spheres of life and reality. Our localised reality is simply our point of focus, our point of conscious awareness, which, for most people, for the time being, is within the physical body; most people still erroneously perceiving themselves as completely separate individual people, housed in a body of flesh. Only when every one begins to fully understand their own nature as infinite Spiritual beings of the magnificent multi-dimensional Universe can the human race turn back towards its true purpose, to evolve back to the First Cause, The Light, God.

"Reality is an illusion, allbeit a rather persistant one." Albert Einstein



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Absolutely agree with Leo we all part of the one as we must unite as whole again totally absolutely agree with you. Its at core what i belive. Nature is pushing us to do this.

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leo - 8/9/2010 2:05 PM

In addition;

As body, Soul and Spirit, our Ultimate Reality is infinite Energy and intelligence beyond the boundaries of space and time as a true Son or Daughter of God, existing infinitely and concurrently across the entire Universe in all spheres of life and reality. Our localised reality is simply our point of focus, our point of conscious awareness, which, for most people, for the time being, is within the physical body; most people still erroneously perceiving themselves as completely separate individual people, housed in a body of flesh. Only when every one begins to fully understand their own nature as infinite Spiritual beings of the magnificent multi-dimensional Universe can the human race turn back towards its true purpose, to evolve back to the First Cause, The Light, God.

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sorry im not smartest of people, could you restate your question put ? at end so i know

FoxFires - 8/9/2010 1:53 PM

HappyMonk,

You did not answer the question, but what I was hinting at was there is NO wrong search for God. What I feel happens is we sometimes we get a message ... Indicating stay away from a religion. With a message like this we sometimes think this is a bad one... When the real message may be that your guide is a North American source and they can help you better if you choose different materials.

A message on a path may not still apply in a year.

I am just trying to be helpful. friendly and patient. I see you have just started posting here, me too, we don't have hundreds or thousands of posts like some, but I want to learn patience before being spiritual.

Thanks My Friend!!!
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The nearer to The Source we reach, the more we experience the glories of The Light until finally reaching, and having the potential to reunite with The Source of The Light, and to once again cease to be existed as an individuated Being, but rather to be at One with God. This is the ultimate meaning of life, our ultimate purpose.

So at the final analysis, it is clear that their is only one truth, one Universe and one reality and both quantum physics and metaphysics describe this reality very well considering the sheer magnitude of everything that consitutes the Universe as a whole.

Do you agree on this position?
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Far as i understand once everyone in this world has come to reveal God and everyone is united.This corporeal world will have servered it purpose and will take on a different form or it will become defunct. Yes i agree we must unite as one with God that is our work. But its uniting of desire to return to God its not some corporeal act will get you there.

Its a perfect prayer or perfect desire or you might understand it as pure and perfect level of vibrational enegry with in man. Everything else in this world is just means to point us to this one desire,prayer or vibrational enegry. Its only work upon this one thing that grows us as spiritual beings.

Yes i do agree.
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