Healing and money
Elizabeth Ann
Posted 7/4/2007 4:47 AM (#2125)
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For many years I have been thinking about the subject of helping others using the gifts and the skills that we have developed, perhaps over many lifetimes. So many people think that healing in whatever form should not be charged for. Indeed many years ago when I was running a very profitable business I also believed this. I was happy to give healing help to all without wanting or needing anything in return. I even returned some cheques that were sent to me one Christmas from people who I had helped during the year I told them I did not need their money.

I recounted this to a very learned healer who has been a bit of a mentor to me. He explained that I should have accepted their gifts and as I had returned them I had stopped the free flow of energy and probably offended these people in the process. Maybe this precipitated my present financial circumstances.

Still I had this internal battle going on within me. I have now spent 15 years actively developing my gifts and skills, spending a great deal of money and time in the process. The Universe has most definitely pushed me into working full-time dedicating myself to helping others to help themselves, and there is nothing else that I would rather do. I so agree with Doc J who is in the same position as me, we are both self-employed, have families to support, mortgages and bills to pay so I wonder why so many expect us to work for free even those who have so much more than either of us. The clients I have been working with of late have also been sent to teach me this lesson.

In Britain MD’s in general practice are now paid £2000 or about $4000 a WEEK, and I believe this fuels some people’s expectation that my services and others like me should also be free, not taking into consideration that we are not on a government salary. Of course this does not stop me from helping those I come across in my everyday life. I have no need to shout out ‘I am a healer come to me’ I just do what I can quietly then continue with my day to day business.

So what do you think? Even over the past couple of days I have again been battling with myself over this. Slowly but surely I realise that I must get over this, with my clients there needs to be an exchange, it does not have to be money, my needs are fairly simple but I do need enough to live on. Above all I have a complete trust and faith in the Universe and realise that I have had to learn some very strong lessons in this lifetime.


Elizabeth
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Frank in Japan
Posted 7/4/2007 9:21 AM (#2126 - in reply to #2125)
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Hello Elizabeth Ann,

I'm currently thinking about how I can 'make a living' by incorporating metaphysical work alongside part time employment, then eventually being self sufficient. I'm currently employed full time, but have already begun transforming my way of living.

The mentor which talked to you about the flow of money/energy mentioned something that I have been working with for some time now. I have a strong feeling that he is giving valuable guidance, and perhaps if you still have the chance, talk more with him about the details.

I believe that as we never really 'own' anything (we temporarily use it while we are in this lifetime - and that even goes for the house we have a mortgage on), all we can do is give our love, ourselves and our things away. The irony is, the more we give, the more that comes back, which means the more we can give an so the cycle continues... Off the top of my head, I don't recall the names of some of the authors who have written books about this concept.

For example, by graciously accepting a gift, or even charging a fee, you are able to look after yourself and your family, which allows you to continue and even expand on your contributions to the world. It may even potentially give you power and resources to help those in the greatest need free of charge, who previously you couldn't reach for whatever reason.

If you can organize non-monetary exchanges, that's a great one too! I do that at the moment with a student I teach English to. I didn't want to accept money, as I simply didn't want the added pressure/expectations/appointment to my weekly schedule, but I enjoy teaching the student. So, now, she brings beautiful cakes, and I make the fresh coffee! It's a very comfortable arrangement and a very different experience which I enjoy. BUT, I couldn't do this for all of my students.

Perhaps a happy medium with all this, that could allow for the bills, mortgage and family, is to use your discretion in individual cases. Maybe, a rough guide of fees, and then as you get to know a client, intuitively finding a fee or exchange that will allow you go on and help more people. Perhaps even providing literature in the case of fee paying clients, so that both parties are 'on the same page' about what you can offer, briefly describing your experience etc. I know 'self promotion' is a term that used to make me cringe and choke, but perhaps an informal version thereof could be helpful in also enlightening your clients about your not-for-big-profits kind of approach to your work. ie: highlighting to your clients about your loving approach to your work.

I hope some of those ideas might help. I think I can understand the mixed feelings about reaching a decision on these things. The Universe has provided for you and I in the past, and I too have trust and faith that it will continue to do so.

Blessings and peace,

Frank


Edited by Frank in Japan 7/4/2007 9:26 AM
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Elizabeth Ann
Posted 7/4/2007 12:19 PM (#2130 - in reply to #2126)
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Hi Frank

Thank you so much for your thoughts on this subject. One of the things that I have always believed is that there are some who are sent to me for help directly by the Universe. When I do what I can for them money plays no part as I know the Universe will provide. I feel that these people are not 'clients' and it is my absolute duty to help.

I do provide my clients with a mass of literature most of which I like to send via email but I often give an appropriate booklet on various subjects from the seventeen that I have written.

Two weeks ago one of my sons and I were chatting in the front room while he waited for his mate to arrive, my three greyhounds were snoozing in the same room, it was 9.45am on a Saturday morning. To cut a long story short we did not realise that a couple of thieves came through the open back door, emptied my sons wallet, went into my office/dining room just 5 ft from us, took my bag, which contained all my keys, cards, cheque books etc, my expensive iridology camera, then used my keys to take my car as well. I'd had the car for 17 years and it was due an MOT today but was getting to the end of its life although it was mechanically sound and very tidy. I probably won't claim for the car as I will lose my no claims and I would probably only get a £100 pay out.

Then my contents insurance company refused to cover my loss for the camera, bag, cash etc, because the thieves did not break in or out. This was a clause on my consulting rooms but they applied it to my home as well.

My eldest son does a lot of work for a farmer and when he heard what had happened he offered us the use of a car which he was about to scrap. I'm using this now and it is great, 5 years younger than the old one, so we bought it from him for the scrap value only as my eldest son and I share a car. It is perfect for us as it is a Ford Escort Ghia turbo estate with roof rack, tow hitch and is very tidy except the drivers door where the farmers son drove a digger into it. My son is a diesel fitter and has sorted what was needed and one of my clients is giving me a surplus radio/tape player for it. Aren't people great?

When other people heard what had happened I was given advice from the head of a security firm plus a sensor and alarm box, help, advice, information and marking pens from a neighbourhood watch co-ordinator that I know.

Then in the first post after the robbery were some details about a national Trauma Specialists register and I decided this was for me. I was wondering why I was seeing so many young women who self harm and other people with such heart rending trauma. Unfortunately there are so many like these in desperate need for help. All of a sudden I have booked in a stream of people including another three from London for iridology so I had to buy another cheaper but superior camera yesterday! The registration of the new car ends in CAM so it will be a constant reminder.

I think all this has been giving me cause for deep soul searching which is why I posted up this subject as I haven’t been able to sort my jumbled thoughts, as yet.

Love and Light

Elizabeth
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Tracy Martin
Posted 7/4/2007 7:54 PM (#2132 - in reply to #2125)
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Elizabeth, you are not greedy, you are generous and embracing.  Allow the Universe to bless you through all kinds of exchanges of energy, including currency. Love and Respect!
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cause
Posted 7/4/2007 8:01 PM (#2134 - in reply to #2125)
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I would like to respond to Elizabeth's first post. Your statement that people where offended by your refusal of gifts is undoubtedly unwarranted. People who are sick want to be well, you healed them and this is in no way diminished by your refusal of gifts. Wellness is blessing beyond measure to anyone who has been sick.
Secondly, you deserve to live well, and no one should say otherwise. You have been educated to heal and that is undoubtedly an expense. Many people would miss your dilemma. Healing gratis is a lifestyle that is, I'm sure, difficult to support. If you charge everybody you may miss people who deserve to be well. And, if you charge some people, you are left with the choice of who to charge and who not to charge. I respect anyone who is in the position to make this decision.

Keep healing!

cause
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Frank in Japan
Posted 7/5/2007 10:00 AM (#2135 - in reply to #2125)
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Hi Elizabeth,

Thank you for sharing your experience with how the Universe has indeed come through with what you needed after what must have been a very disappointing and difficult time.

I have had experiences where things have gone disastrously wrong, but in the end have simply provided necessary energy shifts (and resultant changes in fundamental priorities) for better opportunities to become able to surface.

The Universe, in response to the energy you have invested thinking about these issues, will surely give you answers as to how you can continue your generosity and still have your needs met. How to find the balance in the short, medium and longer terms.

I've certainly had experiences with severe chronic stress relating to finances, and I have experienced great fear at certain times in my life about financial resources. I have however, come to get more comfortable with the ebb and flow of money as another form of energy. The less I focus on the lack of resources when that occurs, and give something of myself or resources away anyway, the attention shift takes place, and allows for more creative finance related ideas to come in too. The tide has always returned, and I have the Universe to thank for that.

Blessings and peace,

Frank
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Elizabeth Ann
Posted 7/5/2007 11:27 AM (#2136 - in reply to #2135)
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Hi Frank

Thank you so much, there is great wisdom in what you write.

Elizabeth
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Elizabeth Ann
Posted 7/5/2007 11:40 AM (#2137 - in reply to #2134)
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Hi Cause

Many thanks for your reponse. At the time when I returned the cheques I must admit that I felt that they could not accept my gift in the spirit it was given. Others on a more spiritual pathway would realise the gift and in return would then help others in whatever way they could, spreading compassion, love and understanding by example.

Love & Light

Elizabeth
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mruppert
Posted 7/7/2007 12:57 AM (#2144 - in reply to #2125)
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Hi to all in this discussion:
Just some story that you might draw some conclusions from....
I went to see a "gypsy" fortune teller a while back and paid 15 USD for a session that told me nothing that I did not all ready know. It was fun, and not very expensive.
Recently, my research associate went to Blackpool, UK (she lives in the UK) and had a session with Madam Petulengro; who is world famous. My research associate is neither naive nor gullible, nor easily fooled, and never made a fool of. It cost her a good bit of quid (that is to say pounds for those not English) but, it was well worth it. Madam Petulengro told her of many things, BUT, the most striking thing was she spoke of me, in the USA. There is NO WAY IN THE WORLD she could have known this....just NO WAY! The point is, the quid was well spent, given to a woman who has a true talent. Shouldn't she be paid for it?
I work for the State of Maryland, at a state university (which fortunately for me, my institution has a worldwide presence, so I get the added benefit of dealing with classrooms across the globe ) but I do it for the money....not for any joy in what I do...as I'd rather be doing something else. My research associate now works for the Queen; she loves what she does, but also does it for the money. Her healing practice is free. Sure, she would rather do healing full time, but how does one pay the mortgage and send a young man to Uni? (That's University for us Americans, or as we say college).
Dear Elizabeth, I have read your dissertation, and know, in my limited understanding, of what you do. And I have also seen your credentials, via your website, and I am impressed. Confirmedly so, as we have chatted about psychology and healing philosophies. I cannot see why you would not place a value, in monetary terms, for your services as rendered.
Charlatans and deceivers will quickly grab the money up, why not bring honesty and integrety to the fore? You can do this, without qualms, without reservations, without doubt.

Sincerely, your friend,
Marty



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Elizabeth Ann
Posted 7/7/2007 4:53 AM (#2145 - in reply to #2144)
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Hi Tracy and Marty

Thank you so much for your help in my confusion

Elizabeth
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cause
Posted 7/8/2007 10:23 PM (#2157 - in reply to #2125)
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mruppert has expressed eloquently what I wished to convey. Again, you deserve to live well.
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Dancer
Posted 7/15/2007 12:03 AM (#2213 - in reply to #2125)
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My humble opinion and what I intend to do in the future for my counseling clients is to have a price list for services, and then offer a sliding scale in small print, that the client would have to ask about. If they inquire, I will ask for a general monthly statement of income/expenses so we can figure out what would be fair. I have run another business for almost 10 years and have helped more than a few along the way with freebies. I have found I get burned most often by those who are handed the freebies without any questioning or work on their end. Not that I will ever stop helping people even though this has happened, but I find that if people have a vested interest in something, (paying a decent amount for it),they will consider it to have more value to them. You are worth every penny they spend on you. Most likely they will value your services more the higher your price even. But I do see your dilemma, which is why I say what I do as an alernative. I am currently looking at a new partnership with the schools, where I would be providing services free of charge, and have decided that because the services are directed at kids, I will require them to write a short essay or if younger, draw me a picture of why they would like my services, and then again half way through the scheduled session. I am hoping that this brings me people who really want to do this, rather than people just looking for handouts.
That's just my take.
Good luck to you.
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mruppert
Posted 7/15/2007 1:43 AM (#2214 - in reply to #2125)
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Hi all:
Dancer stated an interesting business model and practice.
I have one caution about what Dancer said.
Many countries somehow codify the "common law" (derived from England) into their legal systems. The USA develops and defines the "common law" to the most infintessimal of circumstances, primarily through the "law of torts".
In essence, if "we" agree that I shall give you "consideration" (e.g. money) for a "good or service" then a "contract" is created. If I do not pay you, then you have recourse under the law, to make me pay. ON THE OTHER HAND, if you do not give me the good or perform the service as agreed, then I have recourse under the law to make YOU pay me back, not only what I paid you, but also to pay me further for any circumstances that arise from your non-performance of the contract.
No big deal, as long as you are willing to pay exorbitant insurance fees to protect yourself against liability suits.
Regards,
Marty
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Dancer
Posted 7/16/2007 3:34 PM (#2235 - in reply to #2214)
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Thanks for your reply to my post Marty, could you please expound though?
I'm not sure I follow exactly what you're getting at, or which part of my message you were responding to.

Thanks much
Dancer
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AmeM
Posted 7/16/2007 7:17 PM (#2239 - in reply to #2125)
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Hi Elizabeth and Everyone:

I just have to reply to this one. I usually have a set fee, but will use a sliding scale based on what the client says they can pay. I don't ask for pay stubs or anything - even if someone lies about what they can afford (very rare), someone else will pay me more than I ask to make up for it. Or give me a gift or something. It always happens that way. Also, to keep from ever "feeling bad" about charging, I also volunteer at certain events. Many times I can participate in fund raisers where I either give a gift certificate that people buy, or they can just put money in a jar for the fund raiser. I always advocate volunteering and giving back. I think this also lets the Universe know that you are appreciative of all that has been provided in your life.

As far as giving back money, many people are very offended by this. I never ever do this. I grew up very, very poor, but we never accepted "hand outs" and this may be what your clients felt when you returned their money. Instead, if I feel someone should not have had to pay or they overpaid me, I give the money away - usually to some charity or other. Or every once in a while if I'm at a fast food place, I use the money to pay for someone else's order. You have to pick the right person, though, or they may freak out a little. I usually just say it's my Random Act of Kindness for the week and would they please let me pass on a gift that someone gave me. I also usually mention the website www.ActsofKindness.org that people can check out. Just find some way to spread the money around if you aren't comfortable taking it. At any rate, I mostly just thank the Universe for the money I wasn't expecting, pay some bills, and move on. An extra message or day at the spa doesn't hurt either. I mean, it sounds like you are very focused on your family, which is always a great quality. But maybe the Universe is telling you a little extra money should be spent pampering yourself?

However, I wonder why you're not comfortable taking it? You've spent so much time and money and effort and you deserve to be rewarded for the valuable service you provide.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear so many people's opinions on this. I know it is something almost everyone struggles with. Even in a "regular" job, women especially are less likely to ask for more money or raises. At least here in the States.
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mruppert
Posted 7/16/2007 10:17 PM (#2244 - in reply to #2125)
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Hi Dance:
I'll do this the only way I can......
Mr. Marty goes to see Madam Zorazorro to have his fortune told. The Madam says that she charges 100 clams for the deluxe package. He forks the dough over. The Madam tells him that he will receive fantastic amounts of money in a month and that within the year, he will marry Brittany BowsnArrows, a pop chantreuse. All bursting with joy, Mr. Marty waits and waits and waits. At the end of the year, Mr. Marty has lost all his specie, down to the last bit of fuzz he can find under the couch cushions, and Ms. BowsnArrows has remarried here ex, Kelvin Fodderling. Sooo, Mr. Marty marches back to Madam Zorazorro and says "Hey, nothing you said would come true has come true so gimme my mullah back!" Madam Zorazorro tosses Mr. Marty out the door where he falls heavily on his bum.
Still minus his 100 clams, and with a sore bum, Mr. Marty sues Madam Zorazorro for his dough. The judge says "Are you for real, or what?" The judge tosses Mr. Marty's suit out, and has the bailiff toss Mr. Marty out, thereby creating even greater pain in the rear, where Mr. Marty, in the past, has landed, and now once again.
Mr. Marty goes to see Boaz the Beneficient, who heals people of maladies through the use of Quizno-magnatomic Progressiveregressive Hypnohydro Therapy. He shows Mr. Marty a scale of fees, with a loop-de-loop slide scale, and a calculus slope payment option, including absolute zero temperature financing. Mr. Marty agrees to the fees WITH THE EXPECTATION that Boaz the Beneficient is going to make his rearward selfhood all better. After many sessions, including the application of the pangalactic collostrometer, Mr. Marty can still barely sit down, and barely stand up, and has some serious pain in reference to the ol' derrierer. This is after Mr. Marty has laid out some heavy coin of the realm to Boaz the Beneficient.
More broke than ever, Mr. Marty sues again, this time Boaz the Beneficient. The judge then says "BB (that's Boaz the Beneficient) you took MM's hard earned bread with the UNDERSTANDING that after therapy, the pain in his backside would slackside and he would be able to reside in comfort. But you didn't do that, now didja? You gotta give him every single red cent back.....and because poor Mr. Marty has lived in pain, long and hard, you gotta give him some more centavos for his suffering".
So, Mr. Marty gets back the 75 pence he spent for Boaz's therapy, and 15.5 gazillion dollahs for the pain and suffering he endured. With that many bucks, Pristina Aguilerious, another pop chantreuse, falls madly in love with him; they marry and have 2.5 kids, and a Volvo station wagon, with a Pratt-Whitney jet engine, and pimped like everythang.
One day, he returns to Madam Zorazorro, and slips her some serious Presidents, because, afterall, what she told him did "sorta" come true.
Oh, and Boaz was known as "Boaz the Bankrupt" for awhile, until he took another course, and is now known as Boaz the Mean-Bleems and Bleems-Meme therapist, who now helps people be mindful of memes, but never promises, by accepting fees, the specificity of results that can be expected.

Hope this helps,
Krazily yours,
Marty
Disclaimer: Any resemblance of the fictional people in this narrrative to real people is purely manifest destiny. All liars...oops...I mean lawyers participatory in the cases cited above are degreed and licensed, and may, one day, also learn the meaning of justice, just as soon as they quit the practice of law and take jobs at WalMart and Starbucks.
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Elizabeth Ann
Posted 7/18/2007 4:58 AM (#2282 - in reply to #2125)
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I happened on your post early yesterday morning and thought I would just look at youtube but I was hooked. I watched all eight straight off and by then it was about 8.30am so I decided to link in once I realised we were on summer time here. For over an hour before we began there seemed to be a stillness. I linked in to meditate, I am very used to long meditations but after 30 minutes I became aware that a pump truck was clearing the drain at the bottom of my road, orange light flashing and all, it was there for quite a while. It was not really disturbing me so I just linked back in deeply.

At the end of the hour I noticed that it had started to rain very heavily and a couple of minutes later two of my sons came back from work as it was lunchtime. Then it rained some more and around five minutes after my sons came in we had a flash flood coming off the hill road beside me, and water had nearly reached my back door. Never seen anything like this before nor has my Dad who has been around here for more than eighty years. My youngest son was home as well so we started to shift the water so the house did not flood and then went up to my consulting rooms to do the same there. My was it tipping it down, as I said never seen anything like it here before, I live in a built up area near town, the road to the side of me was like a river and the main road to the front of me was just water right up over the pavements. The drains were overwhelmed by the amount of water. Then I thought about the big drain on the corner being cleared and I realised things could have been much worse. It was all over in about 15 minutes but since then I have realised my task here is Earth Healing, something I was working on many years ago which had drifted to the background for a while.

Have a look at www.fountain-international.org You can view online a film and meditation called 'Helping to Heal the World" Simple but so very effective.

My humble opinion and what I intend to do in the future for my counseling clients is to have a price list for services, and then offer a sliding scale in small print, that the client would have to ask about. If they inquire, I will ask for a general monthly statement of income/expenses so we can figure out what would be fair. I have run another business for almost 10 years and have helped more than a few along the way with freebies. I have found I get burned most often by those who are handed the freebies without any questioning or work on their end. Not that I will ever stop helping people even though this has happened, but I find that if people have a vested interest in something, (paying a decent amount for it),they will consider it to have more value to them. You are worth every penny they spend on you. Most likely they will value your services more the higher your price even. But I do see your dilemma, which is why I say what I do as an alernative. I am currently looking at a new partnership with the schools, where I would be providing services free of charge, and have decided that because the services are directed at kids, I will require them to write a short essay or if younger, draw me a picture of why they would like my services, and then again half way through the scheduled session. I am hoping that this brings me people who really want to do this, rather than people just looking for handouts.

I just have to reply to this one. I usually have a set fee, but will use a sliding scale based on what the client says they can pay. I don't ask for pay stubs or anything - even if someone lies about what they can afford (very rare), someone else will pay me more than I ask to make up for it. Or give me a gift or something. It always happens that way. Also, to keep from ever "feeling bad" about charging, I also volunteer at certain events. Many times I can participate in fund raisers where I either give a gift certificate that people buy, or they can just put money in a jar for the fund raiser. I always advocate volunteering and giving back. I think this also lets the Universe know that you are appreciative of all that has been provided in your life.

As far as giving back money, many people are very offended by this. I never ever do this. I grew up very, very poor, but we never accepted "hand outs" and this may be what your clients felt when you returned their money. Instead, if I feel someone should not have had to pay or they overpaid me, I give the money away - usually to some charity or other. Or every once in a while if I'm at a fast food place, I use the money to pay for someone else's order. You have to pick the right person, though, or they may freak out a little. I usually just say it's my Random Act of Kindness for the week and would they please let me pass on a gift that someone gave me. I also usually mention the website www.ActsofKindness.org that people can check out. Just find some way to spread the money around if you aren't comfortable taking it. At any rate, I mostly just thank the Universe for the money I wasn't expecting, pay some bills, and move on. An extra message or day at the spa doesn't hurt either. I mean, it sounds like you are very focused on your family, which is always a great quality. But maybe the Universe is telling you a little extra money should be spent pampering yourself?

However, I wonder why you're not comfortable taking it? You've spent so much time and money and effort and you deserve to be rewarded for the valuable service you provide.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear so many people's opinions on this. I know it is something almost everyone struggles with. Even in a "regular" job, women especially are less likely to ask for more money or raises. At least here in the States.

Dancer
You are so right about some of the people who we give freebies to and who do not value this gift to them.

AmeM
I love what you say about picking the right person when you pay someone else’s order, yes a lot of people would freak out. I also now believe that you need to pick the right people to give freebies to as well because of what Dancer said about some not valuing your gift.

But with a developed spiritual being I truly feel honoured to help and that is reward enough. I just need to work out the right ones and charge the rest. I think my lesson was not so much about being uncomfortable taking money, as this has now become a necessity but that I should not allow certain people to take so much from me, thus making me question why I was allowing this.

I have been able to sort my thoughts especially after Fire the Grid yesterday, see my post to explain more. Suddenly I knew the answer to my dilemma. In the past I have done much work concerning Earth healing, many years ago I was taking part in a healing weekend where therapists around me were focused on money, money, money. A situation was brought to me by the Universe where Earth healing was required it also happened to be Full Moon that night. I did my bit, I saw myself as the part required on the Earth plane, like a key, so on doing my bit the rest was actioned by other Universal spiritual beings and energies above me to complete the task. When I went back to the healing event the next day I could not stop laughing, the therapists around me must have thought I was mad, they were probably right! All that I could hear in my mind was “Well who do I send the bill to?” Money was totally irrelevant; I absolutely knew that the Universe would take care of me. I am now remembering that which I always knew.

In the last week in a moment of inspiration I decided to put on a healing event in my home town. I used to run 3 or 4 very large International motorcycle and life style shows a year for 20 years. I can use this event as a showcase for myself and other healers, therapists, readers and associated traders, and help those in need in the process. I can now use all my skills and intuition again, I feel so motivated and energised and loving this new venture, I am devoting one fabulous circular room for mass healings that will culminate in utilising the energy that builds up to help heal the Earth and all in and on it. This event will be free to visitors, the rent will be covered by the participants. I have every intention of building this event up to a large one and maybe even putting on healing events at other venues in Britain.

Many Bright Blessings to Frank, Tracy, Marty, Cause, Dancer and AmeM, hope I didn’t miss anyone, for helping to sort me out.

Love and Light

One very much revitalised, Elizabeth

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Tracy Martin
Posted 7/18/2007 1:46 PM (#2284 - in reply to #2125)
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Marty, you are too funny. Chuckling away at work. Elizabeth, your creativity is exploding like beautiful fireworks all over the world!

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mruppert
Posted 7/19/2007 12:19 AM (#2291 - in reply to #2125)
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Hi to all of you wonderful people,
Silliness aside, I have no great love or affinity for traditional doctors, or medicine. Although I am required to by my employer's health plan, I see a doctor rarely. Every year for a "checkup?" NO, not for me. Once, every five years, a nurse calls me and says that I have not been in for my yearly checkup in five years. So, I gotta go! I walk in feeling on the tippy-top of the world, and I walk out having learned that I have every imaginable malady EXCEPT "Housemaid's Knee" (a tip of the hat to Jerome K. Jerome)
And, I abhor the "business" that the care and curing of those that are sick has become. The schedules, scales, and lists for the treatment of conditions makes me sicker than those that are sick.
Vultures gather around a profoundly flawed system of health care and pick the bones of it clean by virtue of lawsuits.
Alternative and holistic therapies and practices have long been immune to the carnage that is our present day health care quagmire. But, as these alternative and holistic practices become more and more "mainstream" it won't be long before the vultures smell a happy meal.
All I am saying is that when anyone sets themselves up to be "like", in any way, shape, fashion, or form, our traditional practice of health care, THEY MUST also recognize that the vultures, having picked the bones of traditional health care clean, will look for another meal, and a most satisfying one. So, those that engage in the art of healing, particulary for money, must be aware and prepared for such an instance.
To all of you, and particularly to the true healers,
Solace, Peace...Profound,
Marty


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Dancer
Posted 7/19/2007 6:27 PM (#2312 - in reply to #2125)
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Elizabeth Ann,

I am so happy for you. It feels so good to sort things out after a major mind fog, you must be on cloud nine!
Thank you for all you do for the earth, her people, and those of us here at UMS!
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Elizabeth Ann
Posted 7/20/2007 4:21 AM (#2317 - in reply to #2312)
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Hi Dancer

It is more like cloud 59 at the moment

Elizabeth
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Elizabeth Ann
Posted 7/29/2007 10:25 AM (#2428 - in reply to #2282)
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I was going to post an update here and I noticed that my post 2282 on the 18th July also included posts by others on this thread, but I am unable to alter this now. The Universe at work in some way no doubt!!

Anyway to the update, I am well into putting on this new healing event on 29th Septemeber this year and I have also booked Sunday 30th March 2008 and Saturday 27th September 2008 which I plan to be a very big event. As I am offering free entry I needed a way to make some money for myself here. I am charging traders, therapists, healers and readers for space so I can at least cover the rent on the rooms, marketing, paperwork etc. I thought about mini iridology sessions and selling my jewellery (I have made so much of it!!) but I will also be running the event, and doing mass healings so how could I split myself so many ways?

I have now been given the answer, my task is to put on these healing events to bring all the people together who are drawn to this event. There is no point messing around with mini iridology readings as this will tie me up. So I need to sell my jewellery and my tumble stones and in the process talk to however may need to talk to me. Feels good, then at other times I will be able to help those around me as and when necessary. I love making the jewellery and have been improving my methods as I go, this jewellery is made with love and will give each person what they need. I will be able to make some money doing the events but still provide free entry and have a place to sell my jewellery which will also help me financially, and others, so I now feel very good about all this. I can be there to help those around me who can give me whatever, a donation, buy a necklace or give me some of their valuable time to help the World, the Universe and many other souls at these events. It has taken quite a long time to sort this all out, it is more of an exchange and sits very well with me.

Hope all this makes sense, it is a revelation to me!! At the wedding yesterday where I did the reading from the Bible as requested, there were a couple of souls who told me their stories and others who may need to tell me theirs as well so I can help them on their personal pathways. I have never charged for working in this way. However the iridology I am very happy to charge for, it is very demanding and I certainly would not choose to do this for free.

Many thanks to all who have read and/or responded to this thread.

Love and Light

Elizabeth
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mruppert
Posted 7/29/2007 9:47 PM (#2430 - in reply to #2125)
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Hi Doc Diamond.....go where your heart takes you and you will never have pause or regret. Nor will you ever need or want.
Warmest,
Marty
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Dancer
Posted 7/30/2007 10:36 AM (#2434 - in reply to #2428)
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Wish you were closer to the U.S., I'd love to get in on your event!
Best of luck!
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Elizabeth Ann
Posted 7/30/2007 5:48 PM (#2441 - in reply to #2434)
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Hi Marty

Thanks for your sincere message it strikes right into my heart, my dear friend.

Hi Dancer

You would be very welcome if you could make it, the big one will be on Saturday 27th September 2008, perhaps that might be possible. See how things develop for you.

Very best wishes

Elizabeth
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Danjummai
Posted 8/4/2007 3:38 PM (#2472 - in reply to #2125)
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Hi Everyone,

I do not know whether I have come in a little late on this topic or not. Nonetheless, I want to think that may be the reason why some healers are tried in the matter of money has something to do with the yoke of doubt inherent in minds. Healing is invariably a no coincidence. It is something to do with mastering the matrix combination which is something hidden, something in the mind and to be able to channel that energy to the right places. Doubt is a great obstacle in the process of growth and maturity. Orthodox health practitioners will not hesitate to explain to their patients the cost implication of a therapy. The first thing they do before embarking in the process of healing is to charge you.

 I have this idea of precision healing in which healers Worth-their-salt will diagnose/analyze patients and issues based on a set framework and achieve an on-the-dot solution. I know there are healers of this caliber working out there. I have come across a few in this life's unending search. Those I met have no room for what we know as humility. They charge you for their service and unfailingly deliver. I think what such guys have is more than the humility and self-confidence taught us in healing classes. What those guys are able to do is to have synchronized the art of their trade and are able to proudly exert it in the right places.

Humility, yeah, no doubt, the bedrock of gift of healing. But still, I think it is supposed to reach healers onto Absolute Control. "To give and expect nothing in return," is such a powerful maxim if it conforms with laws of balance. Some healers are strictly prohibited from requesting or recieving anything from sitters/patients throughout their learning period. The saying is that they should not take while learning for the virtue in giving out is what builds our inner being. That sounds OK to me on the basis that it should be strictly during a short learning period. I see nothing wrong with taking the little manna after graduation. I want to think that there is no free lunch even with God (or the Source.). Two things will prevent a healer from receiving their God/Nature given right - one is when the healer is not too sure what they are doing or that they are rich enough and therefore do not want to add up in money, which is another strong healing tonic. I am not sure of what I doodled. I am not sure whether  I have made a meaningful contribution. 

PEACE.

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Elizabeth Ann
Posted 8/4/2007 8:19 PM (#2474 - in reply to #2472)
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Hi Danjummai

Thank you so much for your input, it is very good to hear different views on this subject and I will certainly take what you have written and really think about it. I do a great deal of thinking as I am constantly searching for my answers, this is why I need to meditate so I can allow time for intuition. In the very recent past I seem to have been bouncing back and forth in the process of working everything out in my own mind.

There are so many around who are not on the level of the healers that you mention, which is why there seems to be such a debate about this subject, in Britain at any rate.

Very best wishes


Elizabeth
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mruppert
Posted 8/4/2007 11:47 PM (#2475 - in reply to #2125)
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Hi everybody:
"one is when the healer is not too sure what they are doing"

I think this comment says it all!

Peace Profound,
Marty
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Laura Phillips
Posted 8/5/2007 5:41 PM (#2483 - in reply to #2125)
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This might be a little long, I apologize, but it might really shed some light on spirituality and money, and is a way that Christine Breese and UMS approaches the subject... (Thess are words I've pulled from Christine's articles and talks on the subject, because this is an issue I have talked with her a lot about since it interests me, I didn't put quotes around all the spots, but a lot of these words are hers.)

I have heard Christine Breese, the founder of UMS, say that even though Metaphysicians get their degrees and credentials, there is no required "residency program" period, apprenticeship or internship that people such as psychologists and medical doctors go through. For instance, when a students finishes studies after 7-8 years at a medical University, they then are requried to work basically for free (or at least at minimum wage) in a clinical setting in order to hone their skills and complete their apprenticeship in a live format. This is something that is required, although UMS doesn't require it becuase logistically it could not be set up since metaphysics is such a new and emerging field, there are no "metaphysical hospitals" in this era, although there may be some in the future. So Christine has said that students should expect to have life provide their apprenticeship for them, since life is the teacher, the guru, really. She says that really life is where you get your metaphysical degree, not UMS, so to speak. Christine worked many many years without expecting or wanting pay because she considered it her apprenticeship, her residency program, self imposed of course.

Spiritual Apprentiship or Residency Program

So the founder of UMS says to offer your help, counseling and assistance wherever the universe calls on you to do it, whether pay is involved or not. It doesn't matter whether you get paid or not. You are still getting piad in your "aspiritual bank account" and that is the one that matters and that's the only one you get to take with you when you leave this lifetime.

Practice makes perfect. As your skills grow and you become better at what you do, your lightworkings become more efficient, and then the universe finds ways for you to do it in a more "full time" way because a skilled metaphysician is quite useful on the planet. The powers that be will find ways for you to make a living at it once you are really good at it and have a lot of practice under your belt. Don't expect to get rich on spiritual work though. It happens for some, like the Deepak Chopras and other famous spiritual workers, but that will be a rarity. To expect to get rich means that you aren't in spiritual work for the right reason in the first place.

I Disagree

I disagree with the part about "if the practicioner doesn't believe in what he or she is doing, has trouble charging money" part. I don't remember the quote exactly, but that was the jist of it.

Jesus put out a lot of serious healing sessions and talks, and yet he never got paid much, couldn't even make a living, really. For the most part, quoteing Christine Breese, "he was just couch surfing and camping and food was given to him. He was a classic wandering teacher who could care less about money and if you didn't have money to pay him, he never withheld his services. He gave freely wherever he was placed to give the love."

I don't believe that not making much money at your spiritual services really is a measurment of how much you believe in the potency of the work you do. I think that in some cases it might, but across the board, it doesn't. If you'd like to see an article on UMS's policies about money and Christine's views, visit http://www.umsonline.org/Donations/FullArticleMoneyMetaphysicsMetap...

In A Nutshell

Well, I just wanted to give some perspective on healing and money, I really like the way UMS approaches the idea. Yes, we all need money to live on, we all would like to do spiritual work for a living, and even if it is a humble living most of us would be happy with that alone. However, until that manifests, Christine says to help everyone who comes through your life if you are presented with the opportunity because your spiritual bank account is what really matters, and even iof your worldly bank account doesn't let you live on it full time doing spiritual work, know that what you are doing really matters in the grand scheme of things and you will be able to give a full account of your life with a good conscience and a big spiritual bank account full of good karma!




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mruppert
Posted 8/6/2007 10:42 PM (#2485 - in reply to #2125)
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Hi all:
     Again, the historian in me speaks....
     There were times and ages when money (as we conceive of it) did not exist, at least not for the common man. There was barter and trade, just as there was enforced labor for nothing in return. And, there was most certainly the more powerful taking  from the less powerful without fair exchange.
     When money (as we know it) exercised its dominion over us, we did not reject it...but instead embraced and encouraged. In the country that I live in (USA) there were, at one time, men so powerful by virtue of money, that the compact that we formed to create this very country, i.e. the Federal Government, would "borrow" money from these men; as they had more of it than the entire government had. Several men  "paid" for a war out of their own pockets.
     Orson Wells, in his portrayal of "Citizen Kane" was not just making a commentary on William Randolph Hearst, but also on at least three other very rich men. Hint...the opera scene involves both Carnegie and Mellon.
     I would very much like to put together a course on the influence of "money" on us;  as moral, spiritual, and ethical beings. I think a lot can be learned.
     I have concluded that when I leave this mortal vessel, the money that I have, no matter how great or small, will mean absolutely nothing to me. It may well mean something for those that live beyond me, depending on what I have done with it.
     Do we think the Pharoahs of Ancient Egypt (the god-men/women) stupid? They saw what happened to Pharoahs before them.The lived when it did happen. Maybe it was their way of spreading wealth, but making the wealth gained have meaning.
     "We came to the pyramids all embedded in ice.
       He said 'there's a body I'm trying to find'.
       'If we carry it out it'll bring a good price'.
       It was then that I knew what he had on his mind"
                                                           -The Ballad of Isis

Peace n' Love,
Marty
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Danjummai
Posted 8/7/2007 9:13 AM (#2491 - in reply to #2125)
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Hi Elizabeth,
 
I am sorry if I forgot to mention 'healers-austerity' in my first input this because I said about humility which our fasting and meditation in isolation or seclusion is meant to create. This period of austerity is meant for formatting one's mind and installing on our systems the brand new virus-less or incorruptible Divine Program. I just feel that the system having undergone this meticulous process of Proper Upgrading (Karma settling) is supposed to operate not in the past infested state of being, but in the present holiness, ridden off all weaknesses. May be Jesus and the rest of them models of humanity were able to subsist poverty and the challenges of their times due to that process of 'proper upgrading'. One thing that we are all sure of is that they had CONTENTION which is the greatst riches that the heavens and earth can give.This not to say that some of them, the likes of King Solomon, did not live like Kings in their austerity. On the other hand, I want to think that there is indeed a Metaphysical Hospital in 'Austerity' and it was shown us that we may reign supreme in the numerous challenges of our unfortunate era in which money is almost everything. I am not sure what I have said. I not sure about anything.
 
Blessings!
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Elizabeth Ann
Posted 8/7/2007 2:11 PM (#2493 - in reply to #2491)
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Hi Danjummai

You may not be sure what you have said but I do sense that you are passing on messages direct to me and for that I thank you.

Your messages are helping me, I understand parts and the rest is for me to ponder over.

Bless you
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Danjummai
Posted 8/9/2007 5:19 PM (#2505 - in reply to #2125)
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Hi Elizabeth,

There was a little mix-up in my earlier post. I was trying to convey about CONTENTMENT and I doodled CONTENTION, 'Writers' Devil' and perhaps the way the mind jugles to convey what it could of our thoughts.

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Elizabeth Ann
Posted 8/9/2007 5:47 PM (#2506 - in reply to #2491)
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Hi Danjummai

Funnily emough the word contentment does not have a positive meaning to me, I see it as being stuck in a rut with no incentive to move onwards and upwards. So perhaps contention was the right word for me in this context?

Bright Blessings

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Posted 8/12/2007 11:51 AM (#2511 - in reply to #2125)
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Dear Friends – to settle the dispute, may I quote from the Oxford Dictionary?

Contentment: satisfied state; tranquil happiness.

Contention: strife, dispute, rivalry
Contentious: quarrelsome, involving contention.

Surely, Elizabeth, you cannot mean that?

Bright blessings – Aquarius

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Elizabeth Ann
Posted 8/12/2007 3:00 PM (#2512 - in reply to #2511)
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I was not aware that there was any dispute!

When I am working with people based on cognitive behaviour psychology, I am challenging people so they think about what and how they believe for themselves. If they had achieved contentment they would not require my input. If I was in a satisfied state of tranquil happiness I would have no need to continually search for MY answers and in finding them be able to understand where others are coming from. Not to judge them you understand but to work out how their mind works so I can find ways of helping that they will be able to relate to.

So strife, dispute and rivalry are a very big part of what I am trying to help others to overcome. I am no saint myself so I really do understand these feelings and the labels attached to them. It has always been difficult to explain how I work and feel because WORDS are just LABELS to me, my mind seems to work in a very strange way but it gives me plenty to think about on my personal search and my work.

Often I do not even try to explain because of the lack of suitable words and each persons own interpretations of them. As a child and teenager and indeed in recent years I found myself putting together my own words which no dictionary will contain much less apply a meaning to.

What I was conveying is that Danjummai’s words have a deep meaning for me, but maybe for no one else. I feel that he is channelling messages to me from a very high level, my mind then gives me meaning for me to continue with my journey.

Bless you all.
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