SN2006gy
mruppert
Posted 5/16/2007 8:32 PM (#1847)
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Hi all:
I was thinking about the "end times" discussion and the end of this star came to mind. This particular star, maybe somebodys Sun, died in a peculiar fashion. I wonder why it did not follow a pattern we have observed as long as we were able to observe?
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NothingEverything
Posted 6/5/2007 8:19 AM (#1974 - in reply to #1847)
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My thoughts on that are that we have only been observing space for such a short amount of time, i see it more as a discovery than as an anomaly.
we look at space with an infants eye, i believe this would still be true even if we were a very ancient race, for the universe is most ancient and ever changing.
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Supernatural3
Posted 6/5/2007 2:55 PM (#1981 - in reply to #1847)
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not everything is a pattern.... which is how chaos was discovered. However, maybe there is a reason. We simply don't know for sure!
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mruppert
Posted 6/6/2007 10:42 PM (#1994 - in reply to #1847)
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YES!!!!....it was a sneaky way to ask, but the responses have been what I thought; and what I believe.
As NTET said, we haven't observed enough or long enough to know anything. An "infants" eye!
But, Doc J.....let's debate for a moment...chaos IS a pattern...the law of entropy. But, what happens in the chaoctic state? Things organize.....since chaos is not a "natural" state.
Isn't this what the famous circle with the dark and white curly figures really represents....the Yin and Yang?
I dunno, help me out here!
Historically, we have, since the 1500's, seen novas and supernovas, but not with the precision that we can see now. Perhaps technology has given us a new view compared to the old. And so, to rationalize it away, I think that is the case. BUT, we have also generally observed the artifacts of a nova and supernova state.......SN2006gy simply disappeared, leaving only celestial dust. Still, to me, pretty mysterious!
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Marty
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Supernatural3
Posted 6/6/2007 11:55 PM (#1995 - in reply to #1847)
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I still believe in Random things. Like deaths.... we don't all cross as predicted or in a pattern. it's random. Like a bingo game. Chaos does exist, but i can agree, will eventually find it's path once again. Disorder and order..... another balance, to have one, we must have the other.
Good thoughts going here.... makes my brain cycle. LOL
HUGS
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NothingEverything
Posted 6/7/2007 5:02 AM (#1996 - in reply to #1847)
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My view of creation and destruction, order and chaos, is that they are not seperate from each other, instead, that they are compliments of each other that can not exist with out the other, making them one thing. in my own mind this disolves the concepts of either and creates instead, a "Universal Law".
patterns are a similarity we observe over time, we consider chaos to be a break in that.
but we are "exploring" the ocean with a flashlight from the shore.
we see days and days of waves, then suddenly, a freak wave!
we observe it as chaos because it broke the pattern of our discoveries.
but throughout time endless "freak" waves have hit the shore unobserved.
it is really chaos then? or just a pattern played out over a longer time.
to us its a first! but to the that shore, its just another breath.
in conclusion, i dont have the belief of order and chaos as
a serperate "battle of forces" instead, as one thing fullfilling "Universal Law".
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mruppert
Posted 6/10/2007 12:49 AM (#1998 - in reply to #1847)
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Thanks for the HUG Doc! I needed one!
NothingEverything (NTET) has gotten to the heart of the matter. Is the research most avant-garde Physicists are doing now, e.g., TOE (The Theory of Everything) just an attempt to "save" old physics from disrepute? Are there, as NTET puts it "Universal Laws"? If so, can we state them, and then use them to make a new world? BUT, haven't others, before us, asked (and maybe answered) this very same question?
The sheer amount of lost research throughout history is astounding, starting with the destruction of the Library at Alexandria and continuing up to this very moment.
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Marty
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