Do you have any astrological insights and knowledge that you would like to pass on? Are there important astrological events that you know about that might help everyone today? Do you have questions about astrology that you would like answers on?
Posted 10/24/2005 3:34 AM (#51 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Does anyone know if any important astrological transitions are coming up that might be problematic for selling a house? I'm getting ready to sell my house and put on the market, and just wondering if there are any astrological influences I should be aware of? I don't know much about astrology, but could use some advice!
Posted 7/3/2006 4:53 PM (#647 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: Winston, OR, USA
I don't have anything in specific to contriblute at this time, exept to let folks know that I do have a Diploma in Astrology and Parapsychology, as well as planning on studying more in the fields, so if anyone needs specifics, I would be glad to help. besides I need the practice honing my skills
Posted 7/4/2006 1:54 AM (#655 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
You may wish to advertise or take prospective buyers to the house on the following days and periods:
Posted 9/15/2006 11:10 PM (#895 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
There is a wonderful, trenchant page on about astrology given by Beloved Saint Germain in Volume 3 "I AM" Discourses published by Saint Germain Press. The basic idea is that astrology is much different than it was in ancient India or as the Masters used it -- whereby it was Empowering and Accurate. Today, it is often used as a tool which one looks outside their own God Self for an Answer or uses it to bind another to a condition that is only an appearance. The Planets & Stars, while influencing us, are Truly influenced by a Master. To become Such, One realizes the entire Cosmos, Solar System and Milky Way is Within. We are the Cosmos in miniature. We are Gods and Goddesses in embryo. Becoming an Adult God or Goddess, we truly Realize that We may govern these planetary systems within and We may, via free will, Achieve, Attain and Complete Our Mission -- whatever It Is We So Decree!
Posted 10/12/2006 12:04 PM (#1011 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: United Kingdom
When you asked for astrological insights, Laura, for me, there is no more beautiful and simple way of explaining God’s nature and our own than with the help of astrology. To get started, the masculine represents the power aspect of God, which expresses itself through Fire and Air. The feminine is the devotional, sensitive, feeling aspect of the Goddess. Through the elements Earth and Water, she yields to and shapes herself in response to the creative ideas and impulses of Fire, which are being communicated to her through the mental element of Air. Our world is in the process of learning that even God can only in harmonious and peaceful co-operation with the Goddess, bring anything into being; the same is true in our world as it is in all worlds. If we wish to create the new and peaceful world we so badly need and desire, each has to make their own contribution. Both men and women have to learn to live and work together, striving to find harmony within and without. Each needs to give of their best, whatever that may be and in whatever capacity we may find ourselves, in accordance to that which has been given unto us. Our Highest Self is constantly trying to communicate with us. It does so through intuitions, hunches and gut feelings that come to us through the world of our feelings. It is our task to learn to listen to what it is trying to tell us. When we have learnt to follow its directions, it can and does unerringly guide us towards the people and experiences that are right for us, at any given moment. Will that do for starters?
Posted 10/14/2006 11:38 AM (#1028 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: United Kingdom
There is no doubt in my mind that the Age of Aquarius is now with us. Aquarius rules topics like astrology, technology, especially as related to computes. This means that we are presently on our way back home into our true nature. And to help humankind on its way, ever more knowledge from the Highest levels of life is relentlessly being poured into the collective and individual consciousness of our world. The water-bearer is the symbol of Aquarius, the sign of revolution. And to this day, there is a great deal of confusion about this sign; because of its name, many believe it to be a water sign. However, it is not water of the liquid kind that the water bearer pours into the consciousness of humankind, but the cleansing waters of spiritual knowledge and wisdom. This is what White Eagle had to say in one of his teachings, in which he indicated where the Master of the New Age will lead us in our search for spiritual truth, namely inwards; only there shall we find what we are looking for: ‘The Master Jesus made reference to the Aquarian Age before the celebration of the Last Supper, when he bade two of his disciples to follow the man bearing a water-pot on his shoulder. The man carrying the water-pot is the symbol of the astrological sign Aquarius. His water is a symbol of the living waters of the Spirit [spiritual knowledge, which the bearer pours into the minds of humankind, to cleanse its spirit from false beliefs and illusions]. The disciples did as they were told and were led by this man [the water-bearer] to an inn. This may be understood as a place of sanctuary for travellers. The man of the New Age, the man of the Spirit [our inner guide and Master], will lead you to the inn, the sanctuary [everybody’s own inner sacred space].’ Angelus – December 1941
Posted 1/19/2007 1:43 PM (#1400 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: Winston, OR, USA
Well I'm A Cancer-Leo Cusp, (Cancer being Water, Leo Being fire) With an Aquarius Accendent, and Scorpio Moon...Regerding the Chinese System, I am A Monkey, With the Element of Metal, and born in the Hour of Boar. In the Egyptian system Im Born under the rulership of the goddess Bast.
no wonder it takes me a while to ground!
Posted 4/20/2007 2:42 PM (#1729 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
An interesting link to earth energies is whatsuponplanetearth.com. I get energy alerts from her that seem to be right on. Not necessarily astrology, but earth energy/planetary and star alignment related.
I'm struggling with her explanation of the Virginia Tech tradgedy though.
Posted 4/20/2007 11:45 PM (#1732 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
What was the explanation of the Vtech tragedy that you mentioned?
All I can think of now is that we, at the University of Maryland, having booed, insulted, and made fun of the "Hokies" since we are competitors against them in the Atlantic Coast Conference, have gathered together to send our most heartfelt sympathy and condolences, coupled with prayers and chants and all means of support for them.
I think, somehow, that knowing those that boo you and wish your defeat on the atheltic field, now wish you to heal and be well will somehow aid in the healing process.
P.S. In my view, the ultimate answer is that the guy was very deeply disturbed and had turned within himself, instead of embracing an outward vision. Fueled with rage, he acted out a fantasy; which was all too real. There was nothing anyone could have done.......EXCEPT......his parents!!!!!! Where do they fit into this picture????? Do you not notice that no one seems to be talking about them other than to say that they work at a dry cleaners? Not only did their son kill 32 people, but that is their son that died.....by his own hand!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please excuse me, I am emotionally close to this situation, as I have friends at VPI.
Posted 4/21/2007 12:09 PM (#1734 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: United Kingdom
'I'm struggling with her explanation of the Virginia Tech tragedy though.'
Dear Friend - try not to look to the stars for explanations for all these things. Nothing happens perchance - everything is of a Karmic nature - and all rests safely in the hands of God, the Universe, if you prefer. For myself, I find it's the only way to live this life. We and our world are all learning specific lessons - and the most important one to me is learning to trust again, no matter what befalls our world on the outer level of life.
Posted 10/16/2007 8:47 PM (#2713 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
I have been looking into celestial interests of late and have come across an item of interest, the astrolabe. A web-search for an astrolabe will result in ancient astrolabes and modern reproductions. These are useful in the study of astronomy and astrology. (I'm putting one on my wish list.) With one you can locate stars calculate oppositions and the like, look at the location of stars on a given day, and find the time day or night. The astrolabe gives one a hands on understanding of celestial mechanics, and I imagine a very good one.
Another item of interest I found is a copious quantities of free-ware stellar viewers. beautiful, if not as hands-on as the aforementioned.
Posted 10/19/2007 11:35 PM (#2720 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Hi all and to you Cause! Isn't the astrolabe a precursor to the sextant? I ask because I am curious as to how the Phoenicians were such successful navigators. How did the Polynesians got home after sailing virtually uncontrolled? And, lest we forget, how did Cristoforo Colombo (hey, come on, the guy was Italian...the Spanish changed his name to something else, as we did the same many years later) get home, or at least back to Spain? It seems to me that, based on my study of this subject, many people in the past were far more aware of astrology than in more modern times, as a practical matter. There were many applications to knowing the "stars" and the constellations, that bear names that we use today.
Posted 10/20/2007 12:15 AM (#2721 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
The sextant was actually a much simpler device that grew from the same technology, undoubtedly due to the prohibition against studying the stars. Everything you can accomplish with a sextant you can reproduce with an astrolabe. The astrolabe is also capable of at least six other functions. I mentioned some of them in my earlier post. You can find your location on the planet and find what the stars look like in any given location. I've found several makers and you can pay from $120 to $3500 for a reproduction, and I'm sure you very much get what you pay for, much like jewelry. Original astrolabes (16th century and the like) are often very much not for sale or exorbedently expensive. A fully functional quality astrolabe is an instrument and a work of art.
From the prospective of someone who wants to find astrological events they are quite valuable as well. Imagine finding a natal chart in a fraction of the time and looking at an ephemeris half as much. Not to mention specifics of location of stars in the location in question. We should say expensive but not necessarily a toy.
The most beneficial function is the ability to have stellar mechanic in your hand. A tempting new distraction and expense.
Posted 10/21/2007 3:19 AM (#2726 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Hi Lyonna Lioness, "when there is a good aspect in our horoscope, life goes smooth
when there is a bad aspect in our horoscope, life is a struggle"
I read from a very old text that "the stars impel, they do not compel" and so I think that your statement is a bit fatalistic. And, you have given me an idea that I will try on this website. So....bye as I am gong to start a new thread.....hopefully there will be more than a few who can participate, if so, we can draw some "scientific" conclusions.
Posted 10/27/2007 2:50 PM (#2776 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
I will start this post with the declaration that I know little of astrology as a study. When I think of stars I normally think of Carl Sagan and Stephen Hawking and 'black holes', or Mr. Spock and 'time space anomalies'. But. with my renewed interest in stars and my interest in metaphysics I find myself faced with the notion that stars and planets effect the people on this planet. I have known for years that according to police records people are more mischievous on the full moon than at other times and yet I did not look into astrology. I still am trepidatious of lending credence to all of what is out there in the realm of astrology, this is coupled almost paradoxically with the knowledge that we are entering the age of aquarius and the world appears to be changing in impressive ways.
I am writing this partially to receive a simple understanding of traditional astrology from the perspective of someone who has some experience with the practice. If you are out there and wish to share please do. My second reason is that I am looking for, and I am convinced that I may find, modern scientific studies of behavior patterns with particular correspondence with the stars and will be searching the internet for such after this post. The third question I am asking is what force from the sky effects us and our behavior, or what is the action of the stars and planets that changes the state of affairs on this planet.
Anyone out there with experience willing to take on a newbie?
Posted 10/28/2007 10:59 PM (#2780 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Hi Cause, et al; My interest in this comes from looking at ancient bibles, that used astrological charts to "timeline" certain events and passages. I spent hours at the Walters Gallery of Art, in Baltimore, MD examining "illuminated bibles" of the Byzantine and Coptic faiths, christian/catholic; at least by the standards of the time. I also went in with the bias of a historian, in that I believe that people did not write down things which were insignificant, as writing was not a luxury, but a PRIVILEGE, and most expensive in the terms of the time, to do. Therefore, people only wrote what was significant to them. And, it seems, that astrological star charts WERE, as much or moreso than the word of God, i.e. "the Bible". Should one pay attention to daily horoscopes in newspapers and online? Sure, as it is a lot of fun...but, to me, that is all that it is. Should one pay attention to a qualified astrologer, who can read a chart? Well, I am still questioning that. But, my propensity of belief says that there is some validity to it. Hence, my post to Virgos, as it is a most controlling sign....if what is thought about astrology, is indeed true, then we WILL share the common characteristics of the sign, no matter how separated we are in age, gender, geography, ethnic background, education, political orientation, social/economic scale. We will find that we are one! We have one poster of a definitive identity and sign, hand-in-hand, yet there is no true identity...as it is much like the running water, still water, and seeping water. Water which succumbs to the law of gravity, yet can spring forth with the application of pressure and temperature. I cannot say more about Virgos, as I do not want to bias responders to another post...though, I fear that I may all ready have done so. But, now that I read back, not too much as what I wrote is not what I was going to ask.
Posted 11/3/2007 2:52 AM (#2824 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Hy Ly: "according to c.c. zain a person who live with nature will have less education than a person brought up in a city environment they may both have the same birth chart but because of the society they live in, they will have different oppurtunities and different ways of self expression"
Lyo...it isn't necessarily so! We have people who are raised in a "city" environment who are as ignorant, dumb and stupid as dirt, and that is insulting to dirt, which might well be very smart. And, dirt must be smart, as a packet of seeds will not grow into plants, unless and until you stick'um down in the dirt. Now, Lienn, as far as Cee Cee goes, that is an observation-non observation. Of course, in the way that Zain puts it, there will be notable differences, but that can be said of anyone, anywhere. The charting of stars and planets is astronomy, not astrology. Anyone can do this for anyone and anything. You can plot a birth chart for the shed you put up in your backyard, if you care to do so. Will the shed care? Will you care? My point is that those born under signs do, indeed, exhibit commonalities, a great many of which are mutable.However, those born under Spica, are unilaterally consistent in subtle things, regardless of the wheres and whens; and qualities of upbringing and environment.
Posted 11/3/2007 11:07 AM (#2829 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: NE Ohio
I think we can have a plan... since we are god, why wouldn't we create a plan for ourselves? I think my astrology fits me extremely well. Sometimes it's so accurate, it's pretty scary how it could be so true. Since no two charts are alike, it's not possible to all of a sudden call it being prejudice. I cannot pinpoint how that could happen. It's also used as guidance, for the best road specifically built for each individual. I know astrology pretty well, but i chose not to specialize in it. But i did specialize in handwriting analysis. I can tell someone's problems / personality and disorders by their handwriting alone. That doesn't make me prejudice, it makes me scientific. Astrology is very much based on science and calculations, then you add the metaphysics with personality traits that tend to be somehow correct, yet generalized enough not to over do it. This is done so each individual CAN choose their own road, but will most likely want the road of least resistance. I just love it when science and spirituality come together. Astrology is just one example.
Posted 11/3/2007 8:18 PM (#2831 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Hi... I am new here and old here and glad to be here,
Astrology is a LANGUAGE that is used to further understand self, events and life patterns. As such, looking at this language as a helping tool that can promote spiritual growth, astrology can be quite useful. It is NOT some kind of unwavering oracle and is NOT some judgemental, categorizing language art. Rather, it is through the serious and relaxed study of this art that one may begin to understand oneself in light of the differences and similarities amongst beings on earth who are sharing this dynamic experience.
As an example, no two sun sign Virgos are the same. Yes, there may be similarities; but, there are so many varying factors like the ascendant position and degree, and the moon sign and all of the other planets in the chart that relate to one another in a specifically individual way. Further, there is to consider the individual evolutionary path and the societal factors that do play a part in how the astrological factors in a being's chart express themselves.
Boy, there is so much information... too much for a singular post... yet, this language called astrology is only a tool for all of us to study and talk about in order to better understand our existences here and why we are as we are. Accordingly, this is to acknowledge that, if there were no astrology, we would still be here living our lives as the beings we are. You are you whether astrology exists here or not.
With that in mind and the realization that all beings are different, why not have some fun talking about life and self while applying the principles of astrology in order to gain perspective? Thus, we can rejoice in our differences and similarities while perhaps gaining some knowledge that might help us in the understanding of self and the other as we interact in the play within the play of the Creator.
Posted 11/5/2007 11:58 PM (#2835 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Hi all: It is times like this that I wish we could "talk" rather than write. But, since writing is the means we have..I will try to say this as best as I can... I do not deny individualism nor free will, from any viewpoint. But, it seems that the consensus of opinion is that signs are file drawers, and that one simply needs to "chart" and put it in a folder and file it in the proper drawer. Hence, astrology! If each folder is so highly individualistic, then you can file them anywhere as long as you create an order in how it is done. I may well be wrong, but I think that it is a bit different. I think that those folders that go into the AQ or the AR or GE or VI, or the CA drawers, upon examination, will show that they are in these drawers because of certain commonalities, no matter how subtle they might be. I think one person said "proclivities" and yes, that is a good term. If there were no connectedness, then we would not have astrology as we know it today, and as it was studied in ancient times. There would be only a statistical list of those that were born on given days, at given times, in given places, and a recounting of where the moon was, and some planets and the sun, and some stars. There would be no "science" to it. But, when you analyze those in the file drawer VI and relate them to one another, and conclude that they "tend" to be analytical, as a common trait, then you have a 'science" and you may well call it astrology, or anything else you want to name it. Of course you can say that a bunch of people from other drawers are analytical, and that a gazillion people across our globe are analytical, but that is really not the point. It is the commonality and relationship of those that are within that one, distinct drawer, and the consistency of such that gives the validity to a science such as astrology. Otherwise, it is just astronomy, a science of positioning oneself by reference to the sky.
Posted 11/6/2007 1:52 PM (#2837 - in reply to #2835) Subject: RE: Astrology
1. Science, as we know it during these times, is silly (see the worthlessness of scientific language and the idiocy in the pharmaceutical realm).
2. Astrology and medicine and psychology are arts and not sciences.
3. Of course there are similarities and it does seem like you might need to talk because I do get that you are searching for sensicality and that there is agreement here muddled by this inefficient dynamic we call "communication" on this earth. It seems that we are not connecting due to the framework of thinking rather than taking strikingly different positions.
Now, to dialogue about science would be a worthy exchange, but astrology as we understand it today is no more a science than tarot cards. In fact, labeling it a science is to suggest that it is as silly as science. Astrology is a tool to help people. Science is a bought and paid for copout as it masquerades, for billions of dollars, as something meaningful. That said, there is no science on the other side as every being knows these things that science studies innately and this relegates science to an attachment that is buried upon death with the body.
Wow... now there is a diatribe! Sorry... but I see the creator as all about art and nothing about science other than science as an art (which very much includes intuitive thinking rather than tedious testing and analysis by those who can afford to become scientists/doctors because they are born wealthy and have an attachment to MONEY.... a disgraceful attachment for those who take an oath to heal).
for expanded thinking that questions everything about science and history (a great lie)... we need to progress past the limitations of Saturn and move into the higher thinking/being as promoted by the trans-saturnian planets
Posted 11/6/2007 2:25 PM (#2838 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: NE Ohio
I have to differ on opinion here. Astrology is indeed based on some mathematical equations, which is indeed science (physics). Math is what science is based on.... All of physics is based on math. When it cannot be calculated, is why it is then called Meta-physics -Which is where spirit and science come together. Metaphysics is the blend of both science and spirit and some of these modalities are astrology, runes, tarot, etc. Almost every form of divination has some sort of mathematical aspect to it. It's our universal language.
Who are we to say science is not a part of any of this? It certainly is..... It's just that some scientists refuse to believe in something they cannot calculate 100% and some spiritualist refuse to give science any credit, for being limited. Yet, if it were not for science, we would not be able to communicate this way at all, nor have the things we have like heat, stoves, phones, computers, etc.
I vote for a blend of both to achieve greater happiness. (at least while in Human form)
Posted 11/6/2007 4:27 PM (#2839 - in reply to #2838) Subject: RE: Astrology
Well said. Thanks for trying to bring it together. I am one who always pushes the envelope in order to promote dynamic communication and thought. As such, I enjoy dancing atop notions that are often taken for granted in this society of material attachment and material creation.
With math and physics in mind, as languages for understanding, I think Einstein had the right idea. The universe can be understood with those languages. Now why science is unable to apply itself to such potential understandings rather than some new technological weapon for killing or some poison medicine or a missing black hole or some new terminology only a scientist cares about is something to consider.
Who are we and what are we doing here on this planet? Astrology can address these issues that are considered to be metaphysical because they are beyond science (only because there is no money in studying truth in being).
That said, I believe that astrology is not understood at all by the majority of people. Study and communication is all that is needed to understand the metaphysical arts and yet people here would rather study the stock market than why they are here and what this 3D living on this singular planet is about.
By the way, do the "qualifications" you state about yourself entitle you to more consideration than another? No need. Your point is well-taken whomever you are.
Posted 11/6/2007 4:49 PM (#2841 - in reply to #2839) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: NE Ohio
freethought - 2007-11-06 4:27 PM
By the way, do the "qualifications" you state about yourself entitle you to more consideration than another?
Naw, my opinion is only that... another opinion. I am however very proud of all the learning i have done. I hit the science world with physics the same time i was heavily into the paranormal and metaphysics. I had a professor who thought everything i had to say was hogwash. I just giggled, because i felt sorry for him being so closed minded to what only science could prove. How limited.
Anyone else is also entitled to learn as much as they can too. It does not make me superior, it makes me more compassionate and able to see all sides as much as i can. All my education has also taught me how to relate with others and allow them to be who they are. I love so much in this world, yet i long to be done. I still haven't gotten to where i want to be yet... but working on it.
I happen to agree with a lot of things you say.... but by all means, while we are all on this planet, we all have to deal with the same things. There is an aweful lot of pain and suffering going on and wrong things. My goal is to not be part of that suffering and help others separate from pain too. That is why i chose psychology / hypnotherapy and metaphysics.
I am STILL in school for psychotherapy. This time i want to be licensed by the State of Ohio so i can collect insurance for people to come for my help, some people cannot afford this type of needed service. It's a shame that the states do not allow for metaphysians to practice psychology. It's not an exact science either, now that i totally agree on. I am only continuing so i can follow the state regulations. I should be completely done with school by 2010. I will be 44 yrs old.
I am also a LEO.... with this being a topic in Astrology, we all know that LEO's tend to be very large in EGO. LOL I harness my ego side, i am actually proud of it. I am a true Leo with my moon sign also in FIRE.... double fire. YIKES.... what is weird is... my personality fits astrology very much so. It's amazing how so. I am a firm believer in metaphysics, but while on earth, i have to go with supporting physics too. I look ohhhh so forward to being bodiless again.
I must say, i am a total leader, but after i start it, i do expect others to be able to finish it. I am the one who pushes and starts the fire... but want help in gathering that wood to keep it going. Make sense?
I love all the contributions here....
Posted 11/6/2007 7:16 PM (#2843 - in reply to #2841) Subject: RE: Astrology
Cool thread! Sending a blessing to you...
I was thinking, while walking through the woods, that a good signature for astrology might be to denotate planetary positions in the birth chart. In this way, one could discuss astrological configurations in order to further knowledge. For example, one of these threads talked about the sign Virgo in a way that I would speak of it. Virgo and money? I don't know about that one. I have Taurus and the love of possessions (including mate), Capricorn and money/career/success and Virgo as a pragmatic where money is concerned. Of course, there are many other characteristics. The earth signs definitely have a feeling for planting and growing things. They tend to be more practical. Only Virgo is really talkative and has many self-doubts and can be critical of others. Capricorn can be secretive and narcissistic. Taurus can become enraged after much pushing. But, Taurus is a great host for their friends, loves music and can be very loyal. Capricorn is patient and the help they give is well-thought-out and of considerable value. And Virgo is a fun communicator and a singular companion. Just some of the things.
Relatedly, if there are other signs dominant in the chart (say Sagittarius for the Capricorn), then the Sun sign may be de-emphasized.
For astrologers, the above is simplistic. Yet, for most persons, it seems as complicated as learning to speak a foreign language. They do not understand it at all and it may be the astrologer's chore, as such, to teach the language of the art while addressing the life issues.
good wishes to all and to this mother earth deserving of our care
Posted 11/8/2007 10:52 PM (#2852 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Hi all: After reading, it seems that some of us are tending to pick the worst of each thing and hold it up as evidence that the entire body of knowledge is bad. This can be done with anything, for example, "Astrology can address these issues that are considered to be metaphysical because they are beyond science (only because there is no money in studying truth in being)." Anyone who believes that "scientists" as a whole are making tons of money are badly misinformed. We just had a group of NASA scientists at the I&CC and after talking to a few in some evening reveries, I found out that they make way less than I do, and I don't get paid much as I am a state employee at a state university. As a whole, scientists depend on institutions of learning, grants, and foundations for their livelihood...the money is not great and it is not steady. Sure there are those who do well by virtue of patents and licensing, and there are those who are well paid "frontmen/women" for large corporations....but that is not the majority! It is a small minority. On the other hand, there are astrologers who make tons of money for absolutely nothing....put a site on the Internet, a few testimonials; and the money rolls in for "personal" horoscopes that are generated by a computer program....that say the same words for different people, born different times and different places! This is not a lie.....we (my friends and I) have done this as a test and can show you that it is true......try it yourself, if you're willing to spend anywhere between 39 USD up to 99 USD for a "basic" reading....and also are willing to get constant emails for even more insightful information for a few dollars more. But, you will have to invest even more money to alter some basic information just to see if the reading changes....and it doesn't in essence. Some words are different, but most are not. Those so called astrologers that do this, and those so called scientists that write learned papers in order to validate the need for a drug to alleviate "restless leg syndrome" are one and the same. What they are is up to you to judge. But, you cannot condemn what they represent as a body of knowledge as invalid by their actions. On another point, Doc J responded that she is a LEO and therefore has an "ego". That is true, and her sign tends towards heavy emphasis on the "ego"....but, as I have said in other posts, ego is not BAD...it is one's sense of self worth. However, I do not see that the letters that she puts after her name as a "boasting" or a self "aggrandizement". I see it as an honest representation of accomplishment and proficiency in things she has studied. In other words, we can check this out....we can see that her achievements are real, and not some fake letters, as quite a few put after their names, and turn out to be frauds, as we particularly see in the field of "pop" psychology, inspirational guidance and, yes, my friends, metaphysics! Oh, yes, we see it in science, also. Having ridden the crest of this wave, I 'm going down, and will finish by saying that I still do not see the inconsistencies between science,metaphysics, and religion. "Our" science came from the metaphysics of times gone by, the scientists of the past drank the mothers milk of metaphysics, and birthed and rebirthed the spirit and spirituality of inquiry into the unknown. Most likely, you all have cellphones, or mobiles, if you are in a country that calls them that. I can explain to you exactly how they work, as I work in telecommunications, but how do they REALLY work? Your voice travels through the air long distances...just as was thought was possible a very long time ago. Some of you may even be at a computer or laptop that is communicating wirelessly. But, didn't those that kneeled on terra-firma a long time ago, and uttered a prayer for a god or gods to hear; and anticipated a reply......didn't they have the first "wireless " network?
Peace to you all, and great joy that we have come together, Marty and Luckylee, Poppyhead and SissyGirl (cool cats, as it is a chilly night)
Posted 11/11/2007 2:46 PM (#2872 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: United Kingdom
That principle applies to any interpretation of anything – be it astrology or any other subject. We can only ever view our world or parts of it and speak or write about it through our own eyes, inner and outer, and our own perception of life. With love – Aquarius
Posted 11/11/2007 11:07 PM (#2877 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: NE Ohio
Selfish is sometimes needed, because in order to help others, we have to help ourselves. It's the extremes that kills it for us all. That basically fits with anything and everything. Moderation and balance are the keys. It's ok to have some ego and greed, but when it's overdone at the expense of another is when it's now poison. Astrology can hit on ones tendency to over do it in certain area's and at certain times, so we can become aware of these tendancies during our calculated weak times. Even if it's all in the head, it somehow works and gives us something to work with. I love astrology. Perhaps when i am all done with school, i will delve deeper into it more than the basics. I personally always got confused on all the houses, or I just got bored with it. It seemed none of my clients understood a single thing i was saying when i tried to explain why i was saying what i was.... so i just kept to the simple things and then i started other things.
I have been told lately that i have been giving and giving and never letting myself get. Shame on me... the circle has to be complete to flow. Which is true also in physics and electrical engineering. An open in any circuit, will stop anything electric from movement, thus stopping the current of electric. This is the same with energy..... Close the hole and we have current. Whalaaaa
Posted 11/12/2007 8:56 AM (#2879 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: United Kingdom
You are making some interesting comments! If you would like to investigate the matter a bit further, however, without having to get too deeply into all the technicalities, I recommend that you visit a website where you will find an item called ‘Be Your Own Astrologer’. Because we are not allowed to post anything like this here, I am sending you a link by private e-mail, which I hope you will enjoy. If anyone else is also interested in this, please contact me in the same way. With love – Aquarius
Posted 11/13/2007 1:30 AM (#2888 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Hi all: I am insistent in the belief that astrology is a science, and not a made up, composite, solely interpretative field of endeavor. Read these words and notice the key word, repeated twice: "Astrology can hit on ones tendency to over do it in certain area's andat certain times, so we can become aware of these tendancies during ourcalculated weak times. Even if it's all in the head, it somehow worksand gives us something to work with." "Tendency" and "tendancies"(sp?) are the ruling words, and I believe this to be true. That is why I particulary wanted to hear from Virgos, because no matter how different we might be by gender, race, distance and time, we WILL have certain "tendencies" as Doc put it, or "consistencies" as I put it, that significantly mark us as Virgos. The question becomes is this true by virtue of interpretation, or by the truth in the stars? Well, I am a historian, and I study things historical all the time, as it is my personal passion. I have studied many historical movements of time, and find that the "history" changes with the interpreter and the time it is being interpreted in. But, since I have an inclination towards metaphysics, I also look at history with another eye...a third eye, as one poster said. My conclusions are thus: Astrology is as perfectly valid now as it was then; The Metaphysians of times past knew this science; They left us a record of their studies; The stars impel, they do not compel.
Peace, Marty, unknown sign cats Luckylee and Poppyhead, and Virgo cat SissyGirl
Posted 11/13/2007 9:03 AM (#2894 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: United Kingdom
It seems to me that far too many astrological myths to this day abound in our world. Let us spin this thread a bit further. I can tell you from my first hand experiences that such tales are not based on what astrology truly is about. To give you another example, Virgos are supposed to be neat and tidy people, whilst Librans – as already mentioned – are thought of as being well balanced. Yet, some of the most untidy people I have ever met were Virgos and some of the most wildly out of balance ones I know are Librans. Such myths always did puzzle me. The explanation for them clearly lies in the fact that it is true for these two signs, the same as for all the others, that the gifts each sign can bestow upon those born into them will never fall into their laps. Rather they have to be developed and worked with, so that in the course of a whole lifetime they may be built into our character.
Each human soul is guided and protected, mostly probably against its own foolhardiness, by wise ones whose charge it is. They help the soul to choose a lifetime in the sign whose qualities it is most in need of developing. Either it does not yet have brought forth these qualities at all or if it did so insufficiently, another opportunity will be offered this time round.For example, in Virgo the soul first becomes aware for the need of working tidily and meticulously. It gathers many experiences that help it to appreciate the idea of conducting one’s whole life in this manner. A soul who has not yet integrated this lesson may be advised to be born through someone who already is extremely neat and tidy. If you are the parent of a very untidy child, maybe even a Sun Virgo, be patient and do not allow your child’s behaviour to drive you round the bend, or the two of you apart.As the child’s life progresses and through watching those around it, it is likely that it will eventually recognise the benefits of living in more orderly ways, which in the fullness of time they may wish to emulate.
None of the people I ever encountered behaved in accordance with what the textbooks say about their Sun sign. Looking back, I can honestly say that I have never met one typical Virgo or Libra or Leo or Sagittarius and so forth. The reason? There is no such thing as a typical Virgo, Libra or whatever! As mentioned many times during these files, each sign is a pathway that can help the soul to develop certain characteristics. The degree to which each individual soul succeeds varies greatly from person to person. That is hardly surprising because it depends on many factors. For starters, each soul is unique and in the course of many lifetimes has developed in a different way from every other one. Each has always had its own pathway to walk and its own experiences to gather, and therefore carries within the bowl of itself a different store of memories, on which it is now drawing. But then, isn’t that just what makes our world and the people in it so endlessly fascinating?
As we are here now, each one of us is likely to have been recycled many times round the wheel of life, whose symbol is the zodiac. Therefore, we also have passed through our particular Sun sign many times before, each time coping with its lessons with greater or lesser success. This lifetime is yet another opportunity for doing better. It is an extra special one because for many of us it brings the chance of – maybe the first time in the whole of our development thus far – consciously working on the improvement of our character. Each one of us is many-faceted jewels, precious and loved by our Divine parents. We are all here to become more whole – hence, being healed, more holy and at one with our Highest Self. Knowing those things helps me to keep my perspective on my own life, my place and role in it, as well as everybody else’s, in the Great Plan of all things.
Posted 11/13/2007 1:51 PM (#2895 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Hi all: I think Aquarius has summed up the ideas and conjectures of this post in a very succinct manner. I am inspired by her words, as affirmation in what I believe. Practical example: I am Virgo and "tend" towards neatness, tidiness and order. Yet, I can run my finger along a "knick knack" shelf and draw a line in the dust that is there. I cannot "control" the dust, I wipe it off one day, and the next it is back more prominent than before. Does this bother me? Innately, it does, but I have learned by experience that there is nothing I can do about it, other than to become obsessed by it and allow that "tendency" to rule my life. Please also note that these "tendencies" are oftentimes encouraged moreso for certain people and people as a whole, by advertising that shills "concepts" that really do absolutley nothing more or less than any other concept or method. A wiping down with vinegar cleans my kitchen as much or better than Formula 409 or Lysol 4in1 do. But, I am told that both products "kill" germs and bacteria 150% more than comparable products, and probably 1000% better than I do. Perfect fodderal for a Virgo! If you read in your "daily" horoscope that you will have a crummy day, and believe it...then you will. You might sit stuck in traffic and be late for some very important appointment. But, thousands of others, of all signs are sitting stuck in the same traffic, some EXACTLY where you are and with just as important things to do as you have. That is the nonsense of astrology. But, Aquarius has pointed out that there is a "grand plan"...a concept that I, too, believe, but not with the tinge of fatalism that Aquarius might have. Oh, and by the way, "fatalism" by the word and sound, seems negative. But, it is not, not at all. It is simply a belief that says fate is not totally within our self willed control nor our ego, nor the superego. It is a belief that there is an overriding principle (for want of a better word) that serves as a path and provides a guide to something, someone, someplace. Fatalism is the keystone of religion, and as you might interpret, Aquarius is a deeply religious person. Though our paths will be remarkably different, Aquarius and I will meet on a higher plane, as we all will. The celebration of life force! And, then, we shall part to begin the journey again.
Peace and Universal Love, Marty, and three cats amongst many.
Posted 11/17/2007 12:08 PM (#2931 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: United Kingdom
You are making some really interesting comments here; thank you for them, Marty. Most of them are spot on – but in two respects you could not be further off the mark! 1) you were saying that my approach to life is fatalistic. Far from it! To that I would say let us never forget that our tenderly loving Father/Mother Creator never trifles with any of us and does not want us to suffer unnecessarily and be unhappy! The pain and misery we had and still have to endure in the present were created by none other than us, not just during one lifetime, but many. Make no mistake about it, our character determines our destiny and what we do in the here and now, how we behave and what we create is of vital importance. It determines where we shall find ourselves in future lifetimes, what kind of encounters we shall have, which relationships we bring with us and which lessons are still to be integrated by us.
Everything that is in this life has purpose and meaning, including everybody’s suffering. It needs to be treated like a tool that has been given into our own hands, to help us become the master of our whole being and consequently of our destiny. Having reached the end of one large evolutionary cycle, it is up to each individual whether we happily reach out to any helping hand that offers itself, visible and invisible, or whether we reject them. Whatever our choice may be, God and the Angels work through and with each one of us; without them there would be no world – there would be none of us. Learn to trust them.
This leads us to the second concept where you could not be further off the mark, Marty. If believing in and working with God and the Angels creates the impression that I am a deeply religious person, you could not be more mistaken. Yes, I am deeply spiritual, but not religious – to me, there is a big difference between the two. In case you are then wondering where I stand spiritually towards the religious organisations of our world, including White Eagle, it may interest you to know that throughout this whole lifetime, I have been a free spirit.
Occasionally, I visit churches and other places of worship, and am not averse to taking part in their services; some of them can be most enjoyable. But, like any true child of the Aquarian Age, I refuse to be bound by anyone’s dogma or creed. I relish the freedom to follow my heart and the knowledge that this is the only place in the whole of Creation where all truth is known. I only believe that which my inner teacher tells me to be true, and that alone I am sharing with you in all my writings. As pointed out before, the perception of truth varies from person to person; therefore yours may well be different from mine. Wherever the two digress from each other, ask your inner teacher to show you what is right for you.
Posted 11/18/2007 3:52 AM (#2934 - in reply to #2931) Subject: RE: Astrology
Hi Waterbearer, and all: Hopefully, in what all have just read as this thread progresses, you will see the utter futility of words, since we cannot make them convey what is truly meant. Aqua..let me try this again.... "our tenderly loving Father/Mother Creator," ....your words, are therefore fatalistic....as you believe that that is so. Suppose there is no creator? Suppose things just happen, and by the event, there arises a cosmic consciousness that is composed entirely because of the event? Beyond that, a "big bang" concept, or a "creationist" concept is fine, but I have to know what existed before?????? Secondly, "that I am a deeply religious person, you could not be more mistaken. Yes, I am deeply spiritual, but not religious" Again, the lack of words to adequately express! The religious experience (as I have said many times) has absolutely nothing to do with religion. It is so far removed from religion, that those who have a "religious experience" must be signaled out somehow, the RC's call them saints. The "saints" were somehow spiritual people. Did they think of a name to give the spiritual state that they perceived and lived? Maybe so, maybe not. Most likely, they perceived something divine and did what they did in accordance with that vision. Just as you do, dear Aqua, just as you said.
Peace and Much Love, Marty, and invisible SissyGirl; visible Luckylee & Poppyhead
Posted 11/18/2007 8:51 AM (#2935 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: United Kingdom
Thank you, dear Marty! You are right, words are so inadequate and we can but try to explain that which can only understood by the heart, don’t you think? Thanks for trying. To me, the word religious always has a by-taste of belonging to a certain religion. Let me explain a little bit what the notion of God means to me.
Where does one sensibly start an exploration of such magnitude? How about first of all asking ourselves the most fundamental question of all? And that surely has to be: ‘Is there a God? What do you think? After all that has happened and still is happening in our world, could there possibly be one? And should the answer be ‘yes’ and if our God is a loving one – as we are being told – why does He allow our world to be so full of pain, suffering, and inequalities?’ Great parts of humankind, to this day, have such a limited perception of the Eternal that they have difficulties grasping that there is a great deal between Heaven and Earth that still needs to be found out. I can merely speak for myself, but I would like to tell you: ‘Yes, I do not only believe but know that there is a God – to be more precise – a Creator; how could there be a Creation without a Creator?’ All answers to questions of a spiritual nature depend on one’s own perception and level of awareness; this especially applies to how and what we imagine God to be. Is it a being or is it the all-pervading energy that manifests itself in humankind as that which is good and right and holy; in the love we feel and the kindness we give to each other, without expecting anything in return? I believe the latter to be true, but each has to decide for themselves what the Divine means to them.
One thing is sure, as you and I shall soon find out together, our life and all life is something much more beautiful and profound, as well as a great deal less complicated than any of us could ever have thought possible. Where does one start to explain? Best of all probably through an affirmation that the core of all being, including humankind’s, is spirit. We are here to find a new understanding of ourselves and to re-discover that first and foremost we are spirit. Over many lifetimes, each one of us has learnt and grown through gathering their own experiences of life in physicality. Through this, each individual and also our world developed a soul. Our own soul is part of the soul of our world; this in turn is part of the soul of the whole of Creation. We shall return to the theme of soul later.
Moslem tradition tells us: ‘The world is a bridge; pass over it but do not build your house on it.’ It is believed that this wisdom came to our world through Christianity’s beloved and revered Master Jesus. Those were wise words indeed; no doubt they were spoken to remind us that our true home is elsewhere. Although we are presently walking around in physical bodies, we and everything that shares this life with us is on a pathway of evolution onto ever higher levels of consciousness. Life on Earth is a place of learning and a school of mysteries. In past ages, God has been considered to be its Great Mystery. But the unravelling of what and who we are, to me is the greater mystery by far. Not for nothing has it been said: ‘Children of Earth know yourselves, and you shall know God and the Universe.’But before we can make any progress in our search, we first need to discover and unravel who and what we truly are. And what are we? Each one is a unique spark of the Great Light and a young God in the making; no more, no less.
With Love and Light,
Posted 11/21/2007 7:53 AM (#2980 - in reply to #2831) Subject: RE: Astrology
Hmm I have an opinion with regards to Astrology. It is a connection within our whole self to the universal self, astrology helps us in alot of ways. Such as physically, mentally and spiritually. So I see it as going hand in hand with science because it is physical proof of the metaphysical.
Okie hope you all have a good one,
Posted 11/21/2007 8:18 AM (#2982 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: United Kingdom
You are putting forward some very good points of view, dear friend, but when you say that astrology is physical proof of the metaphysical, that is one that as an astrologer I cannot share with you. Naturally, I would not dream of wishing to categorically state that astrology is this, that or the other for everybody. All I can tell you is what it means to me and the way I use it. Astrology supplies me with the means of an esoteric understanding of the underlying principles of the physical presence of the planets in the sky above us. To me, it is a pathway for finding out how each one relates to the character of every individual soul and for revealing the potential we all have to develop and change it. This to my mind is of the greatest importance because through consciously working on and changing our character, it is possible to influence not only our individual destiny, but also that of the collective.
With Love and Light,
Posted 11/21/2007 8:01 PM (#2985 - in reply to #2982) Subject: RE: Astrology
Absolutely Aquarius I tautoko (encourage, support) this and share your opinion as well. They the planets and alignments help to activate ourselves. And as you mentioned it is but one of many pathways to help develop or understand our growth. Collective absolutely when I like you share Light it is for the whole and I have no barriers or prejudices, otherwise it would not be from my Devine Self.
Posted 11/25/2007 12:15 AM (#3010 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Hi all: Aquarius, your post of 11/18 was eloquent indeed! Your post of 11/21 was, for me, a bit confusing. It is your use of "esoteric" that does this. The knowledge advanced by Kepler,Newton and Galilei, even as far back as Aristarchus, places things where they should be. Without the science...the sun would still be pulled by chariots across the sky. The earth would be the center of the universe. The constellations would still bear their names, but the positions of the planets would be totally different as they would have to be based on point of reference in an earthcentric system. I know that it is difficult to think with the mind of one who lived in the past, but that is what true historians try, as feebly as they might. The historical evidence suggests that astrology and science, the very same science practiced by the above mentioned persons, work hand in hand, and the knowledge gained, included (not precluded) one and the other. Was astrology to become hermetic? Esoteric? Even, heretical? Well, again, the historical evidence clearly shows the answer to be yes. Though some of the men named above were religious (i.e. spiritual) people; it was an organized, hierachical, entity (religion) that sought to suppress the knowledge and the wisdom that might be gained, in favor of the rigidity of belief. The men who did this sought for us to see the "light" but they shuttered the very light that we were destined to see.
Peace and lux, Marty and Copernican Cats P.S. Also, Aq...you gotta elaborate on "what" was created, from what? If a creator created, where did the creator create from?
Posted 11/26/2007 1:31 PM (#3023 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: United Kingdom
You are raising some highly interesting points here, Marty! Because I am very busy with other things, it’ll take me a few days to respond to them – but I shall do so with relish! For now you've got to make do with love – Aquarius
Posted 12/17/2007 11:59 PM (#3236 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Hi all, in realus Lyon and Aqua: In what I said, the men I mentioned studied, lived and in some cases, died for. The Rosicrucians know this, as they (we) have been persecuted for the knowledge throughout history.....mistakenly identified as in allegiance with "The Masons" but that is wrong and another story. Quite rightly identified as alchemists, but that is also another story as "alchemy" was not thought of as it is judged to be today. No matter, as astrology, in my view, is and always will be a science, and one that we can seek to understand, if only we have the knowledge; much of which has been lost to us.
peace 'n understanding, Marty and Ring-a-round the rosie cats!
Posted 12/18/2007 8:51 AM (#3244 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: United Kingdom
Dear Lyonna – if you understood that I was saying somewhere that the ascendant and the Moon sign are fixed, then we must have a crossed wire somewhere. Where please, did I say it? Please, let me know so that I can express what I mean more clearly. Of course we have freedom of choice and it is up to us how we behave, whether we are a Sun, Moon, ascendant Scorpio or any other sign for that matter. With love – Aquarius
Posted 12/18/2007 9:18 AM (#3246 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Hi Aqua: "Of course we have freedomof choice and it is up to us how we behave, whether we are a Sun, Moon,ascendant Scorpio or any other sign for that matter". This is not always the case, and sometimes never. There are times when there is no freedom of choice, there is only the question of primal thinking...fight or flight. You have to make that choice in a split second, because if you delay, then there is only one thing....and that is fight. The timing is so intricate, and the results so telling!
Peace n Love, Marty and Warring Cats, but I shall be the peacemaker!
Posted 12/19/2007 1:33 PM (#3264 - in reply to #3246) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: United Kingdom
Dear Marty - trust you to think of that!!! With love - Aquarius
Posted 1/4/2008 11:23 PM (#3379 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
i am born on teh 20th May 91, in the Southern Hermisphere which means thats its hard to know what is correct, if i am a true taurus, or if i am on the cusp... any help would be lovely.. as i love astrology and speaking to someone who knows there stuff
Posted 1/5/2008 9:10 AM (#3380 - in reply to #25) Subject: RE: Astrology
Location: United Kingdom
Dear Fellow Worker - please, send me your birth details by private e-mail and I shall look into it for you. I need your date of birth, time of birth - as exact as possible - and your place of birth; your name in real life would be helpful but is not really necessary. As mentioned a few times before, I am not looking for business and I no longer do birthchart interpretations, because I cannot make the time available for them. With love - Aquarius