Posted 10/4/2005 9:50 PM (#14) Subject: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Have you had an astral projection expereince? What was your expereince, and what do you think astral projection is? Feel free to make any comments about astral projection that you would like to offer. If you have questions, ask and see what others say either about astral projection itself, or your expereince.
Posted 10/24/2005 6:50 AM (#57 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
I recently had my first astral projection. I am sooooo excited! Wow! I was actually meditating on something else entirely when it just happened! It seemed like suddenly I pushed up through some kind of membrane and had a thousand dreams all at once and then I was free! I found myself hovering over the town. It was around sunset time, and the only thing I could think of to do was go for the sun. It was sort of automatic. I don't know if I decided that, I just started zooming toward the light. Since I was in Key West when this happened, I ended up zooming out over the ocean, just going for it. I was just so excited that I was doing this, and the speed that I was travelling was really fast.
The guided meditation was still going on in the background, but the words were unclear. I was actually using the rythym of the voice to travel on somehow, though. Then suddenly there were two really high guides on either side of me and each of them gently caught me by the elbows and turned me around and headed me back to Key West. I think they were laughing a little becuase I was such a beginner and took off like a toddler who suddenly discovered the art of running. They brought me back to my body and I dropped back into my body right in time for the end of the half hour meditation I was listening to. It didn't seem like I was gone for a half hour though. It seemed like I was only gone for a couple minutes, it seemed so short, and I was really bummed that it was over so soon! I felt like I had just gotten started and there was so much to explore!
I would really like to hear about anybody else's astral projection expereinces if you want ot share them. I also really want to learn how to do this on a regular basis so any pointers would be greatly appreciated!
Posted 10/26/2005 11:20 PM (#74 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
that does sound so interesting, I too would like to experience astral projection. Does it come at random or one has to work on it?
Posted 10/27/2005 5:11 AM (#76 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: Arcata, CA
I discovered that astral projection does take a bit of work and focus. Then it takes lots of meditation. The work is mostly re-training your mind to believe that it is possible, healing and finding peace with the past. I found that I had to do a lot of inner healing before it was possible to have OBEs , as if there was a safeguard about getting into the astral worlds, where there can be a lot of fearful and disturbing expereinces if one is not healed from deep wounds and issues. After a certain amount of inner healing is done and mastery over physical life is somewhat in hand, then astral projection occurs naturally as if it is a logical next step in the spiritual path.
As far as the actual techniques for astral projection, of which there are several you can practice, you get lots of info on those in the astral projection course in the Master's degree curriculum at UMS. A good one to start with, however, is in meditation to simply become aware of your astral body that is inside your physical body. See if you can find a light, floating "double." That's where it all starts. Then start stretching it around a little, like elongating the feet or the head. I found it easiest to slip out through the feet or the head like sliding, or rolling over onto my side out of the body, rather than trying to rise above the bed straight up toward the ceiling. Also, make sure you are not near electrical outlets, this seems to interfere.
When your projection is about to begin, you might feel a huge (or not so huge) vibration, as if you are being electrocuted or something (after some practice that goes away) so just go with it and don't be alarmed. Looking for that "vibration" feeling is also a great starter technigue for finding the astral "double" inside your physical form.
Posted 10/27/2005 3:27 PM (#78 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
My experiences with astral projection have always occured directly after becoming lucid in a dream. I immediately begin traveling at very high rates of speed, and visit different places. Anyone else have this experience?
Posted 10/28/2005 2:54 AM (#80 - in reply to #78) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
yes I have traveled in my sleep to places. One of them was australia to visit a frineds house which i had no idea what it looked like. when I described the surrounding and the details to my australian friend she confirmed the accuracy. the other place was jeruslim. I always wanted to visit the holy grounds and one night I was touring jeruslim. the other strange think is when I first wanted to drive. I learned most of my driving in my dream. so if that is called astral travel then I have experienced it. I also remember one night when I wanted to to induce astral travel as i was laying in my bed and meditating my body started to vibrate, but before i take off I decided to use the bathroom, when i came back I couldn't induce it again.
but I am also afraid somehow of what i might encouter, I guess there is a fear factor.
Posted 10/31/2005 3:52 AM (#85 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
I have expereinced that vibration thing too, as if there is some sort of electical "glue" that keeps us in our body, and when we try to leave for an astral journey, we pull the plug so to speak, and there is electrical resistance to the separation because there is a magnetic pull to keep the spirit in the body or it would float away and the expereince of human life (and forgetfulness) would be impossible. I felt a big fear when that vibration started too and botched many potential astral projections because I would catch my breath and balk. I end up moving or having to go to the bathroom and then I lose the possibility! That having to go to the bathroom right before take off thing has happened for me too more than once, and I wonder if my consciousness opens up to it just because it knows it can't really take off because the physical needs of the body will hold it back. I wonder why I hardly ever get that when I am free to go into the journey. There seems to always be some kind of thing from physical reality that prevents me from going, whether it be interruptions or physical needs.
Posted 11/1/2005 9:53 AM (#86 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
The power of the universe and your guides are protecting you. They are making sure that you are safe and protected. If you have a chance re-read Christine's post above and do some meditations around personal healing and the shadow self. Over time, issues will come to the surface that you make not even be aware of. Once you start working these issues, you will find that the number of physical interruptions will decrease moving you closer to your goal.
Posted 11/21/2005 9:06 PM (#131 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Here's mine: I'll make it really short.
I used to live in Paragould, Arkansas. It's on the Northeast corner of Arkansas, about 15 minutes from Missouri. Well, my half-brother ( of a different Father) asked me to come live with him and try out the "city life". So, in just one week I was 250 miles away from my home in Granite City, Illinois (about 10 minutes from St. Louis).
I moved up on a Friday and got a job with my brother as an apprentice painter that following Monday. Well, one night I went to sleep at the normal time of around 11 as always but awoke due to the outcome of a sudden spiritual experience. I was standing outside the condominium my brother and I had been working on for the past few weeks. It was very near a college and the homes looked like basic 3 story complexes. Every floor was an individual condo. Nice places. Well, I noticed looking up the sun hadn't risen yet so I assumed it was approaching dawn b/c there was faint light coming over buildings. I could hear the slight wind rustling the trees, the bustling of cars in the early bird rush, and everything else that could possibly be heard in "real life". However, when I looked down I realized that I wasn't made of flesh at the moment. I was......kinda like me, but a rather feathery, smoky material....???? I believe it was my astral body.
Anyway, when I came to the realization of my current state I decided to have fun with it. I couldn't believe it....I was Lucid!!!!!!!! Yesssssss!!! I was fully aware and conscious of what was happening! How can this possibly be?! Just prior to this experience I was only reading about it and speculating on the existence of astral travelling. I didn't want this to stop!
Well, remembering in my personal research that the astral body is (of course) capable of flight, I decided to try it. Now, the weird thing is, I cannot fully convey how this felt b/c it was so unhuman that I have not enough words. But I'll try........
I looked down, crouched, looked back up while crouching, and leaped into the air. Forgetting that I was in the 3rd dimension but in my astral body, I was no longer affected by gravity. I flew straight up into the air above the building! Out of fear from this being my first "conscious" trip I stopped above this section of the city. I could see as far as the horizon would allow. I just paused there and took in the sunrise like I never had. I could feel the warmth unlike my human skin would typically feel. It was as if I could feel every particle of light penetrating my very spirit. It was the most revealing and cosmic event of this incarnation to date. Well, something unusual started to happen. Just as I was becoming more aware of my current state of being, I began to feel a "tug" on my astral self. It was if as I was being pulled down, but also "through". Every thing started to fade into blackness, and in an instant my eyes were open and I was looking at my alarm clock......6:00am...man...time for reality again!
Upon getting awakening and stumbling about I had a sense of dizziness, and yet I had a strange emptiness inside me. It was as if I had a longing for something that I could no longer have. The funny thing was that I knew exactly what I was missing. I missed being out of my body. I already missed my true self. It was a very uneasy effect on the physical body I must say.
When we arrived at work I had the most profound Deja Vu up to that point. I had already been here not even 2 hours ago!!! I knew it had actually happened! I saw familiar parked vehicles and the sun was well over the buildings now, warming the cold sidewalk.
I haven't had an experience yet. I don't know how to access it intentionally yet.
Posted 11/25/2005 11:53 AM (#136 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
We did astral projection in my progressive metaphysics course a short while back.
It was nothing difficult to achieve. We did it through a guided meditation. It was a wonderful experience. I was nervous b/c I thought it would be some 'strange' experience but it was not.
It doesn't have to be complicated, just go with it.
Posted 12/1/2005 2:51 AM (#148 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
well couple of nights ago I had a little taste of astral travel. after reading these threads and after listening to coast to coast am radio show, they had a guest on who was explaining astral travel skills and how easy it is to use. I tried it and it worked. I saw myself cutting through the white clouds with a beutiful blue sky. I started feeling the flight. My heart was so joyous it felt like it was gonna leap out of my chest. then as soon as my mind kicked in and wanted to conduct this flight I lost it ,everything went blank. I was back and awake, felt my body vibrating gently. I also heard roaring sound. The exprerience was brief, gentle, beautiful. I tried to induce this experience again last night but I couldn't. am looking forward to experience it again.
Posted 12/26/2005 2:14 AM (#183 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
I had two. One was when I was at the Dentist. They just gave me this gas to do work on my teeth and suddenly I was looking down at myself. The dentist was blocking my view of the work he was doing, which was probably a good thing.
Second: I was asleep and lifted out of my body and ascended through the roof. I was amazed I could go through the wood and tiles. I was now floating above the house, scared that I had no control of my flight. The stars looked so clear and the vastness of distance and freedom and an eternity of space was open before me. I started floating above the houses and started along the sreets and I began to gain a little more control of my direction. I went over the Market House downtown and thought I better get back. I was afraid of getting tangled in the electrical lines and was about to panic when I descended through the lines, quite amazed over that feat, then I floated through the roof back to my body and woke up with a rabbit pounding heart.
Posted 1/10/2006 12:24 AM (#191 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
I had an astral projection after doing a sweat lodge once. I was really hot and ready for cooling, jumped in a creek outside the sweatlodge, and as I laid there on a rock with the water rushing over my shoulders, I rose up in the air about 20 feet, spinning like a top, and then came back down! Wow! It was cool! Haven't been able to do it again since them.
Posted 3/10/2006 5:33 PM (#299 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
One day as I meditated and said hello to my Sporty dog (now in spirit). suddenly I floated up and out of my body. Sporty showed me as if a tour of the heavens, a huge place of bright golden light where people were healed, and the most vivid colors, and finally a living room with a huge rock fireplace and her blanket right in front of it. The odd part was my recliner was there in a corner near a sort of window as if she could see me sitting in it at night which comforted her. Lori
Posted 3/30/2008 10:52 AM (#4144 - in reply to #183) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: No I'm not impersonating a cat! I'm a laughing Owl
Yes I notice that these experiences seem to happen when you most closest to death. Like you said you were under anesthesia. That is one of the times when you are most closest to death. My experiences have come when I'm so exhausted it feels as though I'm too tired to even breath in my sleep. That's only happened twice and both times I had an out of body experience.
What I do is look at the clock to see if it's just a dream or real, when I wake up I remember what time it was and then check the clock and I had the correct time. Someone else posted the same thing in another discussion. He looked at the clock and awoke to find that he knew what time it was due to his astral projection experience.
Posted 4/2/2008 10:54 AM (#4199 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
I was wondering if there was a metaphysical reason for Panic Attacks and have been complaining that I don't get to astral project like everyone else I know..... and I found out that.... I've experienced all the options.
Check this out! This is from a blog somewhere... i copied it.. sorry to whomever....
**COMMONLY REPORTED PHENOMENA**
(ASSOCIATED WITH OUT-OF-BODY EXPERIENCES)
Based on 16,185 responses)
1: Experienced a jolt or jerk awake - 98%
2: Experienced sounds such as buzzing, humming or roaring - 85%
3: Experienced vibrations or high energy sensations - 56%
4: Experienced floating, sinking or spinning sensations - 82%
5: Experienced sleep paralysis - 72%
6: Flying in a dream - 81%
7: Being touched or lifted - 33%
8: Panic attack, overwhelming surge of fear created by strange vibrations or sounds - 46%
9: Hearing voices or footsteps - 37%
10: Seeing through closed eyelids - 49%
11: Lucid dreaming - 79%
12: Seeing or feeling the presence of an unknown nonphysical being - 22%
13: Seeing, hearing or speaking to a deceased loved one - 24%
Love you MOMMY!!!! Muah
How about smelling roses and stuff???
OK ok... I will stop *Bt'ing* about not being able to Astal project.. Apparently, I do it more often than I thought..
Posted 4/2/2008 12:50 PM (#4202 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: NE Ohio
OBE is not an easy thing to accomplish for some. It takes quite a bit of mind control. To be honest, the first time I did it, it scared the crap out of me and I thought some demonic force was doing it. I was wrong. I just lost control, because i was not used to having a weightless body and inevitably i started spinning. I hear its normal.
As far as Anxiety, OBE's happen mostly in the morning, after a full night of sleep, you would be more relaxed at that point, but... blood suger would be low, and that would also be a cause of panic feelings. Maybe try getting up and eating a high protein breakfast and go back to meditate, or bed for lucid dreams. The anxiety would be lower, unless there is a fear attached to it.
Posted 4/10/2008 10:27 AM (#4309 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: Wrocester Mass
I remember my first almost OBE. It was during a Reiki session a long time friend was giving me. I had been very stressed and anxious, and i called her up and just told her that i needed this session. It was probably only a 20 minute session, but i only noticed the first five. As i laid there, she told me to picture my energy at my core, and to imagine drawing all my energy to this center. Then she told me to imagine it spreading out of my body, from my head, stomach, and feet. Through the top of my head was the only thing that felt natural, so i went with this. The moment i pictured the energy leaving my body i was intsantly calmed. My muscles relaxed, my breathing slowed, and I began to feel vibrations. They were extremely comforting, almost the way it feels to be rocked by a loved one, not distracting, It was like my energy was buzzing inside me, and i wasn't aware until it broke the surface of my physical being. But the session was suddenly over, leaving me calm, yet curious.
There is only one time that i believe i had an OBE. I was meditating alone on my bed, picturing the same situation i described earlier. I imagined the energy leaving me and filling my room. It began to gather in the center of the room. One moment i was in my physical body watching the energy gather through closed eyes, the next, i was the energy, watchying my physical self meditate through open eyes. I did not know what to do, so i did the only thing i could think of. I flew straight up through the ceiling, through the clouds and watched the earth fall away. I soared through the solar system, out of this galaxy, and through the universe. I can't explain the level of intensity. I was more excited than ever before, but it was a calm excitement. I saw things that i can't put words to except pure beauty. As i pictured myself reaching the "edge" of the universe, i recieved an erie warning feeling, telling me to look inside, not out. A moment later i was in my bed, ready for sleep. I often meditate before bed as i have a very difficult time sleeping, But haven't had this same experience again.
Does anybody have thoughts on whether meditaion works better when looking in yourself, rather than out at the world? Or maybe looking in is the first step, and looking out comes next? It would make sense with what i read above about self healing first, before having OBE's.
Posted 4/13/2008 1:19 AM (#4326 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Hi all: Lifted from Ongo's post: "It was during a Reiki session" Some years ago, I heard some music that had a very profound effect upon me and, fortunately, I scribbled the information down before I "went" to visit my college-days apartment that I haven't seen in many many years. The music is titled "The Heart of REIKI" by Merlin's Magic...except I wrote it the other way around, "Merlins Magic" by the Heart of REIKI. But, the efficiency of search engines steered me to what I was looking for. Now, I had NO CLUE as to what REIKI was. I didn't find out until I met a REIKI master in a chat group.....and REIKI was not our topic of conversation...it came up by accident. Anyway, the music always has the most strangest effect upon me, and I have gone to places that I never thought I would have while this music plays. But, I did walk through my old apartment, and I recalled the floral print curtains in the front windows, because of the unique design. (I had blinds when I was physically there). Those of you who know me, know that I am highly skeptical of things until I have personally experienced them, and proven that experience to be true. Soooo.....one Saturday afternoon I hopped into Nellie (Scarlett's predecessor) and drove to Brookland, Washington, DC....the neighborhood that Catholic University is in. I drove to my old apartment...and lo and behold, the curtains in the windows were exactly the ones that I saw! Unnerved, I headed over to Colonel Brooks Tavern for a bit of "holy water" to steady my hand and clear or cloud my head, as the case may be. I walk in and I hear "Hello Marty" from the guy behind the bar.......it was Phil Barr! Still there after twenty years!! Oh yes, I am a believer in traveling, BIG TIME!
Yours, Marty and Stay-at-home Cats, Luck, Popp, and Siss
Posted 4/13/2008 1:53 PM (#4333 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
I think there is some confusion, at least in me, about o.b.es and astral travel. For instance I can have an obe at will while meditating, but astral implies out among the stars and the only time I have really accomplished this in in lucid dreaming and in glimerings and corner-of-the-eye-like glimpses under certen circumstances. I therefore am unsure of the practice. I know that many would say "when you get there you will know," yet I am still unsure. I feel I am on the brink of something remarkable. I hope and believe my meditative travels could become true travel through the stars. Mabey one of you could tip the balance for me? Then again mabey a balence has alredy been tipped.
Posted 4/14/2008 5:50 PM (#4349 - in reply to #4333) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Hi Cause, I had not heard that the astral realm was relegated to the stars alone. OBEs, astral projection, lucid dreaming, shamanic journeying all take you into the Astral planes, levels of experience and consciousness beyond the ordinary material world. If youwant to dance among the stars, go! Peace.
Posted 4/16/2008 2:46 AM (#4378 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: Portland, Oregon
ahhh sooo many trips into the aether. Hmm
One time when I was first unlocking the ability within me, I was talking to my friend on the internet. I told her to hold on for a moment that I wanted to try something. I reached out and found a lock of hair that I left there and used it as a gateway to pull myself through. Then I went to her and kissed her for a little while. I pulled myself back and reopened my eyes and asked her what she felt. She asked me why I stopped kissing her.
That was a good day. :-)
I got to the point where I could step out at will and would walk around my apartment, interact with astral entities, visit people who were also projecting at the time. (There are a lot more then youd think). I can also pull people out of their bodies. But then my life started getting very... rough... and so I had to close all that off so I could focus on getting stable-enough income. (Which I'm still looking for 3 years later... stupid economy, my city is currently at 10% unemployment). I can still do some things like project and manipulate energy fields (including pulling people out) but most of my... higher end functions (?) have been turned off at the moment.
Posted 4/16/2008 2:51 AM (#4379 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: Portland, Oregon
ooh!!! and this other time, a group of my friends and I projected into a non-physical temple. There was a sarcophogus in one room that acted as a link back and a guardian-type statue in the hall. There was a room in the back overflowing with books with one set up on a pedastal. Then another entity came along and forced most of us to leave and gave my friend an interesting (positive) message for us. I was percieving through their eyes and sketching what they were seeing so unfortunatly I wasn't there to interact heh. (Still have the sketches)
Posted 4/17/2008 5:55 AM (#4410 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
I have had one spontaneous out of body experience, I projected straight into the astral plane on board some kind of spacecraft. It only lasted a few seconds because of the shock that I felt because I didnt understand what was going on. If anyone wants a good book on learning to project safely I recommend Robert Bruces book "Astral Dynamics". You can also visit his website at http://www.astraldynamics.com/ .
Posted 4/18/2008 7:17 AM (#4429 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
hi,i feel obe,s can be a dangerous practice,there are so many layers to go through,some not good.I don,t think it should be encouraged,as people hearing of others good times while doing it,may be tempted to practice,for the fun and thrill of it,i,m not even sure we are meant to be experimenting at all.We all have lucid dreams,where we travel in our sleep,and return to our body before we awake,we learn a lot from this natural state,if we are woken too soon during this travelling,i.e alarm clocks,telephone,etc,we can have problems realighning with our body,so to practice on purpose,i think is not meant to be,and can be very dangerous.I suppose if anyone replies to this,there will be an uproar of denial,and so on,so be it,my thoughts are my own,and not meant to offend others.
Posted 4/18/2008 8:02 AM (#4430 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: Wrocester Mass
This forum is pretty good about not attacking people lol. You'll get some input and either take and maybe change your opinion, or reaffirm your
current beliefs. Do you believe that with enough self healing that a person can become in tuned enough with there spiritual self that OBE's may become less of a risk and more beneficial? I tend to believe that you must be at a certain peace within yourself before you could even attain an OBE. Kind of like your guardian angels will not allow you to have one if you aren't ready, by throwing out warning signs such as fear, doubt, an alarm clock distracting you, etc.
Posted 4/18/2008 11:40 AM (#4432 - in reply to #4430) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
hi,no ,sorry,no matter how much self healing,and i think it takes years of self healing just to exist in this world,obe,s are not meant for us to practice.Self healing will get us in touch with our own personal spiritual journey,to help us do what we are put here for,and to attain knowledge,but to puroposely travel through the dimensions,layers,is not intended to be,and is messing about unwittingly,with the laws of the highest spirit realms.We each have our own personal guardian angel,that walks with us throughout our time on earth,to protect,and guide,on our journey,but to practice obe,s would put oneself deliberately in danger,not knowing the consequences.It takes many,many years of practice to get to a stage of high meditation,as practised by gurus,of ancient orogin,it can,t be acheived to that level by classes,or courses,only the basic meditation level is achieved,obviously some more practised than others,these are meant to be,as the world is in dire need of spirit knowledge,at this time,as we are on the verge of a crisis.ok,won,t bore u any more,but thankyou for replying,i am open to all opinions,and beleifs,but on this i stand firm,luv and lite to you my friend.
Posted 4/18/2008 12:09 PM (#4434 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: Wrocester Mass
There are those that whole heartedly believe i am crazy for thinking my spirit or astral body can leave my physical body. Some would say that everything you think you are experiencing during an OBE is in your head, that you never leave your body, and you just close your eyes and picture the whole experience in your head. You seem to be saying that you do believe OBE's are possible, but we should not be delving into them. If you read in my earlier post about my own OBE, you will probably find it very interesting that i heard a warning telling me to look in, not out, when i felt i was reaching the edge of existence. I love hearing different inputs about the topic, and you have inspired me to spend some serious time looking in. I wonder if i could achieve something similar to an OBE, but will be quite the opposite, AN IBE! Maybe you are right and to really have self-awareness and understanding we should be looking in. Maybe if we look hard enough we can uncover some mysteries about ourselves, maybe even have images, sounds, smells, emotions, or even lessons that we have learned in past lives suddenly come to life and help us grow now... Just some food for thought
Posted 4/18/2008 1:59 PM (#4436 - in reply to #4434) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
hi,inanswer to your question,yes i do beleive people have obe,s,mainly when they are near death,having operations,car crash vitims,etc,they see themselves being worked on by the surgeons,paramedics,and describe all in detail,then they are brought back to life,if you like,and remember the experience.That is to me,the spirit leaving the body,as it does at time of death,to enter into the spirit world,that person was clinicaly dead for a small amount of time,but it was not their time to go,so they were brought back.Our lives are mapped out for us,long before we are born,we choose who our parents are to be,so we can learn what we need,in that carnation,when we have learned what we are here for,our purpose,its time to go home.Some people do not achieve all in one lifetime,so we have to come back,and experience again,the lessons we failed to learn,and on it goes. We,on earth,should concentrate on our own personal journey,and listen to our intuition,our own purpose for being here,meditation is a very good way of geting to know the inner self,the spirit,it helps us to relax,and be more open to spirit guidance.As for learning about your past life,sorry i don,t beleive in regression either,what is gone is gone,another lifetime,we are in the here and now,we only have this moment,sorry if i seem to be a doubter of things many beleive in,i do not take anything away from the,its just my personal thoughts.I think you are on the verge of your own spiritual awakening,meditation will help with that,if you need help ask spirit,or the angels,ho are waiting for our call to help.We are not meant to know all about the spirit home,nor to travel there,deliberately,we do so in our sleep,astral travel,and collect information,knowledge,which we usualy cannot remember on waking,if your dreams are lucid,write them down in a diary,this will be spirit helping you.You say people may think your mad,in that case,if that is their beleif,that makes two of us,good luck on your journey,love and lite to you.
Posted 4/18/2008 5:25 PM (#4437 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: Saddlebrook,New Jersey
hi, I have an inate sense of dread of being in water by rocks or near piers etc. despite this I do a lot of snorkelling,even though I still fill with dread, but I overcome this.Anyway, today while I was deeply relaxing I suddenly had a really clear vision of a coastline. this was a series of headlands going off into the distance.I was looking from a perspective of being a few yards from the shore and my sight was at water level.either in a submarine or some such.However I was totally at peace, Usually I would have felt panic. Does anyone think this was an out of body or a memory from a previous life, maybe just before the trauma that causes my present fear? Please let me know your thoughts, thank you kindly.
Posted 4/18/2008 7:01 PM (#4442 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: NE Ohio
I feel anything is possible. Yes it very much could be a memory of a past life, doesn't mean it was an OBE during that life.
I have had plenty of OBE's, some of them i couldn't control, some of them i did. I personally find them exciting and definitely nothing to be afraid of. But if one has fear of it, then they should not go there, until their fear is diminished. I personally do not have a fear of astral travel (or OBE) and I find them both to be one and the same thing.
Death is a permanent OBE from our body, we have been there before, and we will be there again. Our death is just birth back into our real spiritual home. It's no different than our dream state.
Play, have fun and enjoy the freedom of exploring all that there is, after all, we are only stuck in an illusion of being physical.
Posted 4/18/2008 7:51 PM (#4446 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: United Kingdom
I can empathize with Sunflower's concerns ... UMS seems to me to be committed to disseminating sacred truth, some of which in the past times was kept hidden to protect the truth from those who might misuse it. This is partly a democratisation, but also a recognition of the urgency of the times in which we live, that the sacred truths need to be accessible to actually, paradixically, be preserved, and indeed, might help illuminate our dark age. So it is a risk, but i feel, a measured one, that behoves each of us trusting each other and ourselves on the path to be mindful and careful (of ourselves, each other and 'the truth')...
Posted 4/18/2008 8:08 PM (#4448 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: NE Ohio
It all depends on what one would "Think" the sacred truth is.... for we each come to our own conclusion, which may be totally different to one, than another. UMS does not represent any single conclusion, I speak of my own....
I can certainly understand the concern too. I just do not share the same feeling personally. I have no fear of OBE at all.
I only share my own experience and feelings.
Again, if one would fear it.... then one shouldn't attempt it. I totally agree~
Posted 4/19/2008 8:31 AM (#4463 - in reply to #4446) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
hi,thanks for post,to me astral traveling,and obe,s are the same thing,i prsonaly think this thread is getting totaly out of hand,and hysteric,soon,because so many are desperate to experience obe,s,because of the "wonderful experiences"they are reading of others,it will turn out like something of the film flatliners,don,t play with fire.
Posted 4/19/2008 12:06 PM (#4468 - in reply to #4463) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: NE Ohio
Please understand that just because some of us personally disagree with with feeling that an OBE is dangerous, does not mean it's out of hand, and by all means there is no hysteria here. Disagreeing is not hysteria, it's only sharing other views.
I have yet to ever read in the paper or any case file: person dies from OBE. There is no proof either way. I have never met a single person who was experiencing with OBE's to pass away because of that. I have a lot of friends who do this all the time, and they express very positive outcomes. It's something I absolutely love to do personally. It's freedom out of my body, and I can fly like an eagle.... it's beautiful to me.
Flatliners is very different than what we are talking about: They were shocked into a 'dead' state. I did like the movie, but it's fiction. With OBE's the person is hardly dead, they are very much alive and still very attached to their soul. I can see how that would be a very scary movie, and to relate it to OBE's would make it seemingly frightening.... i agree.
I know of many who not only astral travel daily, but also have enough experience that they wrote books on it, with many positive experiences. I am not going to promote books here, but amazon has many great books available on the subject. UMS also teaches a great course on Astral Traveling with great meditations. I found them to be beautiful, as I really enjoyed them as well as helpful.
I also had a woman on my talk show, that does remote viewing very well (which i feel is also a closely related subject). Another topic very closely related is Past Life Regressions. One cannot go back to a different life in their body, it must be done just like traveling by thought. Which is very similar to astral traveling. It's also not dangerous. I have regressed many people into their past lives and only positive has ever come from it.
I accept that one could personally think it's dangerous, and thus the case, then personally stay away from it. However, those who really want to pursue something like this, they have the right to give it a shot.
We will always have those who think things are dangerous, and other will think it's not. I think it's great to hear more than just my own experiences. I thank everyone for sharing all sides.
Posted 4/19/2008 9:30 PM (#4476 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: Portland, Oregon
ahhh OBE's, Negative feelings and etc.
First, and foremost. There is no such thing as hell. It was a creation by a church to instill fear into those who disagreed with their tenets. (One wonders if the Torturer and his thousands of victims they found recently dating back to 500AD might have been in the employ of the church to further propagate this fear)
Secondly, and the second most important. NOTHING has power OVER You. As frightening as something may seem, as powerful as something may seem, YOU have the power to banish it away with your thoughts, very easily at that. Nothing in the universe (save for The Source/Creator/Spirit/Etc) is more powerful then the mind of man (not A man, man as in mankind)
Thirdly, if you are OBE'ing and you do encounter a negative entity... 90% of the negatitve entites that one encounters on the other side are manifestations of internal issues. They derive strength from the high levels of conciouss energy and symbolicaly appear so that you can be made aware of them and do something about them. Being made aware of a negative aspect of ones own personality can be frightening, but the fear "they" create is internal, coming from your own misunderstanding.
OBE's are NOT dangerous. I repeat, NOT dangerous. Death is a permenant OBE and cannot come ahead of time, simply because you leave doesn't mean you can't come back. The universe has been around a lot longer then you and your conciousness, there are safeguards in place for just that reason. (The Astral Cord for example)
Regarding past lives, of course past lives happen. The universal law of energy is no energy can be created, nor destroyed. Concious energy, while being different then hydrogen, is still energy, the same quantum sparks of energy that constructs every filament of matter within the universe. Concious energy does NOT require a 3 dimensional body to stay coherant (the universe is 11 dimensional after all). The ability to remember, however, is upon the individual. Before life, we agree to a set of conditions regarding our life (including access to previously learned information, what our destiny is, who we'll fall in love with, who our families are etc etc etc) In order to function properly, we can not remember everything from past lives clearly as, if we could, we would be unable to discern our lives from each other and it would lead to mental chaos. This agreement is referred to in Paganistic circles as your "contract"
This is why OBE'ing, Astral projecting, Past Life regression, heck, spiritual things in general, require a lot of prequisites to be clear first. One must have a healthy sense of self, ego and spirit. One must have a strong head on their shoulders (many who don't are still able to play with reality, though, their minds arnt as safe from the effects, though they are unfortunatly cursed with their broken mind beforehand) One SHOULD have a good heart (though that doesnt always make it so... for more on that, we'd require additional conversations, let me just say look at a Ying/Yang symbol. Though ego and Divine are seperate, they are still part of the same whole... Thats an important thing to remember) The universe, generally, will not LET you explore where youre not supposed to for your own protection.
In conclusion: Do NOT be afraid. Fear is your animal instinct of self preservation kicking in because its going through something that animal minds just do NOT understand and is technically similair to death (though fully capable of supporting itself in a kind of suspended animation, pay attention to your breathing while OBE, you'll notice what I mean). Understand your fear, then comfort your animal self. It's experiencing something new and unique. and like a child would really like someone to hold its hand into this strange and unfamiliar territory.
Posted 4/19/2008 9:37 PM (#4477 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: Portland, Oregon
And Chotuni, It does sound like a Past Life experience, but that doesn't mean you were out of body at that moment in your past life. You could be remembering a life on the ocean and it may have been a very nice life (which would be why you seem comforted by it) OR
you could be being called by the ocean. The ocean is a very powerful energy transformer (which is why humans have a tendency to habitate near the coasts of bodies of undrinkable water) The ocean is wonderful for this purpose. It's great for flushing out negatives and filling oneself with the energy of the world!! Such a wonderful experience. I bury myself in the sand by the ocean whenever I get a chance to go and just become one with it. A wonderful experience I must say.
Posted 4/19/2008 11:08 PM (#4482 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: NE Ohio
Ahhhhh..... I personally share the same feelings as Schenn too.
But i have to say that the belief system is strong, and unfortunately others will find this concept very scary. I wish that I could better share my own experiences, so they would shine some light on the fear.... but one has to find their own truth.
I found my truth, which I have to confirm that my own findings are very close to what Schenn states indeed.
Posted 4/20/2008 2:49 AM (#4497 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Hi all: Dangerous? Well, everything in life presents some sort of challenge. Statistics tell us it is safer to fly than to drive a car, but, tell that to yourself as your plane goes down....and you will derive little comfort from it. Ancient humankind life was fraught with danger! It is no different now, just danger in a different guise, sometimes unknown. As Doc will tell you all (and SunFleur in particular), I do not believe in things that I haven't personally experienced, but I do not discount them, i.e, I think that there are ghosts, but I haven't seen one, so I can't really say. Now, I was in my old college apartment, in Washington, DC and I saw what was there. But, I was here in Elkridge, Maryland. Realizing that I could have been mistaken in my perception, I went to see. Why? Because I felt compelled to. The curtains in the windows was enough evidence to tell me that I had "really" been there. Sunnypetals....was I ill at ease upon this discovery? Well, of course...because I started to think about "me". Was I naked? Was I dressed? How would I have looked to someone who might have seen me? But, none of that made a bit of difference. I felt elated by the experience and, somehow, more at peace. Then, silly stupid me tries to duplicate it. And, I find that I cannot call it up on will alone, even though playing the same music which I think caused it to happen. HOWEVER, playing the same music, and going into a state of mind that is similar, I find myself "waking" up hours later....with no idea where I have been. The music plays 66 minutes. At times, I have put it on at say, 2330, and I hear the end of the song at 0430. The music plays 66 (sixtysix) minutes, not 5 hours. And, no, I don't have a sound system that repeat plays...it si an older Bose system (circa 2000) that plays once and shuts off.
Posted 4/20/2008 12:04 PM (#4509 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: United Kingdom
Mothman Prophecies was fascinating. I dipped into Autobiography of a Yogi today by Paramhansa Yoganand to see if he offered any guidance on this, as he discussed his experiences of bilocation and astral travel. He indicated that some yogic pactices were indeed only taught at the higher esoteric levels. But he died in c.1952, and as indicated elsewhere, the suggestions are that our Age needs all the help it (we) can get; and that need outweighs the concerns about misuse of psychic powers, or the risks to which we might voluntarily expose ourselves.
I agree that the negative forces/vibes/energies we might encounter come from within, and there is nothing to fear, ultimately, but some of us have deeper inner terrors than others perhaps, hence the need for guidance and healing.
I think, as with many things, its a paradox. We are working in our dimension, which we have chosen to do by becoming incarnated. We should not forget the other dimesnions ('in my father's house are many mansions'); so we are what we are, yet we are also what we could be - if we only knew and embraced that fact!
Posted 4/22/2008 4:38 PM (#4556 - in reply to #4548) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: United Kingdom
Thanks Schenn and Tracy, for your wonderful commendations ... ! (UK online feels a long way away, but clearly, that is just another of those necessary illusions)
(or PJ as mruppert nicely referred to me !)
Posted 4/22/2008 7:35 PM (#4558 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Hi Paul: You are not far away at all! I am in the States, but almost all of my friends are in the UK, mainly Bristol. I see and talk to my research associate almost every evening, via Skypeeeee, in Hanham Bristol....er...I am in the Statesel, as Bristollians like to put an l on the end of things...they go to ASDAL, and you go to ASDA, but you all go to Tesco. Hey Paul..you are in London...have you been to Treadwells? I could really grow to love a place like that. For all, Treadwells is an esoteric book shoppe, and I use that spelling in a very direct sense. Walk in and you are mired in things metaphysical....it could have well been a prop in the Harry Potter movies. And the lectures.....omg!!!!!!!!
Peace, Marty and awl la-de-dah Cats, Lucky, Poppster, and the Sisssss
Posted 4/23/2008 5:52 AM (#4568 - in reply to #14) Subject: RE: Astral Projection (Out Of Body Experiences, OBEs)
Location: United Kingdom
Hellor Marty, I do not know Treadwells (do you know where it is please?), but I know Mysteries near Four Dials, and Watkins, Cecil Court, both with excellent esoteric stock. I actaully work for the Methodist church (www.wlm.org.uk), but in a professional social work capacity and am not a Methodist, though my UMS leanings create an interesting dynamic. Your ether-net contacts well describe the way in which technology has manifested the powers of consiousness in the material world (eg, distant materialisation through webcam, etc). Another fascinating paradox, although the technology is dependent on industrialisation, work-slavery and earth exploitation, whereas consciousness just Is. In that sense they are also perhaps a good example of the way in which this dimension/world/reality is a mirror image of the Eternal Self/World/Heaven/Bliss ....
I read a story about a Native American elder who was told that man had landed on the moon, who replied, 'oh that's nothing, my grandfather [a shaman] went there many times' !!